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[Victarion]

There's plenty of stuff to do in the game but I can't go back to it. I can't help but feel cheated after that ending.

 

[Aurongel]

I got a lame rain scene with Quiet and that was it before the twist/ending.

What's this other Quiet ending exactly?

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

How incomprehensible is it to someone who is unfamiliar with its predecessors?

I played about 20 minutes of the first Witcher, and about half of the Witcher 2, although I had completely forgotten most of it by the time I played 3, and I was more than fine. The game has some issues but the stories throughout the game are mostly done really well so it's definitely worth a play. You'll be surprised how much story content it has. It really does show that an open world game can have a good story.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Skull Face's relationship with Venom Boss and his phantom haunting him are definitely planned plot threads that never came to fruition for one reason or another. Unlike others I liked the hammy comic villain that he was - Volgin was also a hammy comic book villain and the prequel games seem to thrive on that - but there's something to him that was hinted at in marketing and very briefly in gameplay the one time we see his ghost that insinuated a deep parallel to V that really never happened in game.

 

[JeffZero]

There's plenty of stuff to do in the game but I can't go back to it. I can't help but feel cheated after that ending.

Totally. Nothing kills a game for me like a narrative I detest. When it comes to franchises I've fallen in love for this stuff, in any case.

EDIT:

I played about 20 minutes of the first Witcher, and about half of the Witcher 2, although I had completely forgotten most of it by the time I played 3, and I was more than fine. The game has some issues but the stories throughout the game are mostly done really well so it's definitely worth a play. You'll be surprised how much story content it has. It really does show that an open world game can have a good story.

Thanks.

 

[ElFly]

Part of the reason I don't like the "the player *is* Big Boss, it's your legend too!" is that Kojima devoted an entire game to saying "please don't think that you're a legendary video game character just because you played as him, live your own life."





(I also don't like the rationalization of Big Boss never seeming that bad in newer games as "well Big Boss was only supposed to be evil because of Patriots propaganda" when that doesn't even make sense in-universe. The one who actually discovered that Big Boss had "turned evil" was Snake himself, and he was devastated by it and went into retirement for years, and then killed him "for real" years later and once again disappeared; both times the missions were top secret. When Big Boss's Cold War files got declassified (by The Patriots) between 2 and 4, everyone is talking about him and emulating his CQC techniques and whatnot, while Old Snake is still pissed enough at Big Boss that he had quit using CQC until then and was only using it now begrudgingly. That doesn't sound like a guy who was tricked by propaganda, that's a guy whose views of Big Boss's rather shitty morality come directly from personal experience.)

I don't think neither MGS4 nor TPP rationalize Outer Heaven or Zanzibar Land as good acts.

 

[Mooreberg]

Mission 43 and 46 make up for the relative lack of preceding cutscenes. The structure of the game became slightly strange after mission 31, with core story stuff being side ops (I know, they did it with Huey before) and repeat missions being part of the main mission list. But when I finally saw what was really going on, I realized how close I was to figuring it out on day one when I posted this on P1P forum:

Opening of the game is quite surreal. In part because it has been almost three years since they first showed some of that stuff off, and partly because there is so much going with the character creation, face bandages, and metal shards in the cerebal cortex that I wasn't entirely sure who the real character was until the ending portion of the prologue

That is one hell of a call back, even if the path there had some redundancy to it. Makes the end of MGS4 a hell of a lot more logical too. If Konami does anything going forward, it should just be 3D remakes of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2. MGS V was the right way to conclude a series.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I don't think neither MGS4 nor TPP rationalize Outer Heaven or Zanzibar Land as good acts.

I'm not talking about the games themselves, I'm talking about the argument I've seen that the lack of any concrete or plausible heel turn for Big Boss is because he was never that bad to begin with.

 

[potatohead]

So if I start over and use the butterfly emblem, I'll still get an ending, but not the "real ending", and I can keep Quiet and keep doing missions and stuff?

Would I still unlock stuff like the Leather Jacket, and other costumes?

I got the real ending and never let Quiet leave. Quiet has nothing to do with the real ending anyway, so it doesn't matter if she stays or not.

