Dishonored: Definitive Edition review thread

We know almost nothing about it. It's called the Void Engine, and it's based off of Id Tech, which has me somewhat hopeful Dishonored 2 can be locked 60fps like Wolfenstein, Rage, and Doom.
 
I disliked Dishonored. Felt fundamentally flawed... Stealth games should build in a need to stealth, an incentive, a reward for stealthng-- Beyond stealth being its own reward. I just couldn't make myself sneak through the game because killing everyone head on was so excessively simple. So the game felt like kind of an average FPS with a bunch of stealth features that felt unnecessary, but you could do for the hell of it if you felt like it for some reason.

A good example of a great stealth game is alien isolation, where being discovered doesn't always mean death, but you really really don't want to be discovered.
 
Spicypirateface said:
Really? Was it?

Look its not a bad game, I owned it and played it - the aesthetic is awesome, the story-telling was okay and the stealth was fun but this "remaster" is clearly an advertisement for the upcoming game. This shit needs to stop.

I maintain that any remaster that comes out, during this generation, is filler.
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What a selfish opinion this really is!

So a company shouldn’t spend a little amount of money getting a team (Normally not the main one or in house either) to port over a game to new consoles for people who either want to play it again on a new system or for people who never got round to playing it in the first place, all while expanding your potential audience for the sequel?

And so what if they are advertising their new game, are you forced to buy it? Does it take away vast amounts of resources from teams who would make new games? Does people who havent played it before for whatever reason deserve to never get the chance to play it without buying other systems? The answer to all those is No!
 
Jobbs said:
I disliked Dishonored. Felt fundamentally flawed... Stealth games should build in a need to stealth, an incentive, a reward for stealthng-- Beyond stealth being its own reward. I just couldn't make myself sneak through the game because killing everyone head on was so excessively simple. So the game felt like kind of an average FPS with a bunch of stealth features that felt unnecessary, but you could do for the hell of it if you felt like it for some reason.

A good example of a great stealth game is alien isolation, where being discovered doesn't always mean death, but you really really don't want to be discovered.
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It's not supposed to be a full stealth game, contrary to Alien, which is a survivor horror game.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
I look forward to getting it on Games with Gold in about a year, right before Dishonored 2 hits.
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Bingo. This will be a GFG and PLUS offering a month before the second installment releases. Will pick it up then. Lack of 60fps just kills the hype for me. I played the crap out of the original so no need to spend any money on this.
 
Dirtyshubb said:
So a company shouldn’t spend a little amount of money getting a team (Normally not the main one or in house either) to port over a game to new consoles for people who either want to play it again on a new system or for people who never got round to playing it in the first place, all while expanding your potential audience for the sequel?
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They absolutely should do that, but they shouldn't charge $40 for it, they shouldn't call it the "Definitive Edition" and they shouldn't advertise that its enhanced graphics are going to "take full advantage" of the hardware it's running on.
 
spectator said:
They absolutely should do that, but they shouldn't charge $40 for it, they shouldn't call it the "Definitive Edition" and they shouldn't advertise that it's enhanced graphics are going to "take full advantage" of the hardware it's running on.
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Thankyou for putting what I was thinking into words.

GTAV, Metro, TLOU etc have set a benchmark for what should be expected of these remakes/remasters. I'm not saying that they all have to hit those heights but when one falls miles short, as in this case and in Prototype's case, they absolutely deserve to be called out on it. It's an insult to the people who will spend their money on it.

jorgejjvr said:
Woah those two games for 19.99, are they good??
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Metro 2033 Redux is the better of the two, but they are both really good.
 
So my local gamestop has 1 copy of metro in Stock, new, told them to hold it. It's 19.99 and I have a $25 gift card from them I have yet to use. Two free games basically
 
Bought the vanilla game for cheap on a Steam sale once, but haven't played it since then as I don't really game much on PC. Would the remaster be worth it, or should I just play the PC version?

Laptop specs: Intel i5-4200U, GT 750M 4 GB VRAM.
 
Yep, port could've been way better, but the PS4 version runs decently (smooth 30FPS), upgraded visuals and textures, and is definitely worth it for $20 if you haven't played the original (or the DLC, which is great). Haven't noticed screen-tearing past the opening few minutes, if it's there it's minimal.

Would've been amazing at locked 60FPS and a little graphical love though. That really is a shame.
 
I don't think lazy is accurate, it's fairer to say cheap. No doubt the individuals working on it worked hard, it's simply that to do a better port would have required a bigger team or more time, and management (ie Bethesda) decided that it was not worth the expenditure.
 
Akif said:
Bought the vanilla game for cheap on a Steam sale once, but haven't played it since then as I don't really game much on PC. Would the remaster be worth it, or should I just play the PC version?

Laptop specs: Intel i5-4200U, GT 750M 4 GB VRAM.
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The 750m has 4 gigs of VRAM? Damn.
 
LewieP said:
I don't think lazy is accurate, it's fairer to say cheap. No doubt the individuals working on it worked hard, it's simply that to do a better port would have required a bigger team or more time, and management (ie Bethesda) decided that it was not worth the expenditure.
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Except its a PC port. they have the assets and the art from that version which has been well established as running 1080/60 on hardware thats inferior to current gen consoles. Porting it should be utterly straightforward.

