Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon

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RIP to the victms. :(

Also, ban your darn guns America. This will keep happening over and over again till you do something about it.

If I saw a person carrying a gun in public I would most likely run the fuck away from that person.
 
Kama_1082 said:
Because a gun saved my life. I was car jacked coming home from the shooting range and was shot. I shot him back a few times and was stopped in his tracks. If I didn't shoot him I would be dead right now.


I don't conceal carry any more and I only use my shotgun for dove hunting and a rifle for the occasional feral hog hunting every so often as well as target shooting competitions.
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Congratulations, you are statistically insignificant outlier. And you could also invert your story - "my life was endangered because guns are far too readily available to criminals." In fact, statistically you're far more likely to be the victim than save yourself.

Owning a gun is statistically FAR more dangerous than not owning a gun. So "saved my life" is not only a bad excuse, it's a statistically incorrect one.

And we'd actually HAVE better data (and likely worse statistics) if it wasn't for the fact that politicians (from both sides of the aisle, but mostly you-know-what) annually fight to defund or toherwise restrict the CDC's ability to properly track gun deaths and injuries, specifically. Your politicians literally don't want you to know how dangerous guns are.

AmyS said:
Fuck, fuck :(

Every 2-3 weeks.

May they RIP.
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Nope More than once per day, on average.
 
Something has to be done and yet it never will.

Just get used to it folks. Every other week more lives lost in mass shootings. Disgusting
 
CNN is talking about the 4chan thread now. Their police analyst says that it's possible this was caused by them cheering him on.
 
Piggus said:
That's why I feel we need laws that keep guns in safe hands, not laws that strip them away from everyone.
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Unfortunately, you can't even suggest the former without gun rights advocates insisting you mean the latter.

skylenorman said:
CNN is talking about the 4chan thread now. Their police analyst says that it's possible this was caused by them cheering him on.
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It's inevitable, even people in this thread don't seem to understand how 4chan works. There will always be some post in every 4chan thread that says "do it fgt" or "tits or gtfo". It's just trolls trolling trolls. Without a very specific threat to go after it's a complete and utter waste of time.
 
Stinkles said:
Congratulations, you are statistically insignificant outlier. And you could also invert your story - "my life was endangered because guns are far too readily available to criminals." In fact, statistically you're far more likely to be the victim than save yourself.

Owning a gun is statistically FAR more dangerous than not owning a gun. So "saved my life" is not only a bad excuse, it's a statistically incorrect one.
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Well, yeah no doubt. I'll agre with you there.
 
Htown said:
No, it's not infallible, but it does carry more legal power than anything else in the United States. If you pass a law that the Supreme Court thinks goes against the Constitution, it is invalidated.

When someone says "it's a Constitutional right", that's not just a theoretical or cultural argument (though there is that aspect), it's a recognition that because of the legal status of the Constitution you have a limited amount of wiggle room.
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Limited wiggle room? All the rights in the Constitution have some kind of limit or exception. You could add such limits to the second amendment if you really wanted to without changing the entire thing.
 
PantherLotus said:
Brian Williams on NBC calling this a 'mass casualty event.'
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Yeah, this is the kind of shit that almost subconsciously normalizes gun violence, even while reporting on stomach-churning acts of it.

The large, large majority of guns are made, marketed, and purchased for the purpose of firing them at other people. This basic fact is constantly, consistently, softened. We use terms like "protection" and "Safety" when referring to why we make the decision to buy a tool of murder, because those substitutions and euphemisms make it a lot easier to justify the decision we're almost certainly not mentally prepared to process or cope with should we actually use the tool as intended.

"A mass casualty event" is part of that softening. Hell, even referring to it as a "tool" and removing the context of that tool's intended use (to shoot people) is part of that softening.

We don't, as a country, immediately think of guns as murder weapons. We think that murder weapons CAN be guns, but that guns aren't, by default, murder weapons. But 99% of the time, they are. The murder is sometimes justified, sure. But it's still a murder. And we don't process gun ownership in those terms. We think of guns as tools of protection, when they're largely not. We think of guns as tools of entertainment, and they're often that.