As long as you don't start Side Op 150 Quiet never has to leave either.

I also have the Leather Jacket costume.

The only certain requirement I know for the real ending is Huey leaving mother base after the trial.

I also never got the Paz dream sequence stuff.

 

[Prototype]

I got the real ending and never let Quiet leave. Quiet has nothing to do with the real ending anyway, so it doesn't matter if she stays or not.

As long as you don't start Side Op 150 Quiet never has to leave either.

I also have the Leather Jacket costume.

The only certain requirement I know for the real ending is Huey leaving mother base after the trial.

I also never got the Paz dream sequence stuff.

Oh shit, so having her or not has no effect on the real ending. Her leaving is literally just a side story and can choose to complete or not?

 

[Love Deterrence]

Oh shit, so having her or not has no effect on the real ending. Her leaving is literally just a side story and can choose to complete or not?

 

[SolVanderlyn]

I'm not talking about the games themselves, I'm talking about the argument I've seen that the lack of any concrete or plausible heel turn for Big Boss is because he was never that bad to begin with.

They definitely do imply this to an extent post-MGS3, but he was still a bad guy. I don't think they went full misunderstood hero with him - he's more empathetic than the two dimensional evil traitor he was prior to MGS3, but still a villain. I think the intent was to humanize him and show how the clone Snakes could have come from this guy, but it doesn't come off perfectly because of how hesitant they are to show Boss doing bad things while under the player's control.

I don't feel like him going against The Patriots really dampens his bad guy status. The Patriots are clearly also bad, but Boss wasn't any better.

 

[Cathcart]

People need to stop saying this game explains how BB survives MG1, it's revealed he survived at the end of the game itself, he never died in the first place.

The real BB was the one calling him at the end of MG.

 

[MMarston]

I got a lame rain scene with Quiet and that was it before the twist/ending.

What's this other Quiet ending exactly?

Well you're in the SPOILER THREAD soooooo....

Quiet leaves MB at some point because she herself has the English strain and fears it's effects due to the 43 shenanigans (also because a good chunk of MB still treats her like shit anyway)

But V Snake is all like "Nuuuuuuuuuuuu but i laaaaaaaav her" and goes after her. Okay, that's not necessarily true at all, but given that the game seems to try a bit too hard to make SnakeXQuiet a thing (especially with that rain scene), let's face it. Thus, triggering Side Op 150/Mission 45

Snake finds Quiet held prisoner by glorius Soviet Russia - extremely fucking unbalanced tank shenanigans ensue.

 

[potatohead]

Skull Face's relationship with Venom Boss and his phantom haunting him are definitely planned plot threads that never came to fruition for one reason or another. Unlike others I liked the hammy comic villain that he was - Volgin was also a hammy comic book villain and the prequel games seem to thrive on that - but there's something to him that was hinted at in marketing and very briefly in gameplay the one time we see his ghost that insinuated a deep parallel to V that really never happened in game.

I don't mind Skullface either, it was a cool enemy for the game.

The phantom enemy for the phantom hero, it fits in with the game perfectly.

My problem with MGS5 still remains though that it's presentation was not that great in story and delivering a narrative. There's some choice very good scenes for the characters (but it's still fucking weird that Venom Snake says nothing to Skullface in that monologue lmao).

But the rest..... it doesn't compare to previous MGS games. They were able to build up characters on a level far beyond any character building in MGS5.

Comparing Volgin to Skullface.... Volgin is a far more fleshed out "evil dude" and even has those comical aspects of that homosexual fantasy behaviour with "Raiden" which is absolutely hilarious.

There's just so many more layers that bring the stories and universes to life in previous games that is just painfully absent in this one.

MGS5 is a great game, but it only feels as just that, whereas I always have held MGS1/2/3 as experiences that are so much greater than their game aspects.

Love MGS5, but it's simply not as good as the other ones for me.

 

[potatohead]

Oh shit, so having her or not has no effect on the real ending. Her leaving is literally just a side story and can choose to complete or not?

Yep exactly. Entering Side Op 150 guarantees you lose Quiet as a buddy. And there's no way to exit it. But you never have to enter it.

