and Tim Dog: http://rectifygaming.com/community-article-neogaf-its-bias-by-tim-dog/
On topic: would love to have it on Xbox One including cross-platform. Sadly, it doesn't seem like it's ever going to happen.
Phil Spencer Discusses Why FFXIV Isn't on Xbox (Contradictions?)
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and Tim Dog: http://rectifygaming.com/community-article-neogaf-its-bias-by-tim-dog/
On topic: would love to have it on Xbox One including cross-platform. Sadly, it doesn't seem like it's ever going to happen.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
It's funny, Microsoft/Mojang just released a humorous visual-novel on Mojang's Blog that promotes Cross-Platform play. It's about a Windows device going to high school and socialising with other devices like iOS and Android. Seriously play it!
What the hell is Spencer saying? This goes against what Satya and the new Microsoft is trying to do.
PC and iOS/Android devices, not on other consoles...
travisbickle
Member
So is there really nothing stopping cross-platform play between XB1 and PS4 for 3rd parties?
(except policies of platform holders)
(except policies of platform holders)
You need to be specific, Microsoft are trying to do a lot of things that collides with each other.
Neuromancer
Member
Don't feel bad, Zhuge, he blocked me too. I know for a fact I never insulted him or said anything offensive either. Sometimes it seems that he's only interested in talking to people who agree with him, which is a shame because I think he's a decent guy.Statham blocked me on twitter.... I don't think I've ever followed him or interacted with him on twitter before.
Outrun
Member
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
Oh come on now, they could at least have worked on the grammar for the article's title.
The actual article/blog entry is insane though. It's like a non-condensed version of his bizarre twitter persona.
Heh. People like Timmy Doggy and statham will never cease to amaze me. Seeing adults this passionate about defending anything really is a constant and reliable source of entertainment.
That, or maybe legal issues.
Neuromancer
Member
I posted a sad face in response to his tweet, but he'll never see it because he blocked me.
I finally got this out of my head last week on Twitter and now it's back in because of this. Thanks lol.
Why the fuck you lyin, mmmmm always lyin always fucking lyin
In what country would cross platform play be illegal?
oldergamer
Member
I'm making it sound more simple then it could be, not more complicated. it's more then likely a lot more complicated. Xbox live games wouldn't be able to communicate with PS4 servers unless PS4 servers could decrypt the MS security. MS builds the protection support into Xbox games, where Sony doesn't require it. Ever seen any xbox live games hacked beyond simple things made possible with Cain & Abel?
There's potentially other reasons these have always been separated, I'm sure we could dig them up. But as usual I think nobody here would be interested in investigating. Instead everyone is piling on Phil, without having any information, they are saying he's lying, MS doesn't play nice etc. Hardly anyone here is even suggesting technical limitations being a factor.
Whatever happened to Detective GAF?
I guess they mean contractual legal reasons. But then how is that substantively different from a 'policy' if it's a company created clause causing the issue?
LordBaztion
Member
it is possible to cross platform, actually happened with FFXI on 360/ps2/pc but I think this is MS trying to keep their games in a closed environment, I suppose they don't want to devalue XBL by letting people know that the service or is not that special, they earned they impression XBL is a premier gaming service and I suppose they want to keep that reputation.
Also I guess they approached SE and propose them to have cross play with W10/X1 but SE refused to split the user base, I guess because it's a paid MMO and requires a lot of players to work. Also it would be confusing to have on PC, Xbox enabled servers and PS enabled servers. If MS wanted to dictate the rules for online gaming they shouldn't have fucked up the X1 launch.
oldergamer
Member
No idea what you are talking about. since when was FFXI 360/PS2/& PC?? that combination doesn't make any sense.
Oh ok, I guess that makes sense. I doubt anyone would get sued over it though, if a third party did something they didn't like, I'm sure it wouldn't pass cert and platform holders would just tell them to take a hike if they didn't comply.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
I'll have to remember that one whenever my approach changes drastically within the space of a year.
"I've grown into my current position"
Wow... known console warriors made this thread delicious.
Making nonsensical excuses, denial, and straight up shit talking.
Just let it go. Phil's where he is to cultivate the Xbox brand and generate revenue. I do believe that he may know some of Microsoft's policies are shit, but those higher on the totem poll keep them in place for their own reasons. That doesn't mean the dude can be straight up with the public and out that he feels his employer is in the wrong, though.
