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SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO
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KyanMehwulfe
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No, Venom's coma was fake... Or at least, he was purposely kept longer in a coma. The doctors were keeping him in a coma under Zero and Ocelot's orders, and were told not to wake up Venom until Big Boss awoke.
I'm nearly positive there's a conversation in the game where Ocelot mentions the plane crash coinciding with Big Boss' awakening, thereby drawing a link to Mantis' response.
Maybe someone can "check the tape," lol.
And I guess Skully just felt no one could feel more hate than he did. Which is funny, because for a hateful guy he sure knows how to be charismatic. He'd be great at parties.
No, Venom was in a medically induced coma which is dumb for other reasons.
FlashbladeGAF
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They had another Cold War on their hands if Snake failed.
And the last thing you want to hear is, if you fail this mission... we will just get someone else to come in and clean up after you by killing your mentor.
Chico told Skull Face everything in GZ
Which makes no sense since you think the safest thing to do would be to wake up venom before boss wakes up to deflect any possible threats to him while he's in a coma...
Yeah, I don't accept that Skullface did anything for Operation Snake Eater, implied or not.
There is no room in 3 to point to some hidden unit doing anything to make Big Boss succeed where he wouldn't have otherwise. I mean what is XOF? A bunch of no name soldiers outside of Skullface, and this was a top secret mission that VERY few people know of.
You have to pick and choose which parts of the story to keep in your own personal canon with something so half baked like MGSV's plot.
There is no room in 3 to point to some hidden unit doing anything to make Big Boss succeed where he wouldn't have otherwise. I mean what is XOF? A bunch of no name soldiers outside of Skullface, and this was a top secret mission that VERY few people know of.
You have to pick and choose which parts of the story to keep in your own personal canon with something so half baked like MGSV's plot.
Hey, I never said it would make Snake happy!
Just pointing out there was a lot at stake, like you say, so I'm not surprised Zero had a backup plan.Unknown One
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Or you could just disregard MGSV entirely like I did. Also I disregarded MGS4.
But FOX was just recently instated at the beginning of MGS3. Zero didn't have the resources yet to build an paramilitary group like XOF. Unless XOF was just Skull Face and maybe a secretary, which is a funny metal image.
FlashbladeGAF
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Top Secret doesn't mean shit if the person leaking the information is the man in charge.
But yeah Skull Face rubs me the wrong way too, but when you think about it, you can't really trust one man who has a personal relationship with the target to follow thru with his [assassination] mission. You need a plan B. Especially with the world at stake.
Verbatim? Ehhhhh. The intention was to make us think of Skull Face as a dual entity of BB, but that never panned out.
I think the suggestion is Skull Face's work is imperceptible because there's no way you'd know any better.
For example, in MGS3, perhaps one arrangement of guards that Snake encounters, and overcomes, is not the original arrangement. Maybe Skull Face picked some off from the shadows, or misdirected them, or meddled with their assignments, making what Snake encountered easier than it would've been.
Things of that nature. In other words, the situations Snake encountered might've been "shaped" in some way by Skull Face.
Think of Skull Face... as lube. Mission lube.
FlashbladeGAF
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Hey, I never said it would make Snake happy!
I was agreeing with you.
Just further pushing your point.
I picture Skull Face accompanied by Isabelle from Animal Crossing. I want to play this game I'm picturing.
But seriously, a lot of our facts from MGS3 are clearly not the whole picture now. We don't know his books or what resources he had available. Not in their entirety.
Or if they had that kind of flexibility they could've been sent in as a real team to increase the success of the mission.
FlashbladeGAF
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Maybe Skull Face or an XOF member was the original contact: EVA.
We know EVA wasn't the real contact but I don't remember them saying who was.
All we got was ADAM's real identity.
Berserker976
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Ok, so let me get this all straight. Big Boss waking up triggers Mantis' powers, and he crashes the plane he's on. Instead of immediately going to Big Boss to do his bidding, he instead, for some reason, latches onto the postmortem revenge anger of Volgin's corpse.
