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OH man... I wish we played as Mosquito instead of Medic. He's so much cooler.
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If Mantis was a gaffer, with his thirst to negativity, he'd be all over this thread.
Weren't they doing clean up work during Snake Eater in the shadows? Could have grabbed it then.
Unknown One
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If Mantis was a gaffer, with his thirst to negativity, he'd be all over this thread.
He'll also be in those console war threads.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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Huey was straight-up trying to murder dozens of people with the parasites?
mgs2master2
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Ōkami;180224626 said:
this is what i am assuming. Skull face came in just to vacuum it all up
Robot Pants
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Oh how convenient.
Good riddance, kojima
Ok I must have misremembered it then, because I swore Afrikaans was the problem when I looked at it given it was the overwhelmingly common language of the affected, but then Code Talker told me later it was Kikongo and I was confused about whether it had spread beyond Kikongo speakers or I was just a shitty version of the CDC.
Berserker976
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Did you read the quote? The members Cobra Unit explode when they die specifically so they don't leave a corpse behind. The bombs in them were designed to prevent that exact situation.
So yeah, the only one who died was Chico, now I refuse to believe the pilot died either.
"Hey Kojima, you sure we should kill Chico, one of the most important characters in Peace Walker and Ground Zeroes, in a rather unceremoniously way with none of the other characters caring, but everyone else in the chopper should survive?"
You don't disappear after you blow up, there's pieces and stuff left -_-
SandMan2233
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"From the writers of 'Mrs. Doubtfire,' comes the harrowing story of a one-man clean-up crew..."
"OH HEL-WHOOOOOOOO?!"
<Skull-Face sucks up a leaf covered shoulder into his vaccum cleaner>
"Mrs. Skull-Face."
A FILM DIRECTED BY HIDEO KOJIMA
Dear lawd, Quiet looks amazingIf you haven't seen the others
That's in the guide? I have the guide and don't recall reading that. Not doubting you, though.
That wiki page actually says Mosquito grew disillusioned with BB because he thought BB sold out Mother Base. The wiki says he thinks that because BB wasn't present during GZ. If Mosquito had accompanied BB on the GZ mission, he would know why BB was absent.
Berserker976
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Well then what the hell was the point of a bomb that wouldn't prevent the exact thing it's put in place to prevent!?
BreezyLimbo
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In hindsight, it's actually a pretty cool yet simple mechanic, having to identify what is causing the virus spreading around. First thing you'd look is at how they look...then stats....then languages. Someone going into it blind has to do detective work.
.....I'm watching the Giant Bomb playthrough of it, and that's one of the parts I"m most excited to see the player tackle since he's going in blind.
Man those 2D gifs are amazing.
Dunno, maybe they didn't think the cleaners would be that thorough lol?
Chico was hardly important in Peace Walker outside of the Monster Hunter stuff.
It was in GZ that he had any impact at all and after the Paz tapes I really don't give a shit that he died in the chopper tbh.
Dunno, maybe they didn't think the cleaners would be that thorough lol?
Ōkami;180224886 said:
Chico was hardly important in Peace Walker outside of the Monster Hunter stuff.
It was in GZ that he had any impact at all and after the Paz tapes I really don't give a shit that he died in the chopper tbh.
Exactly. I imagine the cleanup part of the job involved removing any leftover matter from the blown-up bodies.
Pretty shitty job to have. No wonder Skull Face was bitter, lol.
SandMan2233
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Yeah, I believe it is in the "Special" section in the back, if I'm remembering correctly. Could be somewhere else in there though... I'll give it a double-check look in a bit.
Drew's has already figured out the twist and hit a bear in the nuts. I'm sure he'll have fun with that part of the game.
It's a two-part solution. Bomb kills the man to avoid him falling into enemy hands, and the cleanup crew handles the rest.
If you haven't seen the others
really want a Phoenix Wright game done with MGS characters now. First case is Miller teaching Solid the ropes of lawyering, and the second case is solving Miller's murder
BreezyLimbo
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Yeah. True enough. But he has so much trouble navigating the menus. He'll be so damn lost.
That'd be a fun way to finally answer the question of whether Ocelot or Liquid killed Miller.
Watch, it turns out to be Drebin's shaved monkey in the diaper.
Berserker976
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No, it's not a two part solution! It's explicitly stated that the bomb was there to leave no corpse, same as the Frogs in MGS4.
I'm sorry, but how can you view Big Boss surviving MG1 as some huge plot hole that needed filing in and not consider this a plot hole? That is some damn impressive cognitive dissonance.