But until we really process the fact that these ever-present, mass-produced tools of murder are just that: tools whose intended use are for killing other things, we're not going to start advocating for the change we need.
 
Piggus said:
They're a fun hobby as long as they're in the right hands and safety is a top priority. It's hard to understand unless you've grown up with them or go shooting a lot in the same way that it's hard for some people to understand videogames without playing them. Target shooting is fun. Hunting is a great way to experience the outdoors and spend time with family or friends. Unfortunately guns are sometimes not in the right hands, and some people don't take safety seriously. That's why I feel we need laws that keep guns in safe hands, not laws that strip them away from everyone.
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Yeah, I'm at the point that if you own a gun for a fucking "fun hobby" then I think that's kind of disgusting. And its nothing like videogames. And there's no such thing as "safe hands" - everyone is responsible, and awesome, and treats guns seriously - until they aren't and are shooting up a school
 
Piggus said:
They're a fun hobby as long as they're in the right hands and safety is a top priority. It's hard to understand unless you've grown up with them or go shooting a lot in the same way that it's hard for some people to understand videogames without playing them. Target shooting is fun. Hunting is a great way to experience the outdoors and spend time with family or friends. Unfortunately guns are sometimes not in the right hands, and some people don't take safety seriously. That's why I feel we need laws that keep guns in safe hands, not laws that strip them away from everyone.
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I agree, although I'd argue that fishing is a much better (and safer) way to experience the outdoors and spend time with friends and family.
 
timetokill said:
Huh, so you think an armed, well-connected American populace would last 15 minutes, while US forces can't even destroy stone age cave dwellers with guns in the middle east? That's pretty interesting.

And you also think the military would just feel perfectly fine about turning their weapons on their friends and families? Or how about on veterans?

And you think that nobody in the military believes that personal gun ownership is a basic right?

And you think that the military would have no problem just rolling into residential areas and blowing the shit out of homes? Or in your imagination do they just throw another amendment out and just do random searches and seizures?

Do you think the media would just happily go along and say, hey, everything is cool, do what the government says? While meanwhile online there are nonstop cell phone recordings of the military gunning down innocent people?

I mean, these are the things you have to believe if you feel that such a conflict would not only be over in 15 minutes, but be won by the US government at all.
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These are all tangential to my specific point. The idea of it actually happening is of course, ridiculous, for many of the reasons you point out. My point is that the constantly repeated rhetoric of paranoid gun fanatics that believe the "gubmint is gunna get 'em" and they could actually WIN because they own a few handguns is equally ridiculous.
 
timetokill said:
Huh, so you think an armed, well-connected American populace would last 15 minutes, while US forces can't even destroy stone age cave dwellers with guns in the middle east? That's pretty interesting.

And you also think the military would just feel perfectly fine about turning their weapons on their friends and families? Or how about on veterans?

And you think that nobody in the military believes that personal gun ownership is a basic right?

And you think that the military would have no problem just rolling into residential areas and blowing the shit out of homes? Or in your imagination do they just throw another amendment out and just do random searches and seizures?

Do you think the media would just happily go along and say, hey, everything is cool, do what the government says? While meanwhile online there are nonstop cell phone recordings of the military gunning down innocent people?

I mean, these are the things you have to believe if you feel that such a conflict would not only be over in 15 minutes, but be won by the US government at all.
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You are living in a fantasy. Holy shit.
 
Stinkles said:
Congratulations, you are statistically insignificant outlier. And you could also invert your story - "my life was endangered because guns are far too readily available to criminals." In fact, statistically you're far more likely to be the victim than save yourself.

