wrestleman
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This is exactly the way the nWo happened.
So like how does Pro Wrestling work?
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This is exactly the way the nWo happened.
RiccochetJ
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You're right. I'm being a complete ass.
Raw. Or Monday Night Raw.
Yes, they generally know the names of the moves. Like clothesline, piledriver, bodyslam etc.
At the same time, there are "finishers" that each wrestler has. Those are supposed to be the move that no opponent can recover from and so they either are completely knocked out, or it's a submission move where they have to tap. Recently that hasn't been the case though. WWE has been a fan of false finishes lately. A false finish is where there's a moment where the wrestler hits his or her finisher on the opponent and at the last moment the opponent kicks out or raises their shoulder at the last second.
Professor Beef
Banned
Austin didn't start out as "Stone Cold" in WCW. He was a character named "Stunning Steve Austin." A lot of guys who are famous nowadays didn't start out that way. Some went through different characters entirely before getting one that "stuck" and made them who they are.
Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock (as mentioned already), Mick Foley, Kevin Nash, the list goes on and on.
Back to Austin, he started hitting his stride in one of the most well-known feuds in WWE history against Bret Hart. A speech he did after winning "King of the Ring" where he said the now famous "Austin 3:16" promo is what really got him going.
This is a well studied concept in media studies, I remember in college I took a course on this stuff. It's fascinating because it happens over and over again in media, even when it's so well understood and there are so many examples.
Basically - don't forget over your original audience. It started to happen to Microsoft too when Don Mattrick is around (but they appear to have turned it around lately).
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
There was serious consideration when WCW launched their Thunder show in late '97 to turn one of their shows (either Nitro or Thunder) into a completely nWo focused show, but a test run episode of Nitro did shit ratings so they put the kibosh on this, yet the kept the nWo angle running for a year and a half afterwords before it basically petered out for no real reason.
pants
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Everybody has a price, the only rival the Million Dollar Man has is his distance from an ATM.
Q
Queen of Hunting
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Only thing that annoys me about wwe and alot of other wrestling promotions.
X person gets title shot. They lose invoke a rematch. Lose again invoke rematch. If they win guy that lost invokes rematch. Loses again invokes rematch.
Then it gets to a point where in 1 year you have 3 ppvs of the same title matches etc.
This doesnt even tie to title matches anymore ( brock/taker cena/owens cena/orton paige/nikki and many others )
X person gets title shot. They lose invoke a rematch. Lose again invoke rematch. If they win guy that lost invokes rematch. Loses again invokes rematch.
Then it gets to a point where in 1 year you have 3 ppvs of the same title matches etc.
This doesnt even tie to title matches anymore ( brock/taker cena/owens cena/orton paige/nikki and many others )
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Yeah, for the first year or so of Hogan's WCW run, Austin was around.
Here he is in WCW:
They have this concept in Sentai shows in japan as well. Do you happen to know if this is something that originated in Japanese Pro Wrestling?
Yeah, for the first year or so of Hogan's WCW run, Austin was around.
Here he is in WCW:
Whoa, completely unrecognizable. I used to get him and goldberg mixed up because I thought they looked similar.
So this NWO arc never really had a resolution? Wouldn't that piss off fans who followed it for years?
Professor Beef
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It's a common trope, not one exclusive to japanese promotions or one that originated there.
Okay watching this explains quite a lot from childhood. I knew someone who was Mankind for Halloween around this time.
This is actually nuts.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Actually, the concept of a "finisher" that always ends the match no matter what is much less common in Japan. It's more likely over there for a match to end by a regular old move. Not to say guys over there don't have finishers, they do, but in the US it's practically unheard of for a match to end on a normal move, whereas in Japan it's much more common.
Also, you think that Austin is unrecognizable? How about even earlier in his WCW run?
Thank you for bringing this up, I had forgotten about it: just what is Austin 3:16? I saw those signs at completely unrelated sporting events, like football games or basketball games - for YEARS.
