"PC industry is betting big on gamers", Gaming PC hardware >2x revenue console sales
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There are a lot of high end simple design towers out there now that look elegant. The reason is because of the fact that there is too much extreme' shit out there.
Overall PC sales are declining though. That's gotta count for somethings towards the doom.
Its Steam and the crazy backlog. Why buy $60 games on PSN and Xbox when you can get a stack of games during the Steam Sales.
I've had my Steam account since the beginning and yesterday I was curious how much I spent in total. I added it all up and it was about $600 for 100 games... including some silly purchases at the start that I probably wouldn't make now.
But Its the best platform and one where you can replace the hardware and still keep your games.
I've had my Steam account since the beginning and yesterday I was curious how much I spent in total. I added it all up and it was about $600 for 100 games... including some silly purchases at the start that I probably wouldn't make now.
But Its the best platform and one where you can replace the hardware and still keep your games.
Shining Sunshine
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Revenue =/= Consumers
1st Course
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DFC intelligence and their partner OGA (formerly known as PC Gaming Alliance) have been pushing the "PC gaming bigger than consoles" mantra for some time now, but it doesn't seems like their statements hold much ground. If you look at the companies official earning reports consoles still make up the vast majority of their sales.
PC gaming is doing well yes but these reports are dubious as fuck.
PC gaming is doing well yes but these reports are dubious as fuck.
Activision making bank off PC gamers. Would have more respect for that chart if they actually separated platfroms. People generally lump different console platform numbers together to make PC revenue look smaller than what it really is.
So what YOU'RE showing is dubious as well. Tired of seeing revenue information portrayed like this.
BrokenIcarus
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How is it dubious if console platforms are lumped together, when comparing PC to Consoles. PC might be bigger than a single console, but that's now what's being discussed here?
PdotMichael
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What? The charts is just plain proving that PC gaming is just a part of the revenue stream for such companies.
Console sales still carry most of the developments for the big software companies.
slavesnyder
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Would be great to have this translated into units.
Gaming PCs cost 5 times more than a console in average I guess.
Gaming PCs cost 5 times more than a console in average I guess.
Dictator93
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Literally the next article the Verge has posted - "Where are the gaming PCs for grown ups". It's a good little commentary on the situation and again the state of what IFA2015 seems to indicate. I completely agree; I'm not part of the gaudy gamer design fans, and would rather go for something small and minimalistic yet somewhat stylish than bland. Luckily there is a growing push for that kind of thing lately, so hopefully it can become bigger.
There are a lot of high end simple design towers out there now that look elegant. The reason is because of the fact that there is too much extreme' shit out there.
Yeah some of the recent offerings for mitx systems have been nicer than the gamer look. Steam are apparently going to get into the business of 3d printing customised shells, so hopefully there is an opportunity there to see some PC case designs that are more simple or elegant than the usual gamer stuff. There are a few companies doing the less gaudy PC cases, but not enough.
Congrats on not reading the article. The information is not from the sources you mention and is specifically about gaming hardware market revenue - not game sales.
Langdon Alger
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This isn't too bad looking:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-de...lack/3793186.p?id=1219601639284&skuId=3793186
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I'm talking about the nvidia chart.
Top of the line PC gaming hardware is considerably more expensive than console hardware. The revenue being only twice as high as that of consoles means that there are far fewer PC gamers. Which also explains why for the most part large game companies concentrate on console versions and put less effort in PC releases.
I still don't get it how's that the myth, you easily can spend two times that, my PC cost me around 1200€ with VAT (about $1500) and it's not even the best one available, it's, let's say, better than average: i7, GTX 760, 8GM RAM, nothing special.
You people keep forgetting that prices vary a lot in the world and $1500 isn't even close to enough in some parts of the world to get a good gaming PC, it's probably true for very small part of the world that is US, tho, not sure.
edited: to be fair, you can't buy a console here for $300 either, because VAT, but it's still cheapest way to game, even if not most convenient one.
There are over 100 million active steam accounts and that's not even the entire PC gaming population. Not every PC gamer needs to own a high end rig, 400-600$ entry PC's with 750ti or 950ti that can outperform a PS4 in games like Mad Max are becoming more and more common.
Daylight robbery. But "buying" a gaming PC is often a waste of money, better build it and carefully select parts.
There are not 100 million unique Steam users.
I'll take a wild guess that you don't have a source for that but are happy to state it anyway?
So your explanation is that the majority are dupe accounts for games like CSGO for example? Do you have hard data to back that claim? Taking into account that there might as well be hundreds of dupes on PSN and XBL as well, I would know I probably have five PSN accounts.
I have a source for my claim do you?
http://steamspy.com/
I totally agree with daylight robbery part
How could you possibly know?
You can easily spend that much but that you don't have to.
The myth is that the $1500 pc is the minimum entry requirements for decent gaming when really it is a lot lower.
