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[KOMANI]

The movie Irreversible has a 10 min rape scene. It drives the characters' motivation to attempt revenge.
In MGSV, rape just felt like an addition not really needed. The soldier begins to violate Quiet at the moment she is believed to have drowned, which is borderline necrophilia. Much like everything else in the game, rape is an element thrown in with no real thought behind. Just a case of "everything but the kitchen sink".

 

[Barry Burton]

I humbly resubmit my uncreative idea:

Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | [EXTREME] Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO

That's actually really good, haha.

 

[KOMANI]

Or it can be :
|OT3| Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom Pain [Subsistence]

Where only people who haven't played/finished the game get to comment.

 

[Broken Joystick]

When did Kaz know about the plan? After he was rescued or at the end?

It has to be near the end, surely. He gets pissy and says something along the lines of "these past nine years, I guess everything was taken from me" then says "fuck you boss I'm gonna send your son to kill you".

at least that's how I interpreted it.

 

[Neiteio]

The movie Irreversible has a 10 min rape scene. It drives the characters' motivation to attempt revenge.
In MGSV, rape just felt like an addition not really needed. The soldier begins to violate Quiet at the moment she is believed to have drowned, which is borderline necrophilia. Much like everything else in the game, rape is an element thrown in with no real thought behind. Just a case of "everything but the kitchen sink".

I thought the rape in GZ was effective, for reasons I mentioned previously. The dramatic payoff was seeing how the two victims were affected in different but equally horrible ways.

It's ultimately a side note to the tale as a whole, but there's no obligation to always make rape the main focus wherever it appears. Sometimes it's just one of many, many horrible things that are taking place, and it can be treated matter-of-factly as such.

In this case, at least they showed the emotional fallout for the two victims, underscoring the human toll it took.

 

[Marty-esque]

The movie Irreversible has a 10 min rape scene. It drives the characters' motivation to attempt revenge.
In MGSV, rape just felt like an addition not really needed. The soldier begins to violate Quiet at the moment she is believed to have drowned, which is borderline necrophilia. Much like everything else in the game, rape is an element thrown in with no real thought behind. Just a case of "everything but the kitchen sink".

It actually does drive Quiet. She allowed herself to be captured, beaten, and drowned, but she finally defends herself when the soldier tries to rape her.


Is that the movie where they show a guys face get smashed with a fire extinguisher?

 

[Punished_Snake]

Not quite clear, but since Zero gave him his own little network to know when BB wake, he should have knew almost immediately (days after at much)

Did Zero tell Kaz about the plan? In the conversation, Zero informs Kaz that Big Boss is safe and he will need him when he wake up from the coma, that's what I remember and understand from the conversation.

 

[Neiteio]

Did Zero tell Kaz about the plan? In the conversation, Zero informs Kaz that Big Boss is safe and he will need him when he wake up from the coma, that's what I remember and understand from the conversation.

Zero didn't tell Kaz anything other than, "Big Boss is in a hospital, I'm not telling you where it is, but I've got an inside guy and when you receive the code, 'V Has Come To,' be ready to receive Big Boss back into the world. You are then free to do whatever you want."

There's also a lot of interplay between their personalities, making for a great tape, but the above summary is what Zero shared in terms of plans.

 

[wiibomb]

Did Zero tell Kaz about the plan? In the conversation, Zero informs Kaz that Big Boss is safe and he will need him when he wake up from the coma, that's what I remember and understand from the conversation.

I just heard that conversation again (I'm hearing the last tapes through the app) and he clearly said the plan to Kaz, in fact he said to Kaz to be prepared for when BB awakes, that he will give him part of his network for so and that the phrase will be "V has come to"

He just reserved to himself the location of BB and VS until they wake and inform Kaz

 

[KOMANI]

I thought the rape in GZ was effective, for reasons I mentioned previously. The dramatic payoff was seeing how the two victims were affected in different but equally horrible ways.

It's ultimately a side note to the tale as a whole, but there's no obligation to always make rape the main focus wherever it appears. Sometimes it's just one of many, many horrible things that are taking place, and it can be treated matter-of-factly as such.

In this case, at least they showed the emotional fallout for the two victims, underscoring the human toll it took.

the rape in GZ is different because it's a catalyst for Chico's character development and it helps shape who Skullface is as a villain.

It actually does drive Quiet. She allowed herself to be captured, beaten, and drowned, but she finally defends herself when the soldier tries to rape her.


