Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon

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Bronx-Man said:
Gun control isn't even a fucking debate anymore. Sandy Hook was when America decided "guns > dead kids", and it's probably the most disgusting moment from the US in the 21st century.
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The thing is, it seems like a significant percentage of gun owners are in favor of gun control, but we're not the ones having the conversation. At a political level, it's being had by the NRA, which when combined with the GOP, forms the Vultron of Fuckery and Misinformation to completely ruin any chance of a sensible discussion being had on the issue.
 
Hoo-doo said:
4chan is basically a big 'who can make the crudest fucking comment' competition.

Nonsense posts are made every second, nonsense replies get posted every second. It's just an anonymous maelstrom of edgy 14 year olds.
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Of course it is but looking at some of the comments, people actually cheering for people being murdered and suggesting ways to do it, ugh. Makes me want to throw up.
 
diffusionx said:
I would argue that the purpose of that amendment is not totally obsolete and detrimental to society. It's just that the way it is being interpreted today is utterly insane. This idea that America just has to have an unlimited quantity of guns and everybody should just get whatever they want and take it wherever and do whatever with it... it's very new. I don't think there was a time when the 2nd amendment was ever interpreted in this way.
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It was written in a time when people were allowed to own cannons. Artillery. Private citizens were allowed to own the most powerful artillery of the time.

I'm not saying our firepower hasn't evolved. I'm not saying things haven't changed. The idea that private citizens weren't meant to own powerful weapons doesn't bear out in historical context.
 
Geo said:
The reason why the United States is so enthralled with keeping gun ownership of course stems back to issues of masculinity. Yes, masculinity, the internal conflict of American men since mainly the late 19th century. Men in America have constantly perceived masculinity as in decline. Masculinity, the rugged individual man as they say, is a disappearing ideal. Masculinity is in crisis right now, as it has been for well over a hundred years.

Guns are a way for many American men to be "masculine" again. In a society that seems to be increasingly less and less "masculine", this is important to them. Interesting parallels can be drawn to other aspects of American culture, such as advocacy for maintaining violence in football, which also claims lives and results in life-altering damage to the body (on a much smaller scale of course).

Gun ownership is thus deeper than just a visible societal problem. Its roots are much deeper. Guns correlate directly to issues of identity in relation to masculinity. Identity, how you perceive oneself and how you believe others perceive you. Identity as a man in America. Until this identity crisis is solved, mass change (bans on firearms) will never occur.

It's going to be awhile.
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quoted one more time for the people in the back.
 
DoktorEvil said:
He's been on my ignore list for a long time.

Yes, the evil patriarchal cis-male establishment is responsible for the widespread use of guns and gun violence in America...

Lord, help me find the strength today.
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considering that the shooter announced his intent on 4chan by describing it as a "beta male uprising" i think that considering the impact of american gender norms is totally appropriate
 
jtb said:
Don't forget that conservatives have absolutely zero intent of reforming the health care system to make it easier for people to get care. What potentially mentally ill person would want to be willing to get treatment if they didn't think there was anything wrong with them and they had to foot a huge bill for it? The system obviously needs reform but the people crying "mental illness" after every shooting are just concern trolling on a national level.
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Yep. Much like how the "we don't need new gun laws, just enforce the old ones" crowd are the very same lobbyists and politicians who actively work to keep the ATF as toothless as possible.
 
Geo said:
The reason why the United States is so enthralled with keeping gun ownership of course stems back to issues of masculinity. Yes, masculinity, the internal conflict of American men since mainly the late 19th century. Men in America have constantly perceived masculinity as in decline. Masculinity, the rugged individual man as they say, is a disappearing ideal. Masculinity is in crisis right now, as it has been for well over a hundred years.

Guns are a way for many American men to be "masculine" again. In a society that seems to be increasingly less and less "masculine", this is important to them. Interesting parallels can be drawn to other aspects of American culture, such as advocacy for maintaining violence in football, which also claims lives and results in life-altering damage to the body (on a much smaller scale of course).

Gun ownership is thus deeper than just a visible societal problem. Its roots are much deeper. Guns correlate directly to issues of identity in relation to masculinity. Identity, how you perceive oneself and how you believe others perceive you. Identity as a man in America. Until this identity crisis is solved, mass change (bans on firearms) will never occur.

It's going to be awhile.
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I agree. As we become more and more civilized and displace surviving in nature through the benefits of technology, the male who identifies himself through his masculinity will feel threatened (if that's indeed how they define themselves). The obsession with not just guns but the outdoors and hunting is also related.
 
FullmetalPain said:
He's from that white supremacist site 4chan i heard. Is that true GAF?
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Go that from someone on twitter screencaping the now deleted thread. Approach with multiple degrees of salt.

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https://twitter.com/ashleylynch/status/649675725474267136
 
FullmetalPain said:
I see racist shit that gets circle jerked on there all the time.
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Yes. But that's still just kids posting garbage, it's the unfortunate side-effect of complete anonymity.
It's not a 'white supremacist website' though. Just a place where edgy teens say vile stuff to one-up eachother.
 
