Future PhaZe
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I didn't say it'd work. I'm just suggesting this is how it might be done, if it were ever done.
Certainly not a door to door search with armed military.
Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon
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I didn't say it'd work. I'm just suggesting this is how it might be done, if it were ever done.
Certainly not a door to door search with armed military.
I still feel that it would slow things down drastically, compared to the current pace we are on. And at this point any progress seems like good progress. Even if we reach a point where we say "no more guns for citizens" this stuff would still happen / be a possibility
ShockingAlberto
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People without empathy can have close friends? Huh.
CNN reported that the gunman posted "something online".
Get yourself assessed, if you are actually a Narcissist as I suspect, it might be worth knowing so you know exactly why you ostracized everyone in your life.
OldAsUrSock
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I haven't seen any world data on that, though it wouldnt surpise me that there would be more mass shootings since shootings basically require a gun. What should be looked at are mass murders with or without guns on a global level. What matters is the elimination of homicides which has to do with the human mental condition not the tools used to carry out such crimes.
Yeah, none of those activities you listed I see as legitimate. Why not ban guns, and have EXTREMELY narrow carve-outs for say hunting, if it is truly your only food source.
The tyranny thing is such bullshit. As is hunting - enjoy your sport while people die daily.
mysocksarepink
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What is that r9k board he posted on about ?
Yea, I understand. I was just using your post to make a wider point, not really addressing everything towards what you said. I am in agreement with the spirit of your post. Basically: the "you" wasn't you personally. Sorry if it came out like that.
That people are really that paranoid so to amass arsenals and refuse legislation, yet ironically not paranoid enough about what is already happening is a heavy disconnect for me with most gun nuts.
I'm actually very well liked with many people
You act like we don't change the constitution as the world changes around us.
TheLostBigBoss
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He's alive so I'm sure he'll say something, or at least have something written down.
Not that we should really care tbh, just more spotlight that encourages copy cats
Alpha Phoenix
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Fuck this shit. Seriously. How much more blood until someone deigns to do something about this?
Warm Machine
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No. It lessens the chances of it happening significantly.
Honestly it's so hard to tell who's joking sometimes that I often end up just not responding even after I've typed out a reply.
Future PhaZe
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smh
my post was meant as just a way that the government would carry out the action, not the political infighting and loopholes that would have to be climbed over first, its just a what if proposition on the execution
Veritigo_X
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I feel like gun owners are praying for this to happen with how much they talk about it.
Pai Pai Master
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Fuck off with that, guns aren't a potential risk. They are proven every day with atrocities like this.
Exceptions can and should be made when thousands of people lose their lives to these things on a regular basis.
Laws need to be changed to keep up with the times. When they wrote the constitution and made it a right for people to own guns to defend themselves against a tyrannical government, they were talking about fucking muskets and shit, not the kind of thing that can mow down a class full of children within minutes.
hahahaha, do people really think like this? Is that worth all the shootings that are actually happening?
diffusionx
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Just like the other amendments, the 2nd is open to interpretation. Actually the 2nd might be more open than the rest, because it's the most confusingly written and the most vague one. The idea that the 2nd amendment gives everyone an unfettered right to own the gun they want with no restrictions is both very new and very extreme.
lol
And shit will never change. Except I'm not on the side of the things that are murdering people, and you are.
And you have to live with that.
minor effort
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Question for people who like guns, or think guns are cool: Why do you like guns? Why do you think guns are cool?
At the very least, are you not deeply conflicted with your love for guns? Do you think guns are supposed to be fun toys?
At the very least, are you not deeply conflicted with your love for guns? Do you think guns are supposed to be fun toys?
Damerman
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Apparently new jersey passed a law that made it illegal to buy or sell guns that don't have a kind of mechanism that prevents unauthorized users from firing it. Cops don't fall under this restriction (which is utter bullshit), but
i see this as the most viable solution.
I understand it seems unreasonable, but this is literally the only option i see that can get most americans on board, despite NRA nuts.
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
See this is the one repeating argument I just don't understand. You think your 9mm pistol is going to keep you safe from drones and F-35s? Get real, the entire armed population of America would last like 15 minutes against the most powerful military in the history of humankind. Don't be fucking ridiculous, what a stupid, stupid argument.
It's absurd. The mental gymnastics involved in thinking some redneck fuck with a few guns would last longer than 5 seconds against a trained soldier with the US Military behind him is beyond ridiculous.
We don't do it very often, and you're never going to get 2/3 of the Congress and 3/4 of the states to get rid of anything in the Bill of Rights.
WayneMorse
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Are you in sixth grade?
1. The 4 chan post, it's nothing. There's no one to report it to and nothing to do with it if it was reported. Basically "some stuff might happen somewhere", it's just not useful.
2. Can we lay off the guy who mentioned the riot situation? I'm sure more than a few of us would prefer to have a gun when something like Katrina happens.
3. Gun bans, won't happen and it's not constructive to discuss them. They're like a liberal version of Trump's send them out and let them back in again immigration platform.
4. There needs to be political will on both sides of the issue( gun rights vs gun control) for something to happen. But the way the sides are entrenched right now, it's not likely.