Professor Beef
Banned
Pop-O-Matic
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For some reason WCW never bothered to ask this question when it came to a lot of their decisions. Like it was basically a tradition to embarrass Ric Flair whenever they ran a show in North Carolina despite him basically being a hometown hero there. Or, shortly before the nWo angle died, they randomly re-united the Wolfpac and nWo Hollywood, which basically re-set the status quo to where it was in '97. And they did it by having Kevin Nash, the World Champion basically lay down for Hogan to pin him after taking a poke to the chest.
BTW, I really recommend you read The Death of WCW. Really fascinating stuff.
lol, did they censor the name "wwf"? Is this because of that world wildlife stuff?
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Austin was wrestling against Jake "The Snake" Roberts, a veteran who had recently taken on a "born-again Christian" gimmick, in the King of the Ring tournament. After winning the match, Austin cut a promo where he said:
And that's where that started.
Jake "the Snake" Roberts had found Jesus and was preaching bible stuff in 1996. When Austin beat him to become King of the Ring in that year, he gave the speech: "Talk about your psalms, talk about your John 3:16's. Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass!"
It took off with the fans.
Edit: beaten
Professor Beef
Banned
At the time it happened? No. But after the world wildlife stuff happened, they went back and altered a lot of their footage to either edit out the F or blur the actual logo. A few years ago they got the rights to their old logos and stuff (I forget the complete details) so that sort of editing doesn't happen anymore.
lol, even with the context, seeing those signs at like Houston Rockets games back in the day makes no sense.
I just remembered that Stone Cold Steve Austin was also a regular on Celebrity Deathmatch, haha. Actually, that's probably the closest I got to regularly watching wrestling.
I just remembered that Stone Cold Steve Austin was also a regular on Celebrity Deathmatch, haha. Actually, that's probably the closest I got to regularly watching wrestling.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
People would append "3:16" to everything back then.
It never made any sense.
There's really nothing to explain about that one. It's just a catchphrase he started using. It's not like he had a gimmick as a chef or anything (though, thinking about it...that would've been amazing).
Professor Beef
Banned
It was one of the Rock's catchphrases, basically a cockier "if you know what I'm saying." Rock was a *very* cocky bad guy at the time, so it went with his character. As time went on, people couldn't help but love The Rock, so he kept on using it whether or not he was a good or bad guy.
TheChewyWaffles
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Kinda like the NBA.
Well, the first time he used it, did it make sense? Because, the way I've always heard it used, it doesn't really mean anything.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Like, in general, there's really no interesting stories behind any of the big wrestling catchphrases except for Austin 3:16.
Beef's post above sums it up nicely.
Beef's post above sums it up nicely.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
I'm sure Jim Cornette would agree with you.
WWF was forced to rename to WWE because of this.
Which led to this great t-shirt:
I see pro wrestling essentially as a live-action comic book. There's heroes and villians, crazy storylines, and every few years they just retcon the shit out of everything and pretend that it's all new again.
A wrestler's death usually consists of the following:
Steroids: In order to build/maintain mass and to recover from injuries.
Painkillers: To put up with the untold number of bumps they take in their career, combined with injuries and stuff.
Cocaine: It's a hellova drug.
Put enough of them together and the heart just gives out.
Sir_Crocodile
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"If you understand what I'm saying". He subbed it in off the cuff during a mania '14 hype interview and it caught on.
RiccochetJ
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I honestly have no clue. The earliest I can personally remember is Wrestlemania VI with Hulk Hogan vs the Ultimate Warrior. I'm sure there were others way before then.
I remember a lot of those happening in Stampede Wrestling, but that was a local thing and not on the same stage.
I have to think with Pro Wrestling, that this sort of thing was a staple across continents and cultures for a long time. I'm just of the opinion that the WWE has been leaning on it way too much lately to get the crowd pumped.
