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[Northeastmonk]

According to a witness he held people down and asked individuals about their religion before he shot. Just awful. No idea what religion he was targeting.

That was what scared me in high school when Columbine happened. They'd ask if someone believes in God before they shot them.

It doesn't need to be a single religion. No one should have to answer that to a gun wielding psychopath.

 

[Chariot]

According to a witness he held people down and asked individuals about their religion before he shot. Just awful. No idea what religion he was targeting.

Given the place he apparently spawned from - every religion.

 

[LucidMomentum]

It's a /r/foreveralone, /r/theredpill thing. I would guess it's way more of a reddit thing than 4chan, but I don't browse 4chan.

If you haven't heard of "NORMIES GET OUT REEEEEE" you really don't browse 4chan much. Or rather, you don't browse /r9k/

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

That was what scared me in high school when Columbine happened. They'd ask if someone believes in God before they shot them.

It doesn't need to be a single religion. No one should have to answer that to a gun wielding psychopath.

It wasn't the people with guns?

 

[arevin01]

i don't rem who said it but they mentioned USA is the worst country when it comes to school violence. Another sad day.

 

[Chariot]

i don't rem who said it but they mentioned USA is the worst country when it comes to school violence. Another sad day.

The worst thing about it is the unwillingness to do anything against the obvious problem. So many attacks could've been prevented, so many lives saved.

 

[Henkka]

Arent you just saying what I am saying though? Part of the gun culture and glorification we see in America is seeded in the sort of evolutionary drive toward expressing masculinity that we see all over the world? Just in other areas it can be expressed differently.

I guess it's kinda like a chicken or the egg problem... Does gun culture cause toxic masculinity or does toxic masculinity cause gun culture?

I just think it clearly can't be a determining factor in what makes the US so special when it comes to gun crime. The 'state of masculinity' seems about the same in western countries, yet the rate of gun crime is massively different. But of course the 'state of masculinity' is difficult to quantify, I'm going off a gut feeling mostly.

So if it's not a determining factor, it's just seems to be a red herring from the fact that you guys have so many freaking guns

 

[Norwegian Rudo]

i don't rem who said it but they mentioned USA is the worst country when it comes to school violence. Another sad day.

According to a HoffPo headline this was the 45th school shooting this year.

 

[IISANDERII]

From MMartinezCNN -> http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/01/us/umpqua-community-college-live-blog/index.html

"This is chilling, but worth reading:

Investigators are now looking at an online conversation that occurred the night before the shooting between a person believed to be the gunman and others in the Internet discussion threat, CNN's Deborah Feyerick reports.

The writer talks about planning to carry out a shooting.

Others egg him on -- suggesting how to do it and the type of weapons to use.

The responses are mixed, with some calling the writer a loser. Others call him a twisted hero. The conversations reference the shooter near the University of California, Santa Barbara, who wrote a manifesto and left a video a year ago. One participant in the chat tells the would-be gunman not to do it.

Wrote the would-be gunman: "This is the only time I'll ever be in the news. I'm so insignificant." "

Apparently theres a link to the 4Chan thread but I'll never post or click on it.

This might be it http://boards.4chan.org/r9k/thread/22805363#p22805363

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I guess it's kinda like a chicken or the egg problem... Does gun culture cause toxic masculinity or does toxic masculinity cause gun culture?

I don't think it's so much a matter of one causing the other, but more that they feed into each other. They can act as mutual support systems.

Men expressing their masculinity through buying guns is a thing that happens. I don't know know that I'd call it a "red herring."

 

[minor effort]

What about all of hundreds of isolated cases that do not make national news that do involve guns but not masculinity? The lines are a whole lot more greyer when you look at cases on the aggregate. Men suffer with masculinity issues in many countries. What makes America special that it is a significant reason?

At best, it lightly touches a component of power dynamics with respect to gun ownership.
At worst, it broad brushes men as violent savages who act like primates whenever they purchase a weapon.

Of course it's grey. Nobody said this was a black-or-white issue, or the sole aspect that explains gun violence in the US.

Of course people struggle with masculinity issues in every country. The fact that it's tied to guns is somewhat unique to American masculinity, which is primarily what is being discussed here, coupled with the availability of weapons and relative lack of restrictions in this country.

As for your last point, on the former you're kind of understanding it, on the latter you're mistaking a critique of masculinity as an attack on men.