They didn't lie. The bomb leaves no corpse. Nothing immediately identifiable as a member of Cobra Unit. But I don't see how it's a gross retcon to say there was still a cleanup crew for the rest. Heck, it could be something as simple as cleaning up the area so it's not evident a bomb detonated in the first place.
dr3upmushroom
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nanomachine!
You gotta face it. Big boss is a big dirty pervert that is totes down with skeeving on some teen girls.
MGSV: The Phantom Payne
SandMan2233
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Actually, and I could be remembering this wrong, but didn't Code-Talker specifically mention remains of a Cobra member that used photosynthesis? Like, that was the first bits of remains he was given to study? Obviously that's The End, sure, and yeah, he's exploded like the rest.
But did we see his dentures explode?
THERE'S THE MISSING LINK.
Half-joking, but at this point that could very well have been it. Of course, that doesn't account for the others at all, but still, half-joking and whatnot.
Hellwarden
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I gotta be honest.
Even if you took out the confusing character motivation, and some of the weird issues it makes with continuity, I still don't think MGSV's story would be good. I still think it would be lame.
Part may be due to what I want from a Metal Gear Solid game. I'll be honest, other than the end of MGS2, I've never cared about the meta commentary of the series. Kojima planting butterfly kisses on my face, and telling me I'm Big Boss does nothing for me.
The reason I play the series is for the characters, and the character have never been so basic. To the point where the moments that are supposed to adhere us to them, come off really bizarre in contrast to the rest of the story.
Like the scene where Ocelot sees a soldier firing a gun like he used to, and points out how stupid that maneuver is.
And then he goes on to become the trenchcoat wearing revolver spinning idiot we love. This serious down to earth Ocelot doesn't make any sense.
Even if you took out the confusing character motivation, and some of the weird issues it makes with continuity, I still don't think MGSV's story would be good. I still think it would be lame.
Part may be due to what I want from a Metal Gear Solid game. I'll be honest, other than the end of MGS2, I've never cared about the meta commentary of the series. Kojima planting butterfly kisses on my face, and telling me I'm Big Boss does nothing for me.
The reason I play the series is for the characters, and the character have never been so basic. To the point where the moments that are supposed to adhere us to them, come off really bizarre in contrast to the rest of the story.
Like the scene where Ocelot sees a soldier firing a gun like he used to, and points out how stupid that maneuver is.
And then he goes on to become the trenchcoat wearing revolver spinning idiot we love. This serious down to earth Ocelot doesn't make any sense.
There's always gonna be rests of the person who exploded.
Hell, sometimes a bomb itself will leave parts of its mechanisms behind after exploding.
There's just no way to put a bomb in someone and have them leave absolutely nothing behind.
It is 100% plausible they recovered parts of the Cobras and gathered parasites from them.
I'm going for all the S-ranks of Chapter 1, and I've got them all except Hellbound, which I've been stuck at for hours.
I can perfect stealth all the way to Sahelanthropus with ease, and at that stage I get so fucking stuck it's ridiculous. The way this section is designed is just so, so poor. The idea is to draw him away from the chopper, hide, and then sneak back. But once he loses your scent, he sprints back to the chopper like a motherfucker and guards it, which utterly defeats the point of drawing him away.
So what the hell are you meant to do other than wait for a goddamn sandstorm? Someone please tell me there's a tactic here. I have no problem hiding from him, I have a problem getting back to the chopper before he runs back to it.
It is far easier to beat this guy in mission 31 (which I got first time on Extreme, too) than it is to hide from him. That just doesn't seem right.
I can perfect stealth all the way to Sahelanthropus with ease, and at that stage I get so fucking stuck it's ridiculous. The way this section is designed is just so, so poor. The idea is to draw him away from the chopper, hide, and then sneak back. But once he loses your scent, he sprints back to the chopper like a motherfucker and guards it, which utterly defeats the point of drawing him away.
So what the hell are you meant to do other than wait for a goddamn sandstorm? Someone please tell me there's a tactic here. I have no problem hiding from him, I have a problem getting back to the chopper before he runs back to it.
It is far easier to beat this guy in mission 31 (which I got first time on Extreme, too) than it is to hide from him. That just doesn't seem right.
Berserker976
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But my point is, why are you so willing to go through mental gymnastics to make such a blatant plot hole acceptable, but also say that Big Boss surviving his vague death in MG1 and returning in MG2 was something that needed to be further explained?
The way you keep presenting the events of MGSV makes me feel like I must have accidentally slept though 3/4s of the game. You keep extrapolating things that aren't really implied in the game itself. You're making the game more interesting in your head than it is in reality.
For example: In MGSV Eli has a grand total, in the entire game, of about 4 or 5 lines. How are we supposed to feel or know anything about him? How do you analyze something so insignificant?