Meanwhile, Skull Face is playing around with his parasites and gets a call informing him of an unusual plane crash and a moving reanimated corpse. From this, he deduces that Big Boss must be the cause of both events, must have just woken up from a coma, and must be in a specific hospital in Cyprus. He then sends Quiet and a a lot of others to this hospital to kill Big Boss, completely ignoring the fact that Mantis, with Volgin in tow, is headed to the exact same place to do the exact same thing.
And instead of briefing his men about this he decides to keep them in the dark because surprises are funny.
Meanwhile, Skull Face is playing around with his parasites and gets a call informing him of an unusual plane crash and a moving reanimated corpse. From this, he deduces that Big Boss must be the cause of both events, must have just woken up from a coma, and must be in a specific hospital in Cyprus. He then sends Quiet and a a lot of others to this hospital to kill Big Boss, completely ignoring the fact that Mantis, with Volgin in tow, is headed to the exact same place to do the exact same thing.
And instead of briefing his men about this he decides to keep them in the dark because surprises are funny.
usually fans picking and choosing their own canon annoys me, but in this case kojima clearly didn't care about consistency or anything so meh
everything after 3 is a nanoparasites induced fever dream imo
If the conclusion you've come to is that the story is completely insane, you're not wrong.
Nah, Snake Eater was still a mission where they had to be discrete. Naked Snake and a "phantom" (Skull Face) might've been all that was needed. Add any more, and you risk blowing your cover.
Honestly, I like the idea of Skull Face being involved in Snake Eater. I wish they had shown a flashback to MGS3 set in GG or wherever and it's shot the same way, but then the camera moves slightly to the left and there's Skull Face peeking around a corner, lol.
FlashbladeGAF
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V has come to!
Who knows what Cipher agent was a mole for XOF and leaked the info of their whereabouts.
Skull Face = real EVA contact
It's the only way to make since out of his magical participation in Snake Eater
SuperStiltzkin
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KyanMehwulfe
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I thought one of the tapes said BB's awakening affect Mantis, not Volgin... that's why the crash had "no survivors" but Ocelot expressed doubts, as Mantis was the only survivor. Then the Russians took Mantis to the same facility in Siberia or something as Volgin precisely because he was the only survivor, and it was Mantis once again reacting to Volgin (like Mantis reacting to Big Boss). So, then Volgin's comatose rage basically embodies itself in Mantis, and Mantis turns him into the Man on Fire -- again, destroying the facility in the same way as the airplane. Skull Face by then I guess begins to wonder, WTF at the plane and facility... notices Volgin gone maybe or just a Man on Fire lol... and tracks Man on Fire to Big Boss.
I thought that's what the Man on Fire or Third Boy tapes said at least.
The Lone Courier
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Did I understand it right that mantis was being transported via a civilian commercial airliner?
FlashbladeGAF
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That's how I remembered it.
What cover? It's not like Snake was incognito. He was physically stealthy. He was never spotted, until the moment he was in the plot.
If Skull Face is as good as Snake, there's no reason not to send them in together.
But this is ignoring that MGS3 is Big Boss's personal, psychological story, and that no other soldier should be on his side, seen or unseen, lest you lose the function of the story itself.
Oh well.
Isabelle and Skull Face poking parts of The End with a stick.
EmCeeGramr
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Like I said, someone needs to shop Skull Face in the background of every single major MGS3 event.
Leaning behind a tree while Snake fights Ocelot.
Popping out of a toilet in the Groznyj Grad cells.
Head slowly rising from the flower field holding a pair of binoculars as Snake looks over The Boss.
Maybe Snake was never spotted because Skull Face cut the number of guys on guard duty in half. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
"I'm really happy we could hang out today, Mayor Skully," Isabelle said, chewing on The End's eyeball.
RevolverRoden
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hahahahahaha someone please do this
Skull Face rising from a toilet bowl is pure nightmare fuel, save that shit for Halloween
KyanMehwulfe
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Yeah at that point he wasn't.... thought to be that crazy yet I guess. Just seemed to have powers but I think a tape says no one really understood the extent of it.