 

[rSpooky]

Terrible, Off course the first words i hear at the work place are " Gun free zones are bad, just asking for these things to happen"
I just shook my head and walked away . sigh

 

[Übermatik]

ah that was actually my mistake, i had too many archives of chan threads open in tabs

this is what i saw: https://archive.is/riMWo

this is apparently the original thread: https://archive.moe/r9k/thread/22785073

edit: both links are NSFW

Wait what, University of Edinburgh!?

 

[Dai101]

So... I was checking 4Chan a couple of minutes ago, and now the site has been blocked by my network operator :O

Weird, i'm checking it right now and is fine.

 

[Wolfe]

Because I know eventually they will get tied together with or without me?

Well that's a stupid reasoning.

People blame weed for some disgustingly unwarranted things. It's ridiculous.

Which nobody is doing in this case.


On topic: this shit is unbelievably sad and it blows me away everytime I think about our crappy politicians that refuse to allow anything to be done about it under the excuse of "freedom" and "rights".

Well what about the fucking rights of the people that died from this?!

 

[DrForester]

Sad to say, but it seemed like we were having a few good weeks.

 

[riotous]

At least there are a few dozen teenage edge lords probably shitting their pants over that 4chan thread going viral.

 

[The Artisan]

This is awful.

There are probably going to be people who blame it on weed. Since this is happening in Oregon.

that will be some truly cringeworthy shit if it happens.

 

[iapetus]

The worst thing about it is the unwillingness to do anything against the obvious problem. So many attacks could've been prevented, so many lives saved.

Exactly. Just hand out guns to all students and this sort of thing would never happen. But will people listen? Hell no.

 

[stufte]

At least there are a few dozen teenage edge lords probably shitting their pants over that 4chan thread going viral.

Good.

 

[AmyS]

President Obama will address the nation at 6:20 pm EST.

I'll edit-in the right time if it needs to be changed, pretty sure CNN said 6:20pm

CNN: about 20 minutes or so from now. so yeah.

 

[darthvargi]

I wasn't even aware of this beta male movement (if that's even what it is). I'm all for people being treated respect and sure we all get frustrated/depressed sometimes but these kinds of acts are so cowardly and disgusting that whatever group the perpetrator "represents" just now has beem further set back.

I'm deeply sorry for the victims and families. I know you folks and I don't agree on guns, but the false flag narrative I see in some forums I go to outside of GAF are really disrepectful and non conductive to any debate.

 

[aeolist]

Exactly. Just hand out guns to all students and this sort of thing would never happen. But will people listen? Hell no.

the dunning-kruger effect is in full force in the mind of every gun rights nut

"statistics that show owning a gun makes me less safe? eh, i'm surely the exception. also i'm a crack shot and would perform admirably in a real combat situation!"

 

[Chariot]

Exactly. Just hand out guns to all students and this sort of thing would never happen. But will people listen? Hell no.

please.

President Obama will address the nation at 6:20 pm EST.

Hiw is his stance on tackling gun laws? Was he on edge so far or is there no chance he would try make them harder?

 

[minor effort]

President Obama will address the nation at 6:20 pm EST.

I hope he's angry.

 

[Drayco21]

Weird, i'm checking it right now and is fine.

Fine here; I'm worried it'll get blocked on my dorm wi-fi now though. /r9k/ sucks, but /co/, /tg/, /vg/ and /toy/ are my jam- it's a shame most people don't bother to learn that not all of the site is the same thing.

 

[SymbiantXenos]

At least there are a few dozen teenage edge lords probably shitting their pants over that 4chan thread going viral.

Who in their right fucking mind would think egging the person on was a good idea.

 

[Onlinehero]

If a man in Sweden wants to be perceived as manly, so he goes out and builds a house from wood or whatever. Or he goes and bulks up at the gym or grows a beard. Manly shit. The thought of buying a gun and bragging about it wouldn't enter his mind, because there is no american-style gun culture that glorifies gun ownership.

Not just that. That's what's promoted on TV. We still have gunfetishists; guns are mainly just harder to come across if you don't get one in your profession (which comes with a lot of training in responsibility). There are still a lot of destructive roles that males fall into to prove how manly they are, most visibly in school. It's just looks different depending on which part of society you look at. People I've known that have been really into guns have been gamers (of course!), gangmembers/criminals, and people in the army/police force.