Is that the movie where they show a guys face get smashed with a fire extinguisher?

Yes it's that movie.

I didn't get that at all. I got that she was captured like a damsel in distress, imprisoned, and then violated. The moment she comes to is when she gets her strength from the water instead of drowning in it, and goes on a killing spree on her captors. It's not needed because the same scenario is hinted on mother base. But let's say for argue ends sake that you're more in tune with the scene than I am, which is very plausible... The soldier is going to rape Quiet AFTER she's dead? That's what I don't get.

 

[The Silver]

It would make no sense for Kaz to know everything the whole time and yet super spy Ocelot has to hypnotize himself.

 

[Punished_Snake]

It has to be near the end, surely. He gets pissy and says something along the lines of "these past nine years, I guess everything was taken from me" then says "fuck you boss I'm gonna send your son to kill you".

at least that's how I interpreted it.

Yes, but maybe he knew before. Ocelot was hypothesized so he can't tell him the plan. So maybe that's explain why the conversation happened after the events of MGS V (once he left the hypnosis effect).

 

[Vampirolol]

I just finished the game, watched Mission 51 and overall loved the experience. I think that having zero expectations regarding story and not watching any trailer helped a lot, maybe people expected a anti-hero story a la Breaking Bad/The Godfather with Boss becoming the villain. The story isn't the best in the series but not even the worst and also ties very well with the other games, the whole Skullface ruining the world even after his death was pretty cool. The Emmerich story arc is probably the weakest (and useless) thing for me, while the Mantis meeting Liquid was interesting. Also, I finally saw what the hell happened to Zero and I like it.

Overall there's a lot of B-movie material here, from the bad guy looking like Nosferatu (born in Transylvania afterall), the vocal cord parasites and the whole clone thing, I can't help but like it.
The game really lacked a last badass bossfight though, too bad.

 

[KOMANI]

All Kaz knows is what Zero tells him.

Big Boss is safe.
Get the details from Ocelot, an old friend of the Boss.

That's it. Kaz isn't privy to Venom, or anything else. Just that Big Boss is in one of Cipher's safe houses ( Hospital).

 

[Darkangel]

I find it weird how Kojima made a game focused on "Race" and "Revenge," yet failed to bring up either Palestine/Israel or Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. They're both big examples of race-fueled revenge cycles (Zimbabwe and the white farmers, the multiple Arab-Israeli-Palestinian conflicts). The E3 2013 trailer made me think that Code Talker could be a Palestinian ("A wise man denied his homeland"), and the Diamond Dogs logo featured a Rhodesian Ridgeback. South Africa was mentioned in a tape about the PMCs, but the game never discussed Apartheid, nor the country's status as a Pariah State.

The only time I even remember "Race" being mentioned was when Ocelot talked about the the Soviets sending white Russians to fight the Mujaheddin.

 

[Neiteio]

the rape in GZ is different because it's a catalyst for Chico's character development and it helps shape who Skullface is as a villain.

So we're in agreement then, I think. I thought we were only talking about the GZ rape.

Which brings me to the one in TPP I somehow forgot:

Yes it's that movie.

I didn't get that at all. I got that she was captured like a damsel in distress, imprisoned, and then violated. The moment she comes to is when she gets her strength from the water instead of drowning in it, and goes on a killing spree on her captors. It's not needed because the same scenario is hinted on mother base. But let's say for argue ends sake that you're more in tune with the scene than I am, which is very plausible... The soldier is going to rape Quiet AFTER she's dead? That's what I don't get.

The water didn't revive Quiet. The water was drowning Quiet. She is revived when the soldier takes off her pants, allowing her to breathe through her legs. Watch the scene again -- she's "smothered" in head-to-toe clothing and then dunked in water, and she drowns, but when the soldier unzips and removes her pants, she breathes again, and proceeds to kill everyone while pantsless.

 

[Matt]

Right. It's all ideas. Taped together like the Holy Roman Empire pre-Bismarck.

The HRE ceased to exist 9 years before Bismarck was born.

...yeah, I don't know why, I just needed to say that.

 

[Chinner]

kojima said anything can be canon.

my name canon, i stop playing mgsv and play witcher 3. turns out geralt is not big boss, but he is fucking boss.