BBC: "At least 13 killed in college shooting in Oregon"
At least 13 people have been killed in a shooting at Umpqua Community College in the US state of Oregon.

Believed to be in his early 20s, the gunman was "neutralised" after the shooting broke out about 10:30 local time (18:30 BST), officials said.

Oregon State Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum said that at least 20 people were wounded.

The 3,000-student school is located in Roseburg, Oregon, a rural area about 175 miles (281 km) south of Portland.

Audio from police radio channels suggests that authorities were exchanging shots with the gunman in a classroom in the college's Snyder Hall building.

An officer can be heard saying the suspect was down and that there were "multiple gunshot wounds" and calling for multiple ambulances to the scene.

The suspect supposedly used a "long gun".

A White House official said President Barack Obama was briefed on the situation and will continues to receive updates.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rted-at-oregon-community-college-live-updates
Roseburg sherrif: shooter is dead

Hanline says: “I can tell you the shooter was a male subject, and I have no further information on that.”

“The shooter is deceased,” he adds.
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RIP to the victims.
 
aeolist said:
considering that the shooter announced his intent on 4chan by describing it as a "beta male uprising" i think that considering the impact of american gender norms is totally appropriate
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So he actually did announce this on that site? (I'm not very familiar with 4chan)
 
I wonder who/how many will have to die before there is a serious gun debate in this country.

I'm already seeing FB posts saying things like, "if they had guns they could have defended themselves."

Stricter gun laws need to be enacted. Fuck.
 
Bronx-Man said:
Gun control isn't even a fucking debate anymore. Sandy Hook was when America decided "guns > dead kids", and it's probably the most disgusting moment from the US in the 21st century.
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Don't forget we've spent 40 years in a tailspin debating whether fetuses are citizens also, but of course once those fetuses are born, they aren't more important than gun rights anyway, and god forbid they are born to those filthy welfare queens.
 
aeolist said:
considering that the shooter announced his intent on 4chan by describing it as a "beta male uprising" i think that considering the impact of american gender norms is totally appropriate
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Yeah. You only need to look as far back as the Elliott Rodgers incident to see a mass shooting directly informed by feelings of aggrieved masculinity.

And the theatre shooting in Louisiana from a few months back.
 
AbsolutBro said:
This is literally "but patriarchy" in a thread about a mass shooting.

I'm pretty sure that's a new one, even for GAF.
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this is such an ignorant dismissal of a real argument that is getting to the potential core of the issue...

obstructing questions to a multifaceted problem makes you part of the fucking problem... be angry with feminism, but don't get angry when a major aspect of feminism is a potential solution to a crisis.
 
Geo said:
The reason why the United States is so enthralled with keeping gun ownership of course stems back to issues of masculinity. Yes, masculinity, the internal conflict of American men since mainly the late 19th century. Men in America have constantly perceived masculinity as in decline. Masculinity, the rugged individual man as they say, is a disappearing ideal. Masculinity is in crisis right now, as it has been for well over a hundred years.

Guns are a way for many American men to be "masculine" again. In a society that seems to be increasingly less and less "masculine", this is important to them. Interesting parallels can be drawn to other aspects of American culture, such as advocacy for maintaining violence in football, which also claims lives and results in life-altering damage to the body (on a much smaller scale of course).

Gun ownership is thus deeper than just a visible societal problem. Its roots are much deeper. Guns correlate directly to issues of identity in relation to masculinity. Identity, how you perceive oneself and how you believe others perceive you. Identity as a man in America. Until this identity crisis is solved, mass change (bans on firearms) will never occur.

It's going to be awhile.
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Good post, reminds me of Allan Johnson's article written after Sandy Hook titled Fatal Distraction: Manhood, Guns, and Violence
 
Reading the Yahoo comments is crazy. One poster said no more gun free zones because they are dangerous and got a 115 thumbs up while 39(including me) thumbs down.

Seriously what's with gun nuts?
 
bluelightningduo said:
I wonder who/how many will have to die before there is a serious gun debate in this country.

I'm already seeing FB posts saying things like, "if they had guns they could have defended themselves."

Stricter gun laws need to be enacted. Fuck.
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Didn't the NRA say the solution to school violence was to arm teachers or have armed security guards in the school?
 
Sheriff isn't confirming the number of dead or injured.

Unknown if the shooter was a student.

Unknown if there was more than 1 shooter.
 
Ugh, can't believe he posted about it on 4chan last night...and some of the egging him on...I'm not sure why I'm surprised, but I hate that place.
 
pgtl_10 said:
Reading the Yahoo comments is crazy. One poster said no more gun free zones because they are dangerous and got a 115 thumbs up while 39(including me) thumbs down.

Seriously what's with gun nuts?
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That's the problem. The nuts with guns.
 
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