Also if you have the Butterfly emblem equipped (or her relationship not maxed I think) the Side Op shouldn't even open anway.

This is my Emblem (PC version that's why it's 1440p)

 

[The Silver]

The real BB was the one calling him at the end of MG.

I'm talking about it in the context of MG1, he never died, Venom didn't exist then.

Venom does not explain how BB died twice because in the context of those games he never died in MG1, he was injured and became a cyborg. MGSV retcons it all.

 

[TheStruggler]

There's plenty of stuff to do in the game but I can't go back to it. I can't help but feel cheated after that ending.

yeah I think may need a few days away to get back into it, MGS has been my franchise ever since I was a kid, though my first metal gear game was metal gear solid 1, I fell in love with the franchise. I even liked mgs4, disliked the nanomachines thing but felt it least had a solid foundation somewhat. This phantom big boss I feel takes a shit on the legend of big boss and makes it nothing but smoke and mirrors, I really REALLY wanted to see big boss turn this game, and see him start to go mad and his psyche be effected as well. I wanted to slowly see a broken and sick man become a demon, all I feel I got was a fraud.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

I'm talking about it in the context of MG1, he never died, Venom didn't exist then.

Venom does not explain how BB died twice because in the context of those games he never died in MG1, he was injured and became a cyborg. MGSV retcons it all.

Wait...

Does this mean BB became a cyborg just because? There's the real missing link

 

[Kevin Shields]

Just saw ending. Holy crap. Kojima has some balls. I love it. Dumb making me replay mission or I should have played as Ishmael. However I was into it, and was smiling while the man who sold the world played. Confused as crap but I like it...



Ishida, what in the hell in this was worst than Meryl and Johnny?? just messin with ya



Can someone explain Zero's involvement in this... Confused about that.

 

[Basketball]

How awesome would it be to just skydive out of the acc like in the beginning of 3 instead of having to see the same helo entrance every time

 

[KarmaCow]

Just saw ending. Holy crap. Kojima has some balls. I love it. Dumb making me replay mission or I should have played as Ishmael. However I was into it, and was smiling while the man who sold the world played. Confused as crap but I like it...



Ishida, what in the hell in this was worst than Meryl and Johnny?? just messin with ya



Can someone explain Zero's involvement in this... Confused about that.

You should have had some tapes after that mission that go over it.

 

[Nairume]

People need to stop saying this game explains how BB survives MG1, it's revealed he survived at the end of the game itself, he never died in the first place.

I would say there's still the issue of Miller telling Solid Snake near the end of MG2 that Big Boss surviving Outer Heaven caused him to have to get cybernetic implants to replace limbs and various organs, suggesting Snake was fighting the same Big Boss both times.

But then TPP also makes it clear that Miller is a jackass, so he was probably just lying to Snake the whole time.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

How incomprehensible is it to someone who is unfamiliar with its predecessors?

FWIW, I played none of the predecessors. I think I read the Kotaku and USGamer primers which took me maybe a half hour to do and I felt like I was fine with the game.

 

[TheStruggler]

I don't mind Skullface either, it was a cool enemy for the game.

The phantom enemy for the phantom hero, it fits in with the game perfectly.

My problem with MGS5 still remains though that it's presentation was not that great in story and delivering a narrative. There's some choice very good scenes for the characters (but it's still fucking weird that Venom Snake says nothing to Skullface in that monologue lmao).

But the rest..... it doesn't compare to previous MGS games. They were able to build up characters on a level far beyond any character building in MGS5.

Comparing Volgin to Skullface.... Volgin is a far more fleshed out "evil dude" and even has those comical aspects of that homosexual fantasy behaviour with "Raiden" which is absolutely hilarious.

There's just so many more layers that bring the stories and universes to life in previous games that is just painfully absent in this one.

MGS5 is a great game, but it only feels as just that, whereas I always have held MGS1/2/3 as experiences that are so much greater than their game aspects.

Love MGS5, but it's simply not as good as the other ones for me.