Owning a gun is statistically FAR more dangerous than not owning a gun. So "saved my life" is not only a bad excuse, it's a statistically incorrect one.
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I suppose this is true, though a really detached way of looking at it. For the person who asked earlier, I was assaulted in my driveway, my neighbor saved my life. For the record I'm personally not a gun owner, and I'm going to stop posting about personal experiences given what's happened today. Not fair to the victims
 
Switch Back 9 said:
These are all tangential to my specific point. The idea of it actually happening is of course, ridiculous, for many of the reasons you point out. My point is that the constantly repeated rhetoric of paranoid gun fanatics that believe the "gubmint is gunna get 'em" and they could actually WIN because they own a few handguns is equally ridiculous.
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They're really not tangential at all. You said that such a conflict would be over in 15 minutes and won by the US government. The reality is that if it ever came to such a conflict, the US government would have already lost.

PBY said:
You are living in a fantasy. Holy shit.
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Pretty rich coming from you and your history in this thread.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
Yeah, this is the kind of shit that almost subconsciously normalizes gun violence, even while reporting on stomach-churning acts of it.

The large, large majority of guns are made, marketed, and purchased for the purpose of firing them at other people. This basic fact is constantly, consistently, softened. We use terms like "protection" and "Safety" when referring to why we make the decision to buy a tool of murder, because those substitutions and euphemisms make it a lot easier to justify the decision we're almost certainly not mentally prepared to process or cope with should we actually use the tool as intended.

"A mass casualty event" is part of that softening. Hell, even referring to it as a "tool" and removing the context of that tool's intended use (to shoot people) is part of that softening.

We don't, as a country, immediately think of guns as murder weapons. We think that murder weapons CAN be guns, but that guns aren't, by default, murder weapons. But 99% of the time, they are. The murder is sometimes justified, sure. But it's still a murder. And we don't process gun ownership in those terms. We think of guns as tools of protection, when they're largely not. We think of guns as tools of entertainment, and they're often that.

But until we really process the fact that these ever-present, mass-produced tools of murder are just that: tools whose intended use are for killing other things, we're not going to start advocating for the change we need.
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Well-said.
 
AmyS said:
Fuck, fuck :(

Every 2-3 weeks.

May they RIP.
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imrs.php
 
partyphone said:
duh?? why do you think people want the 2nd amendment repealed.
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It's nice to want things, but you're never going to get 3/4 of the states to repeal anything in the Bill of Rights.

So you can waste 30 years trying to get that amendment passed, or you can try to work within the constitutional framework
 
Stinkles said:
Congratulations, you are statistically insignificant outlier. And you could also invert your story - "my life was endangered because guns are far too readily available to criminals." In fact, statistically you're far more likely to be the victim than save yourself.

Owning a gun is statistically FAR more dangerous than not owning a gun. So "saved my life" is not only a bad excuse, it's a statistically incorrect one.

And we'd actually HAVE better data (and likely worse statistics) if it wasn't for the fact that politicians (from both sides of the aisle, but mostly you-know-what) annually fight to defund or toherwise restrict the CDC's ability to properly track gun deaths and injuries, specifically. Your politicians literally don't want you to know how dangerous guns are.
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Well said. All of this.
 
PBY said:
Yeah, I'm at the point that if you own a gun for a fucking "fun hobby" then I think that's kind of disgusting. And its nothing like videogames. And there's no such thing as "safe hands" - everyone is responsible, and awesome, and treats guns seriously - until they aren't and are shooting up a school
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lol, not even going to bother.

LegendofJoe said:
I agree, although I'd argue that fishing is a much better (and safer) way to experience the outdoors and spend time with friends and family.
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I do that too!
 
Well, this should satisfy the NRA's blood lust for a few more days at least.

RIP to the poor people that have to pay for their hobby with their lives though.

Kama_1082 said:
Because a gun saved my life. I was car jacked coming home from the shooting range and was shot. I shot him back a few times and was stopped in his tracks. If I didn't shoot him I would be dead right now.


I don't conceal carry any more and I only use my shotgun for dove hunting and a rifle for the occasional feral hog hunting every so often as well as target shooting competitions.
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Yeah, you were TOTALLY saved by guns. Unless this is a joke post. Genuinely hard to tell.
 