I mean I could buy a £10000 platinum and jewelled PS4 but that doesn't mean that the entry price for a ps4 is £10000
This is inaccurate. Most people spend $700-$1K on hardware. Top of the line is minimum $1700 and is hardly reflective of the average pc gamer. You conclusion is right but your initial premise had a flaw.
oh I get that, but what's the point even do PC gaming if you go with minimum reqs PC, that only seems viable solution, it totally isn't, it's like wanting the fastest possible way to commute and having hundreds of fast options but then choosing a bike or walking, makes no sense whatsoever.
And as I said my PC is not special in any way, I don't see what platinum and jewelled hyperbole has to do with my post.
yurinka
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If we compare "PC gaming hardware" to console hardware revenue then we must include all the revenue from TV sales inside console hardware revenue.
In addition to that, I'd like to see the source of this PC hardware numbers because as I know there isn't any public numbers to calculate it and covers thousands of companies.
In addition to that, I'd like to see the source of this PC hardware numbers because as I know there isn't any public numbers to calculate it and covers thousands of companies.
It has been reported that the highest number of concurrent users was ~9 million a few months ago. That's pretty good evidence for Steam having less than 100 million unique users.
Lanrutcon
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Apart from the fact that you don't have to have Steam running for certain games, and don't even have to be online for most of them at all.
as you have been told many times, you don't know that, nobody knows. And get your facts straight, it was registered above 10 million already.
proof
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
So you expect around 100 million users to play at the same time? Do you believe that those 9 million users are the same? No one ever goes offline? That they're not interchangeable?
How on earth do you call that evidence? That's speculation at best, even then it hardly holds up.
Brerlappin
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wut?
PS4 - 400 euro. Gaming PC = 2000 euro?? Are you soft in the head? You can build a kick ass gaming PC for like 600 euro. Go hard on that shit if you want downsampling 60fps in everything for 800 euro, tops.
4 x the price of a console would get you a PC you can make bloody pixar movies on
Agreed, although there are many good cases to choose from so I don't see the big deal. For example, I use this case, which is amazing.
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You really believe the numbers should be higher in concurrent users considering a global service with all sorts of level of user frequency? Take a look at any concurrent user figures vs their total unique users / total active accounts / total accounts. This is the norm.
Gipsy Danger
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Out of interest does anyone have information on max concurrent vs. total registered users for either of the console manufacturers? Probably not but I imagine the numbers would be similar if not less for the consoles.
I would expect more than 10% of the users to use the service concurrently, yes.
So since you seem to believe that the amount of active accounts = the number of unique users, do you have anything to back this up?
you can't, no way, in no EU country is this possible that I know of, 980 alone costs ~600, 970 ~400, unless you mean that kick ass PC is a videocard alone.
Burden of proof is on the accuser, and yet all your throwing is baseless speculation based on your obvious platform bias instead of hard data. Steamspy says over 100 million active users, where's your proof?
Brerlappin
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Well then prepare to be shocked because i spent under 1k euro on a 970, i7 4770k, 16GB ram, and high quality MOBO/Case/PSU
I hate to tell you but if you spent 1200 eu on a 760 and 8GB ram, i can only assume you got a prebuild and got absolutely ripped off for it.
I just specced out a PC for my brother that is PS4 quality for 500 euro. Its not top of the line but it will be comprable/outperform next gen consoles in alot of titles. Its more expensive than a PS4, but its also a case of buying Mad Max for him on GMG for 30 euro as opposed to 75 euro on PS4 in Gamestop.
Lanrutcon
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This. You can run those games on a goddamn calculator and still enjoy them.
Such nonsense...
Hell, that certainly isn't the case for consoles... The Xbox 360 reported 2 million concurrent users at a time where it's instlal base was at 35+ million. That's about 6%.
It always takes a thread about how well PC gaming is doing to bring the console fanboys out of the woodwork. My ignore list is growing.
Fatmanp
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If we are speaking of 1080/60fps as the target performance of the PC you can pick up a PC that will do this now and for the next few years for around £600-£700. YOu also have to take into account that the consoles cannot do 1080/60 in most of it's games.
I understand that this is more expensive than a console but now go out and buy 5-10 new games of your choice on both platforms. Which one is cheaper?
I understand that this is more expensive than a console but now go out and buy 5-10 new games of your choice on both platforms. Which one is cheaper?
I wasn't ripped off, I know prices here quite well, and we never have any significant discounts or deals on hardware, unless it's old and unrequired. Importing doesn't work either, import taxes make it even more expensive than buying locally. I can appreciate that your situation can be different, but it doesn't mean it applies to everybody, because it doesn't.
BTW videocards are so expensive lately that it's outrageous, anything with more than 2GB VRAM - prices double it would seem, disgusting really.
It's worst time possible to build a PC, because prices rose unreasonably when euro dropped and stays there.
PdotMichael
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Well, I don't think that anyone would deny that. F2P and low-pc targeted games are the big hits on PC.
Maybe people forget that the big PC markets are often second world countries where a mid-range GPU on NeoGAF is the monthly income of an average guy there.
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