 

[Neiteio]

I find it weird how Kojima made a game focused on "Race" and "Revenge," yet failed to bring up either Palestine/Israel or Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. They're both big examples of race-fueled revenge cycles (Zimbabwe and the white farmers, the multiple Arab-Israeli-Palestinian conflicts). The E3 2013 trailer made me think that Code Talker could be a Palestinian ("A wise man denied his homeland"), and the Diamond Dogs logo featured a Rhodesian Ridgeback. South Africa was mentioned in a tape about the PMCs, but the game never discussed Apartheid, nor the country's status as a Pariah State.

The only time I even remember "Race" being mentioned was when Ocelot talked about the the Soviets sending white Russians to fight the Mujaheddin.

I've said before, with the way the final story shaped up, Ch. 2 should've had the intended Ch. 3 name, "Peace." It would be used ironically, as in, "The peace they're trying to find now that their revenge is fulfilled and they have no one left to hate." Because that's more or less the source of paranoia and frustration that loosely ties together the vignettes that make up Ch. 2, which is like a short story collection -- an epilogue or falling action to Ch. 1's standalone conflict.

 

[Graphics Horse]

I humbly resubmit my uncreative idea:

Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | [EXTREME] Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO.

I totally missed the joke until someone quoted you, verrry goood.

 

[Chariot]

The HRE ceased to exist 9 years before Bismarck was born.

...yeah, I don't know why, I just needed to say that.

Fair enough, half my methapor was redundant. Thanks for telling me.

 

[akidnamededdy]

I didn't get that at all. I got that she was captured like a damsel in distress, imprisoned, and then violated. The moment she comes to is when she gets her strength from the water instead of drowning in it, and goes on a killing spree on her captors. It's not needed because the same scenario is hinted on mother base. But let's say for argue ends sake that you're more in tune with the scene than I am, which is very plausible... The soldier is going to rape Quiet AFTER she's dead? That's what I don't get.

Are you talking about when she shoves the knife in the guy's mouth at Mother Base? She was doing that because she knew he was infected. Nobody tried to rape her there, before or after.

And what don't you get about the soldier raping her after she's dead? It's uh....it's....probably easier to do...that way.

The water didn't revive Quiet. The water was drowning Quiet. She is revived when the soldier takes off her pants, allowing her to breathe through her legs. Watch the scene again -- she's "smothered" in head-to-toe clothing and then dunked in water, and she drowns, but when the soldier unzips and removes her pants, she breathes again, and proceeds to kill everyone while pantsless.

Really, if she doesn't breathe normally then it can't really be said that she drowns. Or that attempting to drown her like that (just submerging her head and face) would even work. But yeah, she wakes up when she loses the pants.

 

[Punished_Snake]

I just heard that conversation again (I'm hearing the last tapes through the app) and he clearly said the plan to Kaz, in fact he said to Kaz to be prepared for when BB awakes, that he will give him part of his network for so and that the phrase will be "V has come to"

He just reserved to himself the location of BB and VS until they wake and inform Kaz

So Kaz knew but when did the conversation between him and Ocelot happen in the truth ending? If it did happen sometime after the events of MGS V, the only explanation for it is Ocelot talked to him about it after he was no longer hypothesized.

 

[Neiteio]

Really, if she doesn't breathe normally then it can't really be said that she drowns. Or that attempting to drown her like that (just submerging her head and face) would even work. But yeah, she wakes up when she loses the pants.

She breathes through her skin. When she's fully clothed and her head is fully submerged, none of her skin is exposed to the air. They clearly show her "die" in this scene, and it's when you hear them remove her pants (after which her legs are exposed) that she can breathe again.

Look, I'm not saying it's not stupid -- it's REALLY stupid -- but I'm just saying it follows the internal logic they created for how Quiet breathes.

 

[Kazuhira]

I think it would be cool if they let us play the 1st half with Venom and the 2nd half with big boss.
Venom meets Liquid and BB meets Solid.

 

[Solobbos]

The birthday scene is so sad lol

the creepy laughs

the (continued) sexual tension between Ocelot and VS

the weird song

the terrible sound of an audience clapping when there's like three guys

bravo

It also shows that Quiet can communicate with VS by writing. Why didn't she do it at any other part of the game? Or have Code Talker translate her speech?

 

[Neiteio]

Really, if she doesn't breathe normally then it can't really be said that she drowns. Or that attempting to drown her like that (just submerging her head and face) would even work. But yeah, she wakes up when she loses the pants.