I am remembering back to when i played mgs3 for the first time, what a game and what an age. I was in junior high but MGS3 still remains my fav mostly due to the characters. The bosses themselves werent fleshed out as much as say 1-2 but they were still good, however Volgin alone made mgs3 for me and he terrified the living fuck out of me. He was a complete sadist and an asshole who did whatever the fuck he wanted. The scene where he is beating Granin to death is still one of my favs but scared the shit out of me, i remembering saying to myself "now this is a villain". Seeing Skullface at first it gave me vibes of Volgin and made me think he will be a better anatagnist then Volgin. Boy was I wrong, I was never scared of Skullface, I never feared him, when he was killed I didnt even feel anything when compared to how Volgin died. After seeing Volgin remade in the fox engine, I had feelings of being whole and wanting to see mgs3 remade with the fox engine, imagine an open world jungle russia, with the new gameplay elements involved.

 

[Prototype]

Yep exactly. Entering Side Op 150 guarantees you lose Quiet as a buddy. And there's no way to exit it. But you never have to enter it.

Also if you have the Butterfly emblem equipped (or her relationship not maxed I think) the Side Op shouldn't even open anway.

This is my Emblem (PC version that's why it's 1440p)

damn, I really like my emblem, so it sucks that I'll have to incorporate a butterfly into it somehow, but I'llmake it work.

I guess it's time to start a new file then.

 

[ponpo]

The best is killing someone in an FOB and seeing a butterfly emblem.

LET HER GO.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Wait...

Does this mean BB became a cyborg just because? There's the real missing link

That whole thing is weird.

Big Boss being a cyborg is an odd radio call in MG2 because I still can't tell if it's serious (it even has a weird mistake like saying that Big Boss lost his eye at Outer Heaven, when he was missing it in the original game), or whether it was simply meant to be a wink and a nod to Snatcher and Snake's Revenge (where Big Boss also survived MG1 via cybernetics and then... turns into a giant robot that you blow up by placing mines because the soles of his feet aren't armored...).


I know a lot of people assumed the latter because of the tech curve in later games doesn't support that level of prosthetic tech in the late 90s, but then PW and MGSV revealed that advanced viable cybernetics existed in the 1970s and 80s. They unintentionally cleared up any doubts, and then made the whole thing moot by introducing a body double.

 

[213372bu]

If you guys have the PC version why are you using the emblem?

It's far better if you finish that loose end and just mod her back in, lol.

 

[ponpo]

lol

We want the splatoon audience

 

[MMarston]

lol

I've seen enough MGS hentai

 

[Nairume]

That whole thing is weird.

Big Boss being a cyborg is an odd radio call in MG2 because I still can't tell if it's serious (it even has a weird mistake like saying that Big Boss lost his eye at Outer Heaven, when he was missing it in the original game), or whether it was simply meant to be a wink and a nod to Snatcher and Snake's Revenge (where Big Boss also survived MG1 via cybernetics and then... turns into a giant robot that you blow up by placing mines because the soles of his feet aren't armored...).


I know a lot of people assumed the latter because of the tech curve in later games doesn't support that level of prosthetic tech in the late 90s, but then PW and MGSV revealed that advanced viable cybernetics existed in the 1970s and 80s. They unintentionally cleared up any doubts, and then made the whole thing moot by introducing a body double.

I think the takeaway in that is that Miller was being Miller and keeping things from Snake for ~reasons~

 

[potatohead]

If you guys have the PC version why are you using the emblem?

It's far better if you finish that loose end and just mod her back in, lol.

But I <3 her.

If she even left me once it would break my </3.

She's my new waifu, like Cecil is my waifu from Peace Walker.

 

[213372bu]

But I <3 her.

If she even left me once it would break my </3.

She's my new waifu, like Cecil is my waifu from Peace Walker.

But Fox/Foxhound emblems parts are the real waifus.

 

[MMarston]

But I <3 her.

If she even left me once it would break my </3.

She's my new waifu, like Cecil is my waifu from Peace Walker.

lol she's the one PW person who never got brought up again in TPP.

Given that most of the PW peeps suffered sad horrible fates, I assumed she was killed due to DUI.

 

[KarmaCow]

The best is killing someone in an FOB and seeing a butterfly emblem.

LET HER GO.