Phil's done a lot of good for the brand and that has seemed to generate excitement within the fan base, but his job will always require that he spout some bullshit here and there. Same with Reggie and even with Shu. It's understandably done in the name of protecting their best interests and, on the consumer end, viewing these statements critically serves our best interests.
No one is bashing Xbox/Microsoft nor their fans by saying Phil is lying or being dismissive.
Making nonsensical excuses, denial, and straight up shit talking.
Just let it go. Phil's where he is to cultivate the Xbox brand and generate revenue. I do believe that he may know some of Microsoft's policies are shit, but those higher on the totem poll keep them in place for their own reasons. That doesn't mean the dude can be straight up with the public and out that he feels his employer is in the wrong, though.
Phil's done a lot of good for the brand and that has seemed to generate excitement within the fan base, but his job will always require that he spout some bullshit here and there. Same with Reggie and even with Shu. It's understandably done in the name of protecting their best interests and, on the consumer end, viewing these statements critically serves our best interests.
No one is bashing Xbox/Microsoft nor their fans by saying Phil is lying or being dismissive.
I was looking at how Microsoft is tyring to be more open these days. There push on promoting phones and PC's to work with each other have been great but so far the Xbox Console hasn't had any type of interconnectivity other than Xbox Live mobile games and companion apps.
Xbox have no cross-platform multiplayer games compared to PlayStation and Wii U. If you look at other consoles there is a decent amount of PlayStation and Nintendo games that allow playing with each-other like Pure Chess (Wii U & PSN), Portal (PSN, Steam), Rocket League (PSN & Steam) and FFXIV (PC,PS3 & PS4).
I was also looking at how Microsoft promotes Cross-Platform play with Mobiles and PCs. With games like Minecraft, Age of Empires: Castle Siege and Wordament you can play with iOS and Android players from your Windows based Device.
But so far the Xbox console has been the most loneliest by not allowing cross-play with consoles and devices that are not from the Windows family.
I'm don't follow Microsoft religiously and I have only recently in the last two years been interested in their services and products but from what I understand about Satya's vision is that they're trying to create an inviting ecosystem that also promotes their services on other rivals products.
EDIT: It's why I posted that Mojang game about cross-platform play on mobile devices and I feel it applies to consoles as well. The Xbox console is going to become more irrelevant as games and services expand onto allowing cross-play with each other.
Imagine not having to fork out between choosing a Xbox, PlayStation or PC just because your friends have ties with a certain platform. You could play with your friends and still feel comfortable in your chosen platform thanks to cross-platform play!
So we're posting fan fiction now?
Since the 360 version was released. You could have at least looked that up, but who's interested in investigating am I right?
Outrun
Member
More people should in my opinion.
Instead, we have a fixation on checking post history and thoughts from years ago in attempts to expose individuals as liars and inconsistent.
A year ago we had Bruce Jenner...
Of course, we can use previous statements to test consistency. But I think that the whole argument that the OP is trying to make gets compromised when Spencer states that he cannot speak candidly on the subject.
So whether it is legal, existential, or spiritual reasons, we don't know, and he is not saying....
Neuromancer
Member
He's the top man at Xbox. If he's not responsible for the policies guiding the system who is?
Outrun
Member
Wow... known console warriors made this thread delicious.
Making nonsensical excuses, denial, and straight up shit talking.
Just let it go. Phil's where he is to cultivate the Xbox brand and generate revenue. I do believe that he may know some of Microsoft's policies are shit, but those higher on the totem poll keep them in place for their own reasons. That doesn't mean the dude can be straight up with the public and out that he feels his employer is in the wrong, though.
Phil's done a lot of good for the brand and that has seemed to generate excitement within the fan base, but his job will always require that he spout some bullshit here and there. Same with Reggie and even with Shu. It's understandably done in the name of protecting their best interests and, on the consumer end, viewing these statements critically serves our best interests.
No one is bashing Xbox/Microsoft nor their fans by saying Phil is lying or being dismissive.
Yep,
Calling Spencer a liar is attacking the man's integrity directly....
Outrun
Member
The board has the power to oust CEOs with a simple vote of no-confidence.
There is always a bigger fish.
I'm honestly ignorant to their corporate structure. Microsoft suits don't have a say in Xbox-related policies at all? I always assumed that there was a level of parent company meddling.
Maybe they're not too happy about the Tomb Raider PS4 announcement. It seems like something went wrong here because why would you put down the company that you have a third party exclusivity deal with by making bizarre remarks like these? He has a deal with the same company!
