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SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO
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Directed by Kojima: Opening Credits Simulator.
Dick Justice
Banned
Liquid Pequod. Chapter 51 mentions that he's recovered after being left for dead by the kids.
Mix Master
Member
whats the name of the song when you fly to the quarantine platform to kill your men?
Stereogatari
Banned
Quiet should have been a descendant of The End. It would have fit in to the "WHAT A LUST FOR REVENGE, WHOOOOOO" theme.
Nothing and I mean NOTHING compares to the goosebumps I get when the drums at the start of Snake Eater hit.
WHAT A THRIIIIL...Fucking hell I'm going to have to start a playthrough of that bad boy soon. Feeling nostalgic.
Guys, so what was your overall most favorite vocal song in the series?
"Snake Eater"
"Way to Fall"
"Calling to the Night"
"Heavens Divide"
Quiet's Theme
"A Phantom Pain"
"Sins of the Father"
"The Best is Yet to Come"
"Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday"
"Victory Song"
Here's To You
Calling to the Night is mine, followed by Way to Fall, but they're all incredible.
Edit: Added a couple of songs I forgot. I'm slacking
Nothing and I mean NOTHING compares to the goosebumps I get when the drums at the start of Snake Eater hit.
WHAT A THRIIIIL...Fucking hell I'm going to have to start a playthrough of that bad boy soon. Feeling nostalgic.
I think it's interesting how much narrative has to do with how complete a game feels. I think if the game only contained chapter 1 people would feel much better about the game even though it would have less content than what we got. The plot would still suck, but it wouldn't feel as unfinished.
Coriolanus
Banned
No. Her being The End's mother would have fit with the theme (and overall writing quality).
They probably could have put chapter 2 stuff into chapter 1 and paced well enough people would have enjoyed it way more.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Not gonna argue against the incompleteness of MGSV, but the one time Kojima actually delivered on what fans wanted we got a convoluted mess of a story in MGS4.
Stereogatari
Banned
HAHAHAHAHA. Explained through the power of PARASITE PORTALS.
I personally view Chapter 2 as what in an RPG would be called "post-game content".
Marketing also plays a role but yeah, Chapter 1 ends well.
The problem with MGSV is that games aren't just about gameplay, they're about the experience, so all elements count. The unsatisfying, pulled together Chapter 2 means that the ending of my experience with MGSV was a massive disappointment.
That was the conflict I had when I had finished the game. I had finished it, and most people on the forum had only started playing it (though a good amount had finished it too). It's like if The Last of Us went on for another 4 hours, but those hours were disappointing. Would that make The Last of Us a worse game? Now I think yeah, but it's a weird thing to think about.
I don't think I've played a game this good that ends on such a sour note. And the game hyping up Chapter 2 with a trailer within the game didn't help. What a let down.
eso76
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DamonForever
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Guys, so what was your overall most favorite vocal song in the series?
"Snake Eater"
"Way to Fall"
"Calling to the Night"
"Heavens Divide"
Quiet's Theme
"A Phantom Pain"
"Sins of the Father"
"The Best is Yet to Come"
"Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday"
"Victory Song"
Here's To You
Calling to the Night is mine, followed by Way to Fall, but they're all incredible.
Edit: Added a couple of songs I forgot. I'm slacking
Nuclear?
...The Best Is Yet To Come is soooo good.
Stereogatari
Banned
This is exactly how I explained it to my friend. MGSV is the best for gameplay, but MGS1-4 are the best experiences.
The Silver
Member
Boy I sure would like a game that actually lives up to Sins of the Father.
Sins of the Father is actually about Kojima as he is the father of the series.
Mr. Smiley
Member
Words that kill?
The script.
The jeep ride definitely lived up to it didn't it?