Piggus said:
They're a fun hobby as long as they're in the right hands and safety is a top priority. It's hard to understand unless you've grown up with them or go shooting a lot in the same way that it's hard for some people to understand videogames without playing them. Target shooting is fun. Hunting is a great way to experience the outdoors and spend time with family or friends. Unfortunately guns are sometimes not in the right hands, and some people don't take safety seriously. That's why I feel we need laws that keep guns in safe hands, not laws that strip them away from everyone.
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Do you still seriously believe that it's that important to make it possible for Americans to practice one 'fun hobby' if it comes with these insane risks and constant deaths? I'm sure you're able to have safe fun with it, but I'm sure you would be able to find something equally fun to do with your time, especially if it means that some laws exist that make sure some more kids make it to the end of the schoolyear. It's a matter of perspective.
 
timetokill said:
They're really not tangential at all. You said that such a conflict would be over in 15 minutes and won by the US government. The reality is that if it ever came to such a conflict, the US government would have already lost.


Pretty rich coming from you and your history in this thread.
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Whoops, thought that was directed at me. And they're definitely tangential. All I'm saying is, if push came to shove, and there was a full on gov-civilian war, without all the nuances and intricacies such a conflict would realistically have, the military would wipe the floor with an armed populace.
 
You would think that eventually, conservatives and business people, even those in the business of selling guns, would have a limit to how much of these human catastrophes that they see before they say "You know what, enough is enough, we need to do something about this now."

And yet
And yet

This proverbial waking up never, never happens. I think it just goes to show the degree to which American hyper-capitalism has no bottom in terms of how little they value human life and dignity versus how much they value making ever more money. It's broken and will continue to get even more broken until something snaps.
 
Arkeband said:
Unfortunately, you can't even suggest the former without gun rights advocates insisting you mean the latter.
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A few years ago, when Sandy Hook happened, that was when the first real talks about gun control were reintroduced after several dormant years. Immediately, any talk of reform was immediately shouted down as government thugs coming to take the guns out of the hands of every honest American.

The irrationality, the inflexibility, the extremism, and the downright paranoia from a large number of gun advocates shows me that gun culture in the US has an extremely rotten element to it.
 
King_Moc said:
Well, this should satisfy the NRA's blood lust for a few more days at least.

RIP to the poor people that have to pay for their hobby with their lives though.



Yeah, you were TOTALLY saved by guns. Unless this is a joke post. Genuinely hard to tell.
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Wish it was broski but the terrible looking scar tells me differently. But sure, for you, it's all a joke :)
 
Dissonance said:
Limited wiggle room? All the rights in the Constitution have some kind of limit or exception. You could add such limits to the second amendment if you really wanted to without changing the entire thing.
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Absolutely.

I'm mostly talking about the people who go "JUST TAKE ALL THE GUNS AWAY FFS".
 
This is never going to stop until you get universal healthcare so people with mental illness can be treated, guns are far less readily available and you stop giving any media attention to the shooters so people don't just copy cat. None of the above three things will ever happen in the USA. So just keep shedding tears for the innocents killed in shootings like this day after day.
 
The point about defending yourself from a rogue government is weird because at that point you aren't going to be worried about abiding by gun regulations. "Shit, I can't fight back because I need a permit for a gun!"
 
Why does no one seem to want to get rid of guns I'm America?
I live in the UK, I find it strange how often this kind of thing happens in the US.
 
Stinkles said:
Congratulations, you are statistically insignificant outlier. And you could also invert your story - "my life was endangered because guns are far too readily available to criminals." In fact, statistically you're far more likely to be the victim than save yourself.

Owning a gun is statistically FAR more dangerous than not owning a gun. So "saved my life" is not only a bad excuse, it's a statistically incorrect one.
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This is why they usually are lying. You see people make that type of claim in nearly every thread so the chances that they're being honest is pretty small.

And we'd actually HAVE better data (and likely worse statistics) if it wasn't for the fact that politicians (from both sides of the aisle, but mostly you-know-what) annually fight to defund or toherwise restrict the CDC's ability to properly track gun deaths and injuries, specifically. Your politicians literally don't want you to know how dangerous guns are.
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Agreed.
 
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