We're still very much influenced by gun glorification but how we can express it in an accapteble fashion is very different.

 

[Lakitu]

Such a shame that this coward died.

RIP to all the victims. Can't imagine what the families are going through right now.

 

[DrForester]

I hope he's angry.

Honestly, I want him to just come out and be sarcastic as hell.

"How's it going America. Just FYI, we had another mass shooting. Now, I don't want anyone to go thinking that we can do anything about this. What works in every other civilized country in the world won't work here. See you all next week for the next shooting."

Such a shame that this coward died.

Yeah. I can't imagine how it is for the family, knowing they won't get any justice because of it. It's like the shitty consolation prize (naturally no deaths would be optimal), but I always hope they catch these assholes.

 

[aeolist]

I wasn't even aware of this beta male movement (if that's even what it is). I'm all for people being treated respect and sure we all get frustrated/depressed sometimes but these kinds of acts are so cowardly and disgusting that whatever group the perpetrator "represents" just now has beem further set back.

I'm deeply sorry for the victims and families. I know you folks and I don't agree on guns, but the false flag narrative I see in some forums I go to outside of GAF are really disrepectful and non conductive to any debate.

the biggest problem with these kinds of communities is that they rail against their social status while blaming exactly the wrong people for it. they reinforce toxic gender norms by lashing out at women for not sleeping with them, instead of blaming the actual patriarchal structure that made them outcasts in the first place.

it's sickening.

 

[RPGCrazied]

I hope he's angry.

I bet its the same old talk. "I'm acknowledging it, it happens to many times, I'm sorry for the loss, my condolences." Time passes and is forgotten. Its sad, but its how it will go down.

 

[Jamie OD]

Who in their right fucking mind would think egging the person on was a good idea.

They probably thought it was an empty threat.

EDIT: Didn't know about the posts celebrating him for going through with it. Jesus Christ that's even more sickening.

 

[Afrodium]

This is disgusting. I'm sick of this shit constantly happening. This isn't normal. Nothing is being done to stop this.

 

[Dio]

They probably thought it was an empty threat.

The vast majority of the time, it is an empty threat, so people treat it as such.

 

[DrForester]

At least there are a few dozen teenage edge lords probably shitting their pants over that 4chan thread going viral.

Do I even want to know what 4chan had to do with this?

 

[Deleted member 13876]

People egged him on, then celebrated:

https://archive.is/KJ1LD

 

[victreeb3l]

Saw some kid with a hand drawn Guy Fawkes mask on Twitter. Is that the shooter or is that totally unrelated to this?

 

[Fury451]

Wolf - "Did you ever think your district would have one of these mass shootings?"

Yes, Wolf! Everyday.

Such an idiotic question at a time like this.

People egged him on, then celebrated:

https://archive.is/KJ1LD

This makes me physically ill and furious.

 

[Opto]

They probably thought it was an empty threat.

I don't give them the benefit of the doubt

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

They probably thought it was an empty threat.

That doesn't really change much.

Anyway, R.I.P. to the deceased and speedy recovery for the injured.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

the dunning-kruger effect is in full force in the mind of every gun rights nut

"statistics that show owning a gun makes me less safe? eh, i'm surely the exception. also i'm a crack shot and would perform admirably in a real combat situation!"

There was a recent case where a guy tried to stop a carjacking, accidentally shot the victim in the head, removed the bullet casing from the scene and then ran.

 

[Arkeband]

Obama will likely say "I think it's past time we take a hard look at our country and determine if gun laws are as they should be." or something equally desperate sounding knowing that the Republicans are all bought and paid for by the NRA.

 

[captainnapalm]

The 4chan stuff is really gross. Those boards have always creeped me out. It's like they all live underground or something. I've never met someone so maladjusted that they would fit in there, or maybe I have? Who knows.

One thing I always notice in these threads though is how the usual suspects always come in and try to make a tragedy about their pet project, you know, trying to crowbar their particular hangups or social causes into the discussion. It's kind of disgusting. Could you more blatantly not give a shit.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

R.I.P. to the deceased and speedy recovery for the injured.

.

 

[User1608]

These new details make me sick. I almost broke down at work today, this really is too much.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

People egged him on, then celebrated:

https://archive.is/KJ1LD

The fucking Internet, man...

 

[