Stereogatari
Banned
MGS5: Sins of the Father.
why is he wearing a diamond dogs helmet? because it's them cutting corners.
because it's not pequod just the same model helicopter and a random dude inside
ShockingAlberto
Member
I imagine it was named Sins of the Father because I bet it was going to play when fighting Eli in 51.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
1. The Best is Yet to ComeGuys, so what was your overall most favorite vocal song in the series?
"Snake Eater"
"Way to Fall"
"Calling to the Night"
"Heavens Divide"
Quiet's Theme
"A Phantom Pain"
"Sins of the Father"
"The Best is Yet to Come"
"Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday"
"Victory Song"
Here's To You
Calling to the Night is mine, followed by Way to Fall, but they're all incredible.
Edit: Added a couple of songs I forgot. I'm slacking
2. A Phantom Pain (This would have made an amazing credits song!! Why is it not in game!!)
3. Calling to the Night
FlashbladeGAF
Member
My bad on the wording. I meant that Miller tells him he will need him to do something, "cluing" Miller in that Zero is up to something [has a plan] involving Snake and that his cooperation was needed when "the time" came.
Yeah your right... I rewatched the whole sequence.
I do find that whole exchange interesting. The way Miller looks at Venom and says "Snake...?" then Venom asks him if there was something wrong with his eyes and he blames the light. I believe he knew something was off and his suspicions were confirmed later when meeting up with Ocelot. Even Huey, the only remaining member of MSF that was really close to the Boss knew something was off when he first met him during the rescue mission/escape form Metal Gear-S.
Someone mentioned after your reply
Ocelot is a liar. Him having the knowledge of the plan and telling Miller only proves he didn't hypnotize himself after rescuing Snake and Venom at the hospital.
After playing 60+ hours and seeing the credits, I knew there had to be more, but when the Chapter 2 title screen came up and showed the clips of what's to come, I remembered Peace Walker and it's 5 chapters as well as Kojima's quote about being afraid his game would be too long for anyone to play thru to reach the ending.
I thought I was in for more and the game and its potential became the greatest game ever.
F.K.
PedroPanache
Member
I'm actually looking forward to replaying the game, and the saga in general, despite the ending being something of a downer. The gameplay was incredible and, in terms of how this game fits into the lore, I'm not bothered that it fails to resolve certain aspects of the saga, if only because it was already wrapped up, for me at least, before MGSV. What we thought Kojima was building towards, he's actually been steadily moving away from, and that's the 2 MSX games. The subsequent expansion of the story from MGS onwards has slowly morphed MG1&2 into anachronistic outliers in the series lore. Big Boss is a cartoon villain in the first two games with a Sean Connery avatar no less. There's no pathos or legend to his story. He's a functional villain but one just interesting enough to light the embers of an elaborate and complex series mythology.
I think it niggled Kojima, after MGS3, that his story ended in such a way and that's why he gave Big Boss a ludicrous send-off in MGS4. Kojima rejected MG1&2 by purposely not turning Big Boss into that one note 8-bit character. The series has evolved considerably, but the early Metal Gear games remain trapped in time. Kojima can no longer bridge that gap and furthermore, he's spent the best part of a decade turning Big Boss into a complex anti-hero. It's no surprise that MGSV furthers that legend instead of resolving the one dangling thread from MG1&2; he has nothing in common with that character any more.
I've never played those MSX games, but their legend looms large over the series and MGSV in particular, and despite their archaic graphics and gameplay, I'd like to play them, at least once, to gain some perspective over the series. One can only imagine that Kojima, had Konami not wanted out of the video game business, would have directed or oversaw remakes of those 2 games at some point in time. They're the true missing links in the saga. 2 obscure but incredibly important games that the vast majority of fans have never played.
I think it niggled Kojima, after MGS3, that his story ended in such a way and that's why he gave Big Boss a ludicrous send-off in MGS4. Kojima rejected MG1&2 by purposely not turning Big Boss into that one note 8-bit character. The series has evolved considerably, but the early Metal Gear games remain trapped in time. Kojima can no longer bridge that gap and furthermore, he's spent the best part of a decade turning Big Boss into a complex anti-hero. It's no surprise that MGSV furthers that legend instead of resolving the one dangling thread from MG1&2; he has nothing in common with that character any more.
