ShockingAlberto
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Look at Quiet. Do you really think Kojima cared about anything other than straight men playing this game?
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Look at Quiet. Do you really think Kojima cared about anything other than straight men playing this game?
WrenchNinja
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i don't think kojima put much thought into anything aside from the gameplay to be honest
Every MGS fan should listen to this podcast with Jeremy Blaustein. Quality is amateurish as it was made by fans, but the content is great and Jeremy speaks 100% candidly about working on various Konami games like Snatcher, MGS and Silent Hill 2. Also talks about dealing with Kojima (topical, I guess).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sx7yttJm0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sx7yttJm0I
KOMANI
KOMANI
He did have Kaz in a speedo and there is a gay overtone with snake and ocelot... But his direction with Quiet is disgusting and I wish there was an uproar about it.
Red Blaster
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chinner's always been the voice of reason
As much as I feel this doesn't need explanation because this game often prioritizes gameplay design over rationality (in a great way), I still don't think it's inconsistent.
Multiple hits during a boss battle are required to essentially kill Quiet. 3 powerful shots from enemies and she's wounded, and pulled out automatically by Miller and the support staff. It's intentionally not the same amount of damage.
I wished after you finished mission 46, not only your avatar unlocks but the ability to make a female avatar as well. When you play as a female soldier you get still called "Boss" around Mother Base and by Kaz so it's not like it matters much.
ShockingAlberto
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KOMANI
KOMANI
You beat me to it. Do you remember who his late sister/brother used to voice? I'm pretty sure it was a Pokemon.
Perhaps that's still possible, because MGO has a female avatar creator.
Why is someone like this so rare? You don't even need to be a translator to clean up the localizations and direct voice actors. Kojima needs a filter for so many of his ideas on paper.
Punished_Snake
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Maybe they did this to balance the gameplay? I don't see a problem here.
Should of been in the final game if he wanted to make his point across.
But of course it's not like that's only thing that should of been in the final game if he wanted to make his point across.
I loved both Mei Ling and Naomi's accents in MGS1
I hate that they changed it for 4.WrenchNinja
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It never made sense for Mei Ling to have an accent. She was born in the U.S. Unless she spent her entire life only talking to her parents and grandparents, there's no way she'd have an accent like that
The Silver
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He used to back with MGS2, he intentionally made Raiden androgynous so he could relate more to women.
FlashbladeGAF
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I loved both Mei Ling and Naomi's accents in MGS1
I loved the voice work in the original. Felt like I was taking part in an interactive movie.
To be honest all I heard were characters, not accents.
That was until Twin Snakes, then I wanted my accents back, because after hearing 5 hours of codec conversations Those accents were apart of the characters.
Probably because it gets you fired: the story goes that when MGS: Integral was released with English voice acting, Kojima's translator at the time, Scott Dolph, pointed out the differences between the English script and the original and Kojima was not pleased. In the end, Jeremy didn't return as the translator for MGS2, even though that would've made the most sense.
You can hear all about Jeremy's opinion of Scott Dolph and Kojima in that podcast. It's good stuff.
Meowth, I think.
SuperStiltzkin
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I'm better than Quiet. I can shoot an RPG right through a Hind's spinning rotors without damaging it at all.
Palette Swap
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Having let it sink in a bit more, I hope we get some kind of postmortem someday, just to see what the creative process was, because from the outside, it looks like they had a number of great story beats they wanted to hit, to the point they put them in trailers, and they were left afterwards with the task of giving a semblance of continuum between these moments. That's the part where they really screwed the pouch and we ended up with parasites, ellipses, tapes, filler missions and Skull Face being a farcical villain.
Typically, I love the post-mission 41 cutscene, it's genuinely well written, dark and poetic, tonally fitting but it's a shame it sits at the ass end of the game with no build up or follow up.
Typically, I love the post-mission 41 cutscene, it's genuinely well written, dark and poetic, tonally fitting but it's a shame it sits at the ass end of the game with no build up or follow up.
Seeing the result, I'd agree but regardless of its poor execution, I'm fairly certain he was proud of his twist as a fourth wall breaking closing statement. If anything, he put too much thought into the twist, ignoring how detrimental it was to an already average and disjointed story.
That JRPG inspiration.
I mean sure, but she's already OP as hell in terms of helping you out on missions, you almost feel like you don't need to do anything when you bring her. They should've either nerf her as a whole or nothing at all.
Yeah, like in prior MGO's.
I play as a female just for the sake of variety, all these soldiers in Mother Base look too similar to one another.
Punished_Snake
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In the ending Big Boss is talking to the player through the character, who was once a medic in MSF, a real character in the universe, not made by the players.
Definitely. It was jarring to say the least.
Though the accent removal is probably the least shitty thing they did to those characters considering how they both were way less interesting in 4.
I wish Kiefer had more chances to say goofy shit so I could evaluate that bit properly. That was always my favourite part of Hayter Snake; he could sound absurdly gruff and then effortlessly segue into talking about his quasi-sexual love of boxes in an instant.
The goofiest thing I've heard Kiefer say is ROCKET PAWNCH and HAIDARAAAAAAA which is, admittedly, pretty goofy. But I needed an extended monologue on some seriously goofy shit.
The goofiest thing I've heard Kiefer say is ROCKET PAWNCH and HAIDARAAAAAAA which is, admittedly, pretty goofy. But I needed an extended monologue on some seriously goofy shit.