Also, to follow up on my last post, they say in the tapes that completely submerging Quiet will drown her. She needs to be exposed to air.

 

[WGMBY]

I just listened to one of the Ocelot/Code Talker tapes, where they discuss the Cobra Unity (not by name of course).

Holy shit people weren't kidding when they said parasites are the new nanomachines.

On one hand I guess it's nice that they wanted to tie up every loose end, but ffs it's okay to have some mystical or unexplained things in a game. We've got fucking robots being controlled by telekinesis, we don't need an explanation for people spitting bees or surviving via photosynthesis.

I dunno, for me it makes it less interesting to know that every strange ability has a boring scientific explanation.

 

[akidnamededdy]

She breathes through her skin. When she's fully clothed and her head is fully submerged, none of her skin is exposed to the air. They clearly show her "die" in this scene, and it's when you hear them remove her pants (after which her legs are exposed) that she can breathe again.

Look, I'm not saying it's not stupid -- it's REALLY stupid -- but I'm just saying it follows the internal logic they created for how Quiet breathes.

Also, to follow up on my last post, they say in the tapes that completely submerging Quiet will drown her. She needs to be exposed to air.

None of what I said was disagreeing with you, lol.

 

[Neiteio]

I just listened to one of the Ocelot/Code Talker tapes, where they discuss the Cobra Unity (not by name of course).

Holy shit people weren't kidding when they said parasites are the new nanomachines.

On one hand I guess it's nice that they wanted to tie up every loose end, but ffs it's okay to have some mystical or unexplained things in a game. We've got fucking robots being controlled by telekinesis, we don't need an explanation for people spitting bees or surviving via photosynthesis.

I dunno, for me it makes it less interesting to know that every strange ability has a boring scientific explanation.

There are actually some things still not explained. Like we don't know exactly how parasites would factor into the Sorrow. And they never really explain the powers of Volgin/Man on Fire.

 

[wiibomb]

So Kaz knew but when did the conversation between him and Ocelot happen in the truth ending? If it did happen sometime after the events of MGS V, the only explanation for it is Ocelot talked to him about it after he was no longer hypothesized.

it was before the events of MGSV, no? can't hear the tape since I don't know where it was, but as I remember Kaz was debating if he was going to go on with the ruse.

 

[Neiteio]

None of what I said was disagreeing with you, lol.

Ah, I saw the line that said "it can't be said how she drowns," and I was pointing out it can.

Either way, no big deal, 'tis all fun.

 

[Graphics Horse]

I just listened to one of the Ocelot/Code Talker tapes, where they discuss the Cobra Unity (not by name of course).

Holy shit people weren't kidding when they said parasites are the new nanomachines.

On one hand I guess it's nice that they wanted to tie up every loose end, but ffs it's okay to have some mystical or unexplained things in a game. We've got fucking robots being controlled by telekinesis, we don't need an explanation for people spitting bees or surviving via photosynthesis.

I dunno, for me it makes it less interesting to know that every strange ability has a boring scientific explanation.

Yup. I don't understand who those tapes are written for. They're a slog to listen through as it is.

 

[KOMANI]

So we're in agreement then, I think. I thought we were only talking about the GZ rape.

Which brings me to the one in TPP I somehow forgot:


The water didn't revive Quiet. The water was drowning Quiet. She is revived when the soldier takes off her pants, allowing her to breathe through her legs. Watch the scene again -- she's "smothered" in head-to-toe clothing and then dunked in water, and she drowns, but when the soldier unzips and removes her pants, she breathes again, and proceeds to kill everyone while pantsless.

Ah... Ok. That makes more sense. Very Good. I have less of a problem with it now.

Are you talking about when she shoves the knife in the guy's mouth at Mother Base? She was doing that because she knew he was infected. Nobody tried to rape her there, before or after.

And what don't you get about the soldier raping her after she's dead? It's uh....it's....probably easier to do...that way.



Really, if she doesn't breathe normally then it can't really be said that she drowns. Or that attempting to drown her like that (just submerging her head and face) would even work. But yeah, she wakes up when she loses the pants.

I know she doesn't get raped, but to Miller's knowledge, it is alluded. But I really shouldn't have brought it up because it was good forshadowing.
Btw, the statement in bold is the best thing I've heard all day.