I'll check what advice the guide has in a moment, but I just want to say this line made me laugh.
Agreed completely. MGS3 hit home so hard because of Snake, Eva, The Boss, Ocelot and Volgin. All super-memorable characters, all with seriously fascinating relationships with each other that mattered and developed at pace.
MGSV has absolutely nothing like this save for the bond between Quiet and Venom, which matters nothing to the overall plot of revenge against Skullface.
Wait, when did I say anything about Eli? I don't think I've even talked about him in this thread.
And all of the stuff about Skull Face's plans, etc, are explained in the game and reinforced by the guide. No extrapolation.
And I never said the multiple deaths of BB was ever something that -had- to be explained. I just like how they -did- explain it.
I also like the idea of XOF in Snake Eater and the way Cobra Unit worked. But I can understand some people preferring those things stay a mystery.
They weren't things that absolutely had to be explained, but the explanations they're given and the material in-game follow a logic that works.
Not much mental gymnastics needed. Where exactly were they going to get a bomb (in 1964) that not only blew the person up but also completely erased all traces of him? There was no such thing.
The bomb blows up and flesh and bones fly all over the place. Simple as that. The point was not to have a fully intact body for anyone to recover.
There is no plot hole there.
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Yeah, I was looking forward to this game because as the Big Boss finale, it should've wrapped up all these character's relationships with one another leading into the rest of the series. Hell, with MGS3 being my first MG game I played, I got invested in the series to see his story end and all I got was a sparkly turd and broken dreams.
There are two LZs. Send the chopper to the one you're not at; wait until he goes there, then call it back to the one you're at.
He can't get back in time.
1964 with jet platforms straight out of Johnny Quest and a guy that can go back into combat broken body parts and some light radiation
Leaving zero trace of a person would still not be an option by way of a bomb.
thebigmachine
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Just cleared it. Have 111 hours clocked in on steam (how many are idled?) . It was a great ride but started feeling a bit repetitive at the end. I would always tranq everyone until like the last 6-8 missions. It just didn't feel worth it. I also never built everything on MB to 4/4, felt like I never go enough materials. 70% done.
Is it ever explicitly explained who put up the posters at MB? All signs point to crazy Miller but it came off to me initially like it's taking slight at Phantom Boss.
Yeah Chico dying was pretty disappointing. I wanted to seem him become a real soldier with a S++ stat or something.
Also didn't it feel like the there weren't any real screwed up/grim moments in Phantom Pain compare to Ground Zeroes? Like all the shit Paz goes through was rough to listen to. But the tapes in PP seemed to never reach that level.
Is it ever explicitly explained who put up the posters at MB? All signs point to crazy Miller but it came off to me initially like it's taking slight at Phantom Boss.
Yeah Chico dying was pretty disappointing. I wanted to seem him become a real soldier with a S++ stat or something.
Also didn't it feel like the there weren't any real screwed up/grim moments in Phantom Pain compare to Ground Zeroes? Like all the shit Paz goes through was rough to listen to. But the tapes in PP seemed to never reach that level.
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I don't think it was intentional, just Huey tried to cover his ass after it happened. Huey didn't know radiation from the scanners or whatever could mutate the parasites so while he was trying to help (or feed his lust for knowledge) he ended up causing a second outbreak but kept deflecting and denying it because he didn't want people to dislike him even more.
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It'd be weird if Kaz was putting up the Paz posters, since he left her on bad terms in the GZ chopper.
What if it was, bear with me, a really good bomb
I wouldn't have minded the parasite retcons if they were limited to The End. He already had a weird symbiotic relationship with organisms living on his skin, parasites aren't much of a stretch from there. And they could have even sidestepped the issue of them harvesting material from his (completely destroyed) body by stating it was collected during his frequent deathlike comas.
This has probably been posted, but man, I would have done 70% less eye-rolling in this outfit -
Credit.
I actually think that's a good deal worse than her current outfit - it's not as practical as the Gray XOF fatigues while lacking the personality of the original's torn stockings. The original outfit with a crop top instead of the bikini and something other than a thong would have been okay - it'd still be impractical, but not as ridiculous as how her current one comes off as.
Making her more obviously inhuman would have helped as well - having her skin open up with obviously unnatural gaping pores whenever she 'drank' would have been a nice touch, for example.
At least in Raiden's case, it was more to do with the special attention Solidus gave him rather than his ~genetic superiority~. In retrospect, having him not be white might have been a better idea; they would have barely had to change anything in MGS2 beyond one of his nicknames, being voiced by Phil LaMarr instead of Flynn and having Ames mistake him for Fortune instead of Olga.
I wonder how different the reaction to Raiden would have been in the Western fanbase if that were the case...
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