zeopower6
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O boy.
Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon
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O boy.
No doubt whatsoever.
Off-topic but that suicide newsgroup on usenet is no longer available on Google Groups after a young lady was encouraged to end her life. Not that it hadn't happened before, but I think that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
As a male that admittedly bought his first gun in part because I thought it was cool and just what men did here in the south, yeah, I think there is plenty of truth to it. A ton actually. If you are gonna hide behind needing a neatly presented research paper(of which I'm sure you would just poke holes in anyway) then these sort of speculative posts aren't for you.
Come down here to Louisiana for a weekend and I can introduce you to a ton of men who will gladly beat their chest about how their guns protect their family. A responsibility because they are the man of the house. Talk about their new guns with the sort of dick measuring vernacular that you often hear when arguing sports. How cool they feel telling a girl at a bar how they protect themselves and others with their piece. How alpha that shit makes them basically. Hell you see it here. I remember the last time this conversation came up we just had to have a couple posters pound their chest about needing to buy more ammo and basically trying to act all hardass about their gun collection and the fucks they could give for anyone pushing back against them.
It is an extremely compelling hypothesis. One that is compelling because we can in fact identify in gun culture an expression of the more universal male traits that seem to emerge in most human cultures.
What does this have to do with a massacre?
The problem, though, is trying to correlate "gun ownership" with "mass murderer". What turns someone who wants to own a gun to feel "more like a man" into someone who wants to murder many people? That's the real issue because there are millions of gun owners who are responsible and don't murder 12 people. Who cares why I want to own a gun? I care about what drives people to mass murder.
Australia made it out fine.
LegendofJoe
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Thanks everyone, I learned something new today.
Veritigo_X
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This is disturbing...
The shooter posted on a section of 4chan that uses these terms.
It shows what kind of mentality this guy had. Preoccupied with not getting feminine attention. It's a pretty common white guy shooter stereotype at this point
AlexMeloche
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...a 20-something white guy killing random people somewhere at school.
Again.
Again.
Something would be hard so the answer is to do nothing and let it continue? What sort of defeatist attitude is this? Especielly when innocent lives are at stake.
People always frame this idea of reducing supply in such black and white terms. Either nothing or we go in by force and remove guns. There are other ways that lie in the middle of those two options people.
crazy that those military analyst went on CNN and talked about having more guns and less gun free zones......
it's all about money. money money money money. when will someone hack into these gun manufacturers emails and expose how much they pay these people to talk like this?
it's all about money. money money money money. when will someone hack into these gun manufacturers emails and expose how much they pay these people to talk like this?
Damerman
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human history has answered this question countless times.
LucidMomentum
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That heavily uses them. For instance, I visit /vg/ for games discussion but they almost never use those terms.
MadLaughter
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It wouldn't solve the problem on day 1 or day 100, but EVENTUALLY the number would trickle lower and lower and there would be a cultural shift. If it takes 30 years, then fine. Gotta take that first step eventually.
Marauder Shields
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Tbf I don't think guns have ever really been a big part of Australian culture like it is the US.
Oppo
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how can it be worse than a mountain of dead kids?
that is super inflammatory but how can one view it any other way
WickedLaharl
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The post in question is blaming gun violence on masculinity and implying that men who love football, for example, is an inherent problem with society. It's a gross oversimplification of the issue of mass shootings.
LiquidSword
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They have people going on tv and saying this bullshit already? FUCK
Fuck if I know, and if the shooter is dead then we might not ever know.
RPGCrazied
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If that religion thing is true, wow, that is messed up.
To be fair, even if he ended up alive we might not have known anything else significant.
Do you have any articles that actually claim the Brady Center abandoned them?
That article is very inconclusive; it also mentions an appeal.. if you are appealing a decision you don't immediately have to pay things off.
Portugeezer
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I would guess this one is fake, just because it would be a terrible time to announce something like that. I hope authorities keep an eye on these things for the time being.
Great insight.
zeopower6
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20 something white male. I wonder when they'll identify him. :/
RPGCrazied
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Male, 20 years old.
it's part of the culture of alienation and nihilism that *chans foster and encourage
Is the right to own guns included in the Australian constitution?
We don't know that he is white.
Damerman
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seems to me you are oversimplifying geo's post.
What makes you say that?
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Veritigo_X
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While true, I feel like they would've said if he wasn't...
entremet
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The people that want to keep guns are half the population and they vote consistently. Simple as that.
Which ties back to what Geo posted. Socially awkward manchild buys into the values of toxic masculinity but receives none of the things the men in his family who raised him got, a broken system that fails to treat mental health with the seriousness it needs does nothing about this, and a cultural fetish and weak background checks allow him to buy a gun and commit another mass murder in a country where mass murders are as common as the sun rising in the east.
I have a solution! What if...we shoot all of them!
Yes, I get the hypocrisy of such an idea, but it's just so crazy it might work!
TheLostBigBoss
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I'm hearing the term "beta male" on CNN right now
CNN is talking about 4chan culture
this is like my grandma trying to talk about NeoGAF
I don't think so in this situation. The off the grid nature of the school has basically had the news networks grasping at the same straw for a while.
If they had any solid information they would be running with it.
You can't be serious....
Cabbagehead
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pretty much.
Thanks.
But that sort of completely goes against your "the Brady Center had them do it" aspect; the Brady Center and another law firm offered bro bono legal support.
The couple were the one's behind the law suit and they claim nobody asked them to sue.
More:
http://blogs.reuters.com/alison-fra...-parents-drop-appeal-owe-ammo-dealers-203000/
Basically I don't think the Brady Center deserves a black eye for giving pro bono legal support; framing the story as if they used those people is just false.
the rich and powerful have very effectively manipulated poor white people into voting patterns that benefit entrenched oligarchies. they did this by encouraging base fears about the encroaching modern world and its immoral social ideals, and tying that to economic policies.
at this point the monster feeds itself and isn't really controllable anymore. gun rights are part of that culture of fear.
Oh god, time to bail out on this thread. Once we go to "look at Australia", I know the thread is over.
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