 

[Graphics Horse]

There are actually some things still not explained. Like we don't know exactly how parasites would factor into the Sorrow. And they never really explain the powers of Volgin/Man on Fire.

He's in a really angry coma. Microwaves.

 

[Punished_Snake]

it was before the events of MGSV, no? can't hear the tape since I don't know where it was, but as I remember Kaz was debating if he was going to go on with the ruse.

It isn't a tape, it is the last part of the truth ending:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdwRX7ejEU

Kaz ask Ocelot : "What was all it for?"

Is this a reference to the hospital scene or all the events of MGS V?

Edit: Kaz: "nine years ago, I thought everything has been taken from me"

So maybe it's after the hospital scene?

 

[Neiteio]

It isn't a tape, it is the last part of the truth ending:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdwRX7ejEU

Kaz ask Ocelot : "What was all it for?"

Is this a reference to the hospital scene or all the events of MGS V?

I understood that as Kaz saying, "What were all of our struggles for if it wasn't the real BB?"

 

[Opto]

It isn't a tape, it is the last part of the truth ending:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdwRX7ejEU

Kaz ask Ocelot : "What was all it for?"

Is this a reference to the hospital scene or all the events of MGS V?

Edit: Kaz: "nine years ago, I thought everything has been taken from me"

So maybe it's after the hospital scene?

Why the fuck does Ocelot know what will happen. That's some dumb shit. This is the worst post credits dialog in all of Metal Gear

 

[Punished_Snake]

I understood that as Kaz saying, "What were all of our struggles for if it wasn't the real BB?"

Yes, but I'm trying to figure out when did the conversation happen. Now, I think it was after the hospital scene.

Edit1: Or before the hospital scene, because Kaz was a prisoner in Afghanistan after the hospital scene.

Edit 2: It's possible that Ocelot and Kaz conversation happen after Skull Face death and the events of MGS V. Skull Face died in 1984.

 

[Chakra_Khan]

The movie Irreversible has a 10 min rape scene. It drives the characters' motivation to attempt revenge.
In MGSV, rape just felt like an addition not really needed. The soldier begins to violate Quiet at the moment she is believed to have drowned, which is borderline necrophilia. Much like everything else in the game, rape is an element thrown in with no real thought behind. Just a case of "everything but the kitchen sink".

Weird. I was gonna bring up that film. No other form of media, to this day, has elicited a greater reaction from me than irreversible when it comes to the topic of rape. Those 15 mins were blood curdling.

 

[Darkangel]

I just listened to one of the Ocelot/Code Talker tapes, where they discuss the Cobra Unity (not by name of course).

Holy shit people weren't kidding when they said parasites are the new nanomachines.

On one hand I guess it's nice that they wanted to tie up every loose end, but ffs it's okay to have some mystical or unexplained things in a game. We've got fucking robots being controlled by telekinesis, we don't need an explanation for people spitting bees or surviving via photosynthesis.

I dunno, for me it makes it less interesting to know that every strange ability has a boring scientific explanation.

MGS1 had a fairly "grounded" (compared to later games) near-future scifi world where things like psychics and shamans happened to actually be real. If I recall, Psycho Mantis says something along the lines of "I'm the most powerful practitioner of psychokinesis and telepathy in the world," which implies that psychics are fairly common (the DARPA chief also had implants to protect against telepathy).

MGS2 started to expand the supernatural umbrella with vampires (Vamp) and ghosts (Liquid). MGS3 took things even further by introducing things that weren't even from real life mythology (A man that could somehow control electricity, a man that could do photosynthesis, and a man that was made of bees or something).

Ever since MGS4 it seems like Kojima has wanted to backpedal on the supernatural elements. Vamp just had nanomachines, Liquid's ghost was just nanomachines/hypnotism, the Cobra members all had parasites, etc..

 

[Neiteio]

Yes, but I'm trying to figure out when did the conversation happen. Now, I think it was after the hospital scene.

Edit1: Or before the hospital scene, because Kaz was a prisoner in Afghanistan after the hospital scene.

Edit 2: It's possible that Ocelot and Kaz conversation happen after Skull Face death and the events of MGS V. Skull Face died in 1984.

The credits conversation takes place after Mission 46, which is set at the end of Ch. 2. It takes place at some point in the near future after everything you experienced in the game.