I honestly haven't used Quiet in over 20 hours but I want her for taking over outposts for emblem parts.

I should probably just do mission 45 at this point.

 

[potatohead]

lol she's the one PW person who never got brought up again in TPP.

Given that most of the PW peeps suffered sad horrible fates, I assumed she was killed due to DUI.

Filthy lies!

She moved to back to France..... I think.

 

[MMarston]

Filthy lies!

She moved to back to France..... I think.

Sure, but my point still stands.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

lol

We want the splatoon audience

Decoy Octopus was Quiet?

Knew it

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Miller is the best thing to come out of Peace Walker. He feels so organically MGS, if that makes any sense. He's not a super weird out there character or a caricature ("look at me, I am foreign" - half of PW's cast) but he still has his own quirks to him. Making him look and sound like Liquid but just different enough for it to be a coincidence was a nice touch, too. His character development in TPP was one of my favorite things to watch unfold.

He supposedly had a good relationship with Solid later on, but maybe that was more one sided on Solid's part... he obviously some things from him. Maybe he thought he just didn't need to know?

 

[Palpable]

There's plenty of stuff to do in the game but I can't go back to it. I can't help but feel cheated after that ending.

Yeah, that was how I felt. I'm still trying to platinum the game, though. It's a grind.

 

[Wagram]

The twist was fine, but the story doesn't do a satisfactory job of telling why Big Boss or Venom Snake end up doing some of the dirty stuff they do in MG1 + MG2.

 

[Palpable]

The twist was fine

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I think the takeaway in that is that Miller was being Miller and keeping things from Snake for ~reasons~

It actually wasn't Miller who said that to Snake, it was this other guy who was a legendary mercenary who was never mentioned again in the series despite looking like a total badass.

 

[Nairume]

It actually wasn't Miller who said that to Snake, it was this other guy who was a legendary mercenary who was never mentioned again in the series despite looking like a total badass.

Oh, that's right. Kasler is the one that does the boss fight tips

Miller remains useless

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

The twist was fine, but the story doesn't do a satisfactory job of telling why Big Boss or Venom Snake end up doing some of the dirty stuff they do in MG1 + MG2.

I'm just going to assume that was one of the major reasons for the Kojima/Konami blow out. Him wanting to finish the game and them saying NO which ended up getting chapters 3 4 and 5 axed and kojima thrown in a hole to keep him quiet.

At this point I can see him saying to Konami, take my name off the game's cover because my game isn't finished.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

George Kasler: Big Boss... There's not a mercenary in the world who hasn't heard of him. He's like a god, a living legend.

Solid Snake: I already know all that! I need new information!

Kasler: OK, OK... but this is only a rumor, understand? Three years ago, when Outer Heaven fell, Big Boss was seriously wounded. He almost died... He lost both hands, both feet, his right eye, and his right ear. But somehow... he survived. Then an Eastern bloc despot took an interest in him. Probably couldn't resist getting his hands on a soldier of Big Boss's caliber. They decided to use Big Boss as a guinea pig in Madnar's snatcher project. I don't know the details, but apparently it involved turning him into a cyborg. Now he's half man and half machine. Hard to believe, I know. But if it is true, Snake, you're way out of your league. None of your current techniques are going to so much as put a scratch on him. Snake... give it up... There's no way you can win this time... Over and out.

I guess people saw V's hand and horn and started spreading rumors. Obvious retcon but it works with the way the lore is presented.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

It would have been fine if we got more story along with it. Kojima thanking the players in his own way is touching, but at the same time you gotta deliver on bridging the gap between game entries, especially when the marketing yells at us like it will connect all the threads

 

[Menteith]

With all the unnecessary bullshit which was brought up in the game story wise I actually wonder why Kojima didn't pull out this relationship...

 

[Aurongel]

For some reason I feel kinda gross and weird going back and playing as Venom this soon after the ending revelation. The abruptness of the twist and the depressing vacuum of the second chapter really make it hard to jump back in right away to keep playing.

The twist feels like such a gross cheat that undermines whatever character development they were working on up to that point. I've been in the dark for the past two weeks and just started reading up on reactions to it but this sounds pretty common.