So I'm watching this right now... this was real? He really got hurt?
Actually it does. They now have the rights to use all instances of WWF from prior to May 2002, but all instances of WWF post May 2002 have to be censored. This includes the "block" version of the WWF logo (from pre-1998, which was previously ok due to a technicality) which they were using on and off up to at least 2010, including a whole clothing line of retro-WWF merchandise.
It's weird...
Sir_Crocodile
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Can't view links right now but assuming hell in a cell match.
The throw off the top was intended, went as planned.
Chokeslam through the cell was NOT intended, and hurt him.
Professor Beef
Banned
Another thing that I noticed people (including myself) touched on is popularity and promos. It's severely understated how hard it is to actually connect with fans as a wrestler. Some wrestlers just do not have that ability to connect with people, while some of the greatest of all-time (Austin, Rock, Hogan, etc) can get an audience to hang onto their every word.
Bringing up Austin again lol, but here's an example of the crowd going crazy for him while he shits on a wrestler having a match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWMD4rKtwG4
Bringing up Austin again lol, but here's an example of the crowd going crazy for him while he shits on a wrestler having a match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWMD4rKtwG4
Yeah and no one knew it was gonna happen. Jim Ross' (the commentator) reaction is genuine
Edit: maybe I'm remembering the story wrong. Maybe just the Jim didn't know lol
Sir_Crocodile
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mark cooljerk being wised up as we speak
StopMakingSense
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You kid, but there actually was a wrestling character called I.R.S., whose character was a tax auditor, and he would wrestle with the Million Dollar Man in a tag team named Money Inc.
In an interview, instead of saying "do you know what I'm saying?" he once substituted it with "do you smell what I'm cooking?". The crowd liked it, and then eventually he started talking about himself in the third person and the final catchphrase was born.
Jesus that looks brutal
And the crowd goes wild while the guy is in actual pain haha
Do the announcers know the outcome of the matches prior? Or are they supposed to provide off-the-cuff commentary?
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
So who's gonna be the horrible monster that links Krejlooc to Sid's Leg?
Professor Beef
Banned
This match is a prime example of lightning in a bottle. Everything that could've gone wrong did, but both men kept the match going. Both the announcers had no idea about the details of the match (JR and King legitimately thought Foley had died), so what you heard from them was completely genuine.
Foley was knocked out cold near the end of the match and didn't remember a good chunk until he saw footage of it afterwards.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Yeah. Foley had a rep as one of the toughest men in wrestling (having famously won IWA's King of the Deathmatch tourny a few years prior), so they apparently thought that he could handle that first fall of the cell. They were wrong, and he was basically knocked out for a couple of minutes, leading to them stopping the match and trying to stretcher him off. Then Foley regained consciousness, decided to continue the match and got slammed through the cell (which wasn't planned at all), and, despite that, still continuing on with the match as planned.
Sir_Crocodile
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he wants to know about wrestlers, not softball players.
Professor Beef
Banned
It's a little of both. Jerry "the King" Lawler has stated that he doesn't like knowing the results, but I think most of the time the announcers will have a skeleton script that has outlines of what will be happening. Then they're supposed to call the match for what it is since they don't know the entire thing.
What is the audience chanting?
The fall from the top of the cage onto the table only dislocated his shoulder. The fall from the cage to the mat knocked him unconscious. The chair that fell on him after hitting the mat forced his tooth through his lip and it ended up in his nostril. All that and it's the tacks that really fuck with me.
Also, if you notice Undertaking limping, it's because he went into the fight with a broken ankle.
Sir_Crocodile
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in advance. they've tried off-the-cuff on occasion, but it leads to famous blunders like heenan's "whose side is he on" that I linked you to earlier. it made sense for heenan, who had a fifteen year feud with hogan to say in abstract to smear hulk's "good name", but not on the night he finally turned heel lol.
Pop-O-Matic
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Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
God dammit Pop.
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