 

[BadWolf]

The water didn't revive Quiet. The water was drowning Quiet. She is revived when the soldier takes off her pants, allowing her to breathe through her legs. Watch the scene again -- she's "smothered" in head-to-toe clothing and then dunked in water, and she drowns, but when the soldier unzips and removes her pants, she breathes again, and proceeds to kill everyone while pantsless.

Water does heal her though, during her boss fight she goes to the waterfall to heal. And in that mission 45 scene she does look dehydrated.

Don't think you're wrong though, it was probably a combination of both receiving water and getting her skin exposed.

 

[Neiteio]

Water does heal her though, during her boss fight she goes to the waterfall to heal. And in that mission 45 scene she does look dehydrated.

Don't think you're wrong though, it was probably a combination of both receiving water and getting her skin exposed.

The tapes say that some water is good for her but complete submersion (meaning going completely under) will drown her since she breathes through her skin.

 

[Punished_Snake]

The credits conversation takes place after Mission 46, which is set at the end of Ch. 2. It takes place at some point in the near future after everything you experienced in the game.

I agree.

 

[BadWolf]

The tapes say that some water is good for her but complete submersion (meaning going completely under) will drown her since she breathes through her skin.

Yeah except she wasn't completely submerged since her neck and some of her chest area were still out of the water, and the hands. It was the head that he was mainly dunking.

Which is why imo it was a combination of both water and exposed skin.

 

[wiibomb]

I understood that as Kaz saying, "What were all of our struggles for if it wasn't the real BB?"

it might be that way, since before the events of MGSV Kaz was far away being tortured and mutilated, and since ocelot knows BB plan, then he must be awaken to tell ocelot about it.

so yeah, it might have been after the events of TPP

Why the fuck does Ocelot know what will happen. That's some dumb shit. This is the worst post credits dialog in all of Metal Gear

oh boo hoo, I can't understand a dialog so it is shit...

the point was to foreshadow what is going to happen, and how it could happen since there were going to build it not that he magically sees the future.

these people, geez...

 

[Ishida]

Why the fuck does Ocelot know what will happen. That's some dumb shit. This is the worst post credits dialog in all of Metal Gear

Yeah, the whole "very accurate foreshadowing" was just plain stupid. During the whole conversation between Kaz and Ocelot I was like:

 

[Neiteio]

UPDATE: Never mind, I'm a dumbass. What I overlooked is Kaz tries questioning her when the bag is no longer on her head. The bag prevents the parasites from spreading in the event she does answer the questions. Ocelot specifically says "Put it back" and points to the bag, and Kaz is insisting that just asking for a name won't hurt. It makes sense now — false alarm.

OK, I'm watching one of my favorite scenes, the Quiet torture scene, and I hope I'm overlooking something because I just noticed what looks like a huge flaw.

The following is paraphrased:

Ocelot is torturing Quiet, trying to get her to talk.

Kaz walks in: "Any luck?"

Ocelot: "She's living up to her name."

Kaz (to Quiet): "Why don't you just drop the act. Tell us who sent you."

Ocelot interjects: "No, don't make her talk!" (implying the parasites)

Kaz responds: "I just want a name."


My question is: If Ocelot is insisting Quiet shouldn't talk... why is he torturing her to -make- her talk?

I'm really wracking my brain trying to find an answer. I really like this scene (boob shots aside) and don't want it ruined by a glaring writing oversight. :-\

Yeah except she wasn't completely submerged since her neck and some of her chest area were still out of the water, and the hands. It was the head that he was mainly dunking.

Which is why imo it was a combination of both water and exposed skin.

It seems like she needs large swathes of skin to be exposed -- the more skin, the better -- hence why she was barely breathing when she staggered out of the shed (with only her head exposed) and she was barely breathing enough to live with just her neck exposed.

It does seem like she was seeking out the water, though, since she staggered over to it. Like you said, she probably wanted some water for nourishment.

 

[Opto]

oh boo hoo, I can't understand a dialog so it is shit...

the point was to foreshadow what is going to happen, and how it could happen since there were going to build it not that he magically sees the future.

these people, geez...

I understand it perfectly. They're two guys saying stuff we already know, adding nothing to the story, unlike every other post credits scene. You can't foreshadow something that's already happened. Kaz says he'll support one son and the phantom just to defeat the boss. Well okay, one part of that turned out true. Ocelot says he'll support the other. Why? It's just dialog to barely connect the cut-off story to MGSV to MG 1 2 and Solid.