He's the head of the department. He is the suit in question.
He's the head of the department. He is the suit in question.
Can someone please explain the reference behind this?
birthday-suit
Banned
A guy singing why you lyin.
FullmetalPain
Banned
It was because Square didn't want the online user base split up between consoles right?
well fucking done
lighthouse777
Member
Wow... known console warriors made this thread delicious.
Making nonsensical excuses, denial, and straight up shit talking.
Just let it go. Phil's where he is to cultivate the Xbox brand and generate revenue. I do believe that he may know some of Microsoft's policies are shit, but those higher on the totem poll keep them in place for their own reasons. That doesn't mean the dude can be straight up with the public and out that he feels his employer is in the wrong, though.
Phil's done a lot of good for the brand and that has seemed to generate excitement within the fan base, but his job will always require that he spout some bullshit here and there. Same with Reggie and even with Shu. It's understandably done in the name of protecting their best interests and, on the consumer end, viewing these statements critically serves our best interests.
No one is bashing Xbox/Microsoft nor their fans by saying Phil is lying or being dismissive.
but what you are doing is called slander
slander
n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease, or being unable to perform one's occupation are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious, and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much if not more than printed publications. (See: defamation, fair comment)
At lest Yoshi-P is on record of not wanting to split the playerbase being the reason. I'm not sure if he had to defend it to SE.
It would be really cool to see XB1, PS3, PS4, NX, PC, Mac and Linux players all together.
lighthouse777
Member
and is what you are doing any different?
in what you say of another, apply the test of kindness, necessity and truth, and let nothing pass your lips without a 2/3 majority
Ghost Slayer
Member
MS probably want FFXIV for Win10 and Xbone only to promote their ecosystem.
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
Yes. I don't devote the majority of my time to defending my preferred electronics device from mega-corporation #221. So, I can laugh at those who do and feel a (brief) sense of superiority. I mean really, that's what it's all about, isn't it?
Also, are you drunk? What in jesus christ are you even going on about with kindness and slander?
Poop!
Member
Because the game is multi platform the userbase is still split.
Ploid 3.0
Member
No, you can't tell who is playing on what in the game. Ps3 tanks can be in a party with ps4 healers, and pc damage dealers. The players can't really divide themselves much like FFXI. No pc only party finder
In the past all he has said is that it's a matter of company policy. That's it. He hasn't gone into detail to explain it because either he simply can't or just don't want to divulge matters above his paygrade. Maybe he doesn't like it any more than we do and just has to put up with it, or maybe he thinks there are very valid reasons why and he isn't allowed get into it.
Whatever it may be or however he may feel about it, he has said he can't speak too candidly on it. Which is to be expected, because it's Microsoft, one of the largest tech companies in the world.
I'd never expect him or any exec, regardless of platform, to elaborate on any deal anyway unless it was super straightforward, which this evidently isn't.
oral
adjective
1. by word of mouth; spoken rather than written.
"they had reached an oral agreement"
synonyms: spoken, verbal, unwritten, vocal, uttered, said, by mouth, viva voce
"an oral agreement"
2. of or relating to the mouth.
"oral hygiene"
noun
1. a spoken examination or test.
"he was preparing for his orals"
Regardless, it's not. The only (possible) untruth in my post was that Phil adheres to the whims of superiors.
And btw, I'm just messing with you.
It's his job. And he's doing this all the time. Says stuff, but doesn't say anything at all actually.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Neogaf i sometimes hate you. Now that stupid song is in my head.
How so? My group is a mix of players.
I get what you are saying but Microsoft are actually not trying to be more open. Their goal is to get more consumers on their services and the result just happens to make them look more open about their products.
Now on mobile and PC with games like Age of Empires: Castle Siege and Wordament you are in fact using Microsoft's Xbox Live services on Windows, iOS and Android. Now I do not believe that PlayStation are interested in having products that use Xbox Live instead of PSN on their platform.
I don't think Microsoft sees the value of allowing cross-services cross-play when what they are trying to do is get more developers using their services for cross-play on Windows 10 and Xbox One.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
You'll have to explain this one....
Quadraphonic
Member
We've tried in the past to get multi platform multiplayer. MS was what ruined it. They required every username to be tied to a gamer tag. Full stop. Sony and Nintendo were very flexible. MS designed their policies to be a walled garden. Unless your game does everything for the Microsoft passport account,you're fucked.