I've never played those MSX games, but their legend looms large over the series and MGSV in particular, and despite their archaic graphics and gameplay, I'd like to play them, at least once, to gain some perspective over the series. One can only imagine that Kojima, had Konami not wanted out of the video game business, would have directed or oversaw remakes of those 2 games at some point in time. They're the true missing links in the saga. 2 obscure but incredibly important games that the vast majority of fans have never played.
These are it for me. I used to hate Snake Eater when I first played it (it was probably the Ladder scene), but now I love it.
Deckard Chapel
Banned
Everyday that passes, I get more and more bitter and soured about Metal Gear Solid 5. The gameplay is superb, but every single other aspect of it is flawed, incomplete and disappointing in every way.
We were lied to - we were told that Kojima was still working on the game and that it was everything he wanted it to be, but in fact it was a little over halfway finished apparently. I feel betrayed and irritated that I was so hyped for this game for so long and that I actually paid for an unfinished masterpiece. The twist is so annoying and ridiculous that it's tough to pick the game back up knowing what I know.
We were lied to - we were told that Kojima was still working on the game and that it was everything he wanted it to be, but in fact it was a little over halfway finished apparently. I feel betrayed and irritated that I was so hyped for this game for so long and that I actually paid for an unfinished masterpiece. The twist is so annoying and ridiculous that it's tough to pick the game back up knowing what I know.
Peace Walker's story is more important than the one on this game, if that doesn't make it a main entry I'm not sure what is.
SolidSnakex
Member
Guys, so what was your overall most favorite vocal song in the series?
"Snake Eater"
"Way to Fall"
"Calling to the Night"
"Heavens Divide"
Quiet's Theme
"A Phantom Pain"
"Sins of the Father"
"The Best is Yet to Come"
"Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday"
"Victory Song"
Here's To You
Calling to the Night is mine, followed by Way to Fall, but they're all incredible.
Edit: Added a couple of songs I forgot. I'm slacking
Shouldn't The Man Who Sold the World be listed? I think what's really impressive about it and Way to Fall is that they're licensed songs that fit each game perfectly. Like they were both written for them or the games were written around them. Which is really amazing for Way to Fall because Kojima originally wanted Bowie's Space Oddity and Ashes to Ashes for MGS3, but they apparently couldn't get the license to them. Finding Starsailor was an accident because he was told to check out Stellastar but he misheard the person making the recommendation and instead listened to Starsailor. Here's to You would be on that list of licensed songs as well if they'd gone with the original ending. But they changed it to one that really doesn't have any relation to the lyrics.
As far as original songs go, I think I like Quiet's Theme the most along with Snake Eater.
On the whole left/right hand thing with Ishmael... During the beginning of the prologue, Ishmael is stabbed on his right shoulder by Quiet. This could explain why his right arm is weakened for a short while and he uses his left hand to handle things.
However, by the time Ishmael and Ahab are shooting the XOF soldiers, Ishmael shoots his gun with his right hand.
Ishmael is Big Boss guys. Just let it go.
However, by the time Ishmael and Ahab are shooting the XOF soldiers, Ishmael shoots his gun with his right hand.
Ishmael is Big Boss guys. Just let it go.
Why does he use his left to smoke the cigar later with Ocelot?
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
I have a bunch of screenshots with Venom using his left hand to handle objects in cutscenes he could have easily used his right for, including a few instances of phantom cigars to push the plot forward a few hours.
It's just some inconsistencies, not a hint.
Dick Justice
Banned
It was my most hyped part of MGS4 as well. The power of MGS3 just stretches that far.
Who would tie keeping a buddy to having a specific emblem (a part of the game that couldn't be further from the core)?
Kojima, that's who.
The boxes?
Cut, probably.
Kojima, that's who.
The boxes?
Cut, probably.
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