Any sort of gun control should be based in data and reality, not OMG that gun is scary, which so much of it is based in.
5. The US is not Australia, Sweden, Europe etc, and what works there is not likely to be feasible here.
6. Shootings are actually happening less and less and the likelihood of being shot, or there being a shooting is less and less. And they effect a very small amount of people compare to a million other issues that are more important for your average person. Large amounts of "average people" aren't effected or threatened by these enough for this to be an issue that will cause change.
2. Can we lay off the guy who mentioned the riot situation? I'm sure more than a few of us would prefer to have a gun when something like Katrina happens.
3. Gun bans, won't happen and it's not constructive to discuss them. They're like a liberal version of Trump's send them out and let them back in again immigration platform.
4. There needs to be political will on both sides of the issue( gun rights vs gun control) for something to happen. But the way the sides are entrenched right now, it's not likely.
Any sort of gun control should be based in data and reality, not OMG that gun is scary, which so much of it is based in.
5. The US is not Australia, Sweden, Europe etc, and what works there is not likely to be feasible here.
6. Shootings are actually happening less and less and the likelihood of being shot, or there being a shooting is less and less. And they effect a very small amount of people compare to a million other issues that are more important for your average person. Large amounts of "average people" aren't effected or threatened by these enough for this to be an issue that will cause change.
Exactly. Why outlaw murder? Murderers don't care.
3. Gun bans aren't constructive to discuss? What? You mean not constructive to your own personal point of view. Are you really trying to just saying it's something nobody should even talk about? You're like a cartoon version of an American when you say stuff like that. Also good job on comparing it to something that has absolutely nothing to do with it, and is especially coming from someone with a completely different ideology. You might as well compare vegetarians to Hitler because they don't think all food should be food.
4. The data definitely supports the anti-gun folks, and countries that have banned guns exist and have been extremely successful. Give us those figures that say otherwise.
5. Look at the Daily Show piece where Jon Oliver went to Australia to see how they dealt with their guns. The situation used to be pretty much the same there as it is now in the US. America is not some magical fairly land. If it really is the home of the free, it should be easier there.
6. Read that sentence back. Really carefully. Think about what you wrote. I guess kids regularly dying over gun violence isn't something worth worrying about, because they haven't reached a certain magical number before it becomes an 'issue'? Is it only something worth worrying about when it threatens you or your family directly?
Your list was weird man.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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Amory
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I don't think most people want to "ban" guns. Or at the very least most people recognize that that isn't going to happen.
But you should have to undergo a psych evaluation as part of getting a gun license. You shouldn't be able to go to a gun show and buy a gun without a background check just because it's a gun show. Once you have a license, it should have to be renewed regularly (with another psych evaluation and background check), etc. etc.
This is common sense.
Fine Ham Abounds
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The second amendment has been modified in the same way the first has been. There's nothing preventing further interpretation or adjustments.
The issue would be outright repealing it. Once you've set a precedent that the government has a right to repeal something in the Bill of Rights, something which is supposed to be a list of things no government has a right to deny a human being, things could get ugly.
Or so the argument goes. I don't know how sure I am that anyone would have the balls to go after the 1st, but who knows.
OldAsUrSock
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Now that's a libertarian paradise!
Have you even seen Red Dawn? That's like, real life man.
The fuck? No. You extrapolated the complete opposite point somehow.
Reforming and improving our mental healthcare system would absolutely have a demonstrable, positive impact on curtailing mass shootings. But it's also a much more time-intensive and resources-intensive initiative than, say, implementing universal backgrounds or databases. That's why the gun lobby and conservatives will point to mental health reform over gun control as a response to these situations -- because they know it's right, they know there's no opposition to the fact that mental health needs an overhaul, but they also know it would be a much bigger and time-consuming endeavor than simple gun control measures. Instead of worrying about how we can avoid this next week, it's worry about how we can stop this 10 years from now -- all the while gun access and mass shootings remain undeterred for the weeks, months, and years in between.
zeopower6
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I think it's kind of an offshoot of the 'random' (/b/, do NOT go there) board on 4chan. I don't really know what r9000 was meant to stand for.
davepoobond
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heard about this on the radio. really sad.
let me remind you people are supporting a Trump presidency.
let me remind you people are supporting a Trump presidency.
So sick of this argument.
The Constitution is not infallible. It is not some magical piece of paper that is always right. Gun ownership was a very different thing 200 years ago.
No responsible owner thinks that. They take handling and storage very, very seriously. At a proper range, if you don't follow the rules, they throw your ass out. They're not toys. There's a subset of gun owners that probably think they are. The same types that take selfies with them aiming at a mirror or whatever. These people wouldn't have firearms if they were more traceable and required more training/licensing/storage etc...
I think we're taking an issue that - in the rare instance- IS ACTUALLY FUCKING BLACK AND WHITE. And we've added all of this unnecessary nuance and perspective that has clouded the real facts here.
SocksAndShoes
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This is a terrible argument that keeps getting repeated. Sigh.
Guns are made to kill and maim. That is their only purpose. Banning things that only kill and maim is completely understandable.
Also I highly doubt you're in the service of a "well regulated militia."
It's for 'robots' (depressed/awkward people) to post on.
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