I'm just baffled by it. The only excuse I'd give them is that they had less than 3-4 months to do it. In which case the publisher is to blame for being a bunch of money-grubbing shitheads.
 
RealityCheque said:
Except its a PC port. they have the assets and the art from that version which has been well established as running 1080/60 on hardware thats inferior to current gen consoles. Porting it should be utterly straightforward.

I'm just baffled by it. The only excuse I'd give them is that they had less than 3-4 months to do it. In which case the publisher is to blame for being a bunch of money-grubbing shitheads.
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Console optimization is a process that requires an amount of man hours. There is no "Make a really good console port" button.

I agree that it is baffling that they didn't do a better job. I blame the management, not "laziness" of any individuals working on it.
 
One of the problems I had with Dishonored was that the stealth gameplay was basically broken with Blink (especially because you pretty much stop time when trying to use it).

On top of that there was the fact that non stealth gameplay was where you could be most creative and where the game was at its best, primarily because of the abilities and equipment that you had, most of which were geared towards a non stealth style.
 
aeolist said:
oh thank god

i didn't follow the e3 news, have they said whether it uses dynamic lighting this time?
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Not to my knowledge. My guess would be that Arkane/Bethesda won't to dive into the "What's new?" of things until it lifts the curtain on actual gameplay.
 
jorgejjvr said:
Are these the two only games in the series?

So this > dishonored?
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We only meant that Metro Redux is far superior technically, a lot more effort was put into it and yea, it looks much better and runs twice as good.

If you are asking about quality, I liked Dishonored more personally, I liked the stealth gameplay and the freedom it offered, it is an awesome game, that's just me though, games are different, Metro is more like a good fps campaign, i enjoyed it but it's not my type of genre generally, if you like fps than it's a no brainer, a very quality remaster there.
 
With regards to the 60fps debate a in depth technical knowledge would be helpful here. How much work is it to make a 30 fps console game a 60fps game? A £14.99 release forgives a lot in my opinion and so it seems unfair to compare it to Tomb Raider/The Last of Us/GTA that retailed for a lot more. A small team, a small remaster... makes sense to me.
 
Surface of Me said:
Someone told me it's Medium PC settings, which is disappointing if true. Most modern PCs should run it pretty well by now.
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I5 759 and HD5850 (both OCed but stil...)

1080p mostly locked at 60fps with high settings, depending on the part of the game I could even throw in some AA
 
RealityCheque said:
In which case the publisher is to blame for being a bunch of money-grubbing shitheads.
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Ding ding ding. Bethesda is a garbage publisher. Just look at Arkane and Human Head, where they attempted to force both studios to sell out to them by cooking the books on milestones/cash payments/loans.

Of course every publisher is varying levels of evil to their serfs (err, development studios) so as much as I'm disappointed in this port at least once it hits 10-20 bucks it'll be a solid deal. Certainly better then some of the ports we've seen anyway.
 
Hostile_18 said:
With regards to the 60fps debate a in depth technical knowledge would be helpful here. How much work is it to make a 30 fps console game a 60fps game? A £14.99 release forgives a lot in my opinion and so it seems unfair to compare it to Tomb Raider/The Last of Us/GTA that retailed for a lot more. A small team, a small remaster... makes sense to me.
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Aren't they're asking 40$ for it though? that's way to expensive for such a minimal port.

Zombi for example is a very cheap port as well but at least it cost 20$ (+ they didn't call it the Definitive Edition or anything like that, implying it's a direct port and not a remaster, Ubi is way more honest here)
 
Dishonored didn’t feel like a game that was held back by old hardware.
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Could not disagree more with that statement. The game was littered with repetition from identikit NPC character models, through textures and art assets, all of which was a resultant of having to work with aging console hardware limitations.
 
Gurish said:
Aren't they're asking 40$ for it though? that's way to expensive for such a minimal port.

Zombi for example is a very cheap port as well but at least it cost 20$ (+ they didn't call it the Definitive Edition or anything like that, implying it's a direct port and not a remaster, Ubi is way more honest here)
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Yeah that is true for some people, it's just that in the UK at least it was given away as a free ps plus game on the ps3 and people who added it to their account get to upgrade for £14.99. I guess it's not worth the full price entry.
 
Kadayi said:
Could not disagree more with that statement. The game was littered with repetition from identikit NPC character models, through textures and art assets, all of which was a resultant of having to work with aging console hardware limitations.
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You really think so? Textures and art assets are expensive to make. It seems just as likely that it was a budget issue.
 
Hostile_18 said:
Yeah that is true for some people, it's just that in the UK at least it was given away as a free ps plus game on the ps3 and people who added it to their account get to upgrade for £14.99. I guess it's not worth the full price entry.
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quoting you as you mentioned it but maybe others will know too.

how do i get the upgrade for 14.99? like i redeemed it on ps3, its even installed but its still at 29.99 on store. is the upgrade on the ps3 store or something?

thanks in advance
 
This was one of my surprise favorites of the last gen, but after getting platinum and doing all the DLC, I can't really justify the cost in order to do it all over again.
 
I played the game with my Sandy Bridge CPU and 660ti and it ran at 1080p/60fps maxed out basically. PS4/XO owners could have gotten something better and they should have.
 
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