SuperStiltzkin
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Damnit...now I gotta scour mother base for a blue door light.
Speaking of goofy... i don't think i ever saw that goofy face he talked about in that interview.
Use spoiler tags if you see Norman Reedus.
FlashbladeGAF
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The tapes are intentional and serve as the optional codec scenes.
Even Peace Walker had them. Peace Walker also had 4 [mandatory] Chapters and an optional 5.
Even though the twist was where Kojima was going I don't think he was focused on it. The ending amounts to 5 minutes of new footage in an hour repeat play through of the prologue. It was him making the core gameplay as free as possible until he was told finish this shit now so he had no choice but to leave out a proper build to the climax.
The fact that the chapter just shows up without any explanation or build up shows he didn't get a chance to create the scenario or boss battle that would trigger the event. Which probably would have been something in Chapter 3 or the [imaginary]4.
I feel like Keifer is undoubtedly a better actor than Hayter, but between the new voice and all the script stuff and what with being an entirely different character, he just doesn't actually feel like Snake at all and I'm just playing gruffman mcgruff with a horn, so the twist was almost entirely wasted on me (though I would've enjoyed it more if Hayter was Ishmael)
ShockingAlberto
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Use spoiler tags if you see Norman Reedus.
I saw him at the mall once. I said "Hey Daryl" and he waved.
I felt real dumb.
FlashbladeGAF
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Thats one of the times I want to say Fuck Kojima.
Oh... it's ok for Japan to keep their Solid Snake, but for the West, it's ok to make up some shitty BS "darker" excuse when in reality he just fell in love watching Keifer in 24
with subtitles
WrenchNinja
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"real character"
Nicely done. hahaha. Thats cool that he waved back. Should've pulled a PressX to Daryl moment.
Mei Ling was American yeah? So her accent was pretty inaccurate (though not bad necessarily in that case). Never liked Naomi's accent change though
I dunno, I'm pretty sure you have a fair few Chinese Americans (in like places in San Francisco) who have been here for generations, but still primarily speak Chinese.
But then why bother if the intention was making Venom a reflection of the player?
Hell, it goes along with the problem of making him a "slient" protagonist as well. It just doesn't work at all here.
Please tell me there's more.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Oh wow yeah that's a solid spot and exactly 22 seconds faster.
I prefer my strat though
a bit more hilarious.haha this made my morning, holy crap
Thank you. I don't know what people see in Kiefer's performance.
He's definitely not bad or anything, but it's just bland and stale most of the times. I'd take Hayter's energy, ham, gravel and snark over whatever we got with Kiefer.
I don't know what some of you guys are on about, but this is definitely akin to the MGS2 Snake voice, he can definitely still do a non-chainsmoking Snake voice. It really seems like shoddy voice direction is the culprit here.
He is, but usually his posts are dripping with sarcasm.
FlashbladeGAF
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Oh wow yeah that's a solid spot and exactly 22 seconds faster.
I prefer my strat though
I can't help but want to fulton all the mission targets.
So I had to hall ass and get into the building before the chopper arrived but you had to do it without alerting anyone or else the chopper would go away. Had to get the arms dealer too.
The Silver
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I'd take literally anything over another Hayter Peace Walker performance, i don't know what the hell was going on there.
Just finished. Kinda...really disappointed that so much of the game was given away in trailers. The game started so incredibly and tapered off by the end. I have to gather the rest of my thoughts but right now I'm sadly not feeling it.
Also can't believe they showed the twist via the fucking opening credits in mission 46.
Also can't believe they showed the twist via the fucking opening credits in mission 46.
KOMANI
KOMANI
Not only was David Hayter the winter soldier, he was also Captain America (along with Robin Atkins) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOchW7BOmmU
Even the tapes are kind of disappointing honestly, now that I've listened to them all there's only a handful that truly stand out.
- Skull Face interrogates Code Talker (the one with the bell, SF is amazing in this one)
- Paz last tape
- Hamburgers
- Strange Love final message
- "Truth" tapes are all very good, especially the one with Zero
- Some Code Talker tibits are good but drowned by wolbachia/maletofemale/copulation snoozefest
Compared to MGS2-3's optional codec calls it's pretty sad. And the myth that Venom tals a lot more in the tapes it's just that, a myth. It's true that in the first part he has something to say (not much compared to Ocelot and Miller but still), but after the Sahelanthropus speech he vanishes completely.
- Skull Face interrogates Code Talker (the one with the bell, SF is amazing in this one)
- Paz last tape
- Hamburgers
- Strange Love final message
- "Truth" tapes are all very good, especially the one with Zero
- Some Code Talker tibits are good but drowned by wolbachia/maletofemale/copulation snoozefest
Compared to MGS2-3's optional codec calls it's pretty sad. And the myth that Venom tals a lot more in the tapes it's just that, a myth. It's true that in the first part he has something to say (not much compared to Ocelot and Miller but still), but after the Sahelanthropus speech he vanishes completely.
Kevin Shields
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Replaying Mission 13. That mission is freaking fantastic.
I actually like the language plot and how they slowly set it up. Kept me intrigued.
I actually like the language plot and how they slowly set it up. Kept me intrigued.
I remember a neogaf post saying "he doesn't shut up in the tapes" and I was like "what?"
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