It was after they found him in the plane crash that they were, like... ummm..... wtf. so they could him to the same research facility as Volgin (another 'wtf' case).
You really wouldn't lose out on too much if you did. I'm kind of cool with the whole Big Boss Phantom thing though.
You could think of it that way and then you could play MGS3 and realize that it's total bullshit.
What is Skullface some wizard who can will situations into being for Snake to get past? He's clearly a lazy fucker too if he only took out some of the guards for me. If he's that good to do all this unnoticed why was there any resistance at all.
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OH SHIT!
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KOJIMA IS SKULLFACE!
After MGSV we all feel such a phantom pain and lust for revenge. Kojima is a mastermind.
That is really dumb and completely diminishes MGS3 if so, I just can't believe that.
Why not just have the XOF strike force do the operation at that point if they were actually ahead of him and consisted of several people that somehow came in and out of Russia completely unnoticed by Volgin, the Boss and the Cobra unit, while Naked Snake failed doing so. Makes no sense at all.
I think having to do all this explanation on what Skullface COULD of done in snake eater just goes to show how dumb of a plot point this is.
Someone please do this.
Someone please do this.
EmCeeGramr
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what was skull face wearing during snake eater
was he wearing a soldier camo uniform and a mask
was he wearing his cowboy costume
i imagine him tip toeing around Tselinoyarsk jungles around in his cowboy outfit and everyone else there just assumes that the pain stole ocelot's spare clothes
was he wearing a soldier camo uniform and a mask
was he wearing his cowboy costume
i imagine him tip toeing around Tselinoyarsk jungles around in his cowboy outfit and everyone else there just assumes that the pain stole ocelot's spare clothes
SuperStiltzkin
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I know what you mean. Like Ada in Separate Ways in RE4. Except there's no reason not to kill every living person in Snake's path and just say "well there's no patrols here cause of crocodiles and poisonous spiders." And wouldn't the 3 other russians wonder where there friends are? Wouldn't by the time Snake entered an area it would be during a caution state because clearly some nefarious shit has gone down that has rendered 3 of their men missing? Any point that Skull face could have helped, he didn't. He let EVA help first, which is fine. But when you start waiting to the last minute that even a goddamn ghost is helping Snake before you do, then you have to start reevaluating your methods.
I may have gotten the order of events wrong, but it doesn't really matter if it's Mantis -> BB ->Volgin or BB->Mantis->Volgin. It's all still a shitty hack writing coincidence.
He was wearing facepaint that made his face look like Snake's
Holy fuck, I got to the jeep scene while a couple of my friends were over.
My lungs almost ran out of air entirely when Sins of the Father started in full swing while Skull Face and Big Medic awkwardly gaze at each other.
Like holy fuck, was there really no other place they could have played that song in game?
My lungs almost ran out of air entirely when Sins of the Father started in full swing while Skull Face and Big Medic awkwardly gaze at each other.
Like holy fuck, was there really no other place they could have played that song in game?
Dynasty8
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LOL! So true.
And the final coup: Skull Face extends to shake BB's hand at the white house, and he's dissed.
Mantis Sperm immediately grows a microscopic mask and hat.
SuperStiltzkin
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EmCeeGramr
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skull face holding onto the back of the unmanned rocket lander as it falls into the jungle
skull face hiding behind snake in the swamps with a second crocodile mask
skull face dropping calorie mates all over the storerooms
skull face giving granin a bottle of booze
skull face dangling underneath the bridge whacking a girder with a stick to make sure it collapses with the shagohod when the explosives are shot
skull face holding onto the back of the plane as snake and eva fly away. he falls off into the lake and awkwardly shares a glance with ocelot
skull face hiding behind snake in the swamps with a second crocodile mask
skull face dropping calorie mates all over the storerooms
skull face giving granin a bottle of booze
skull face dangling underneath the bridge whacking a girder with a stick to make sure it collapses with the shagohod when the explosives are shot
skull face holding onto the back of the plane as snake and eva fly away. he falls off into the lake and awkwardly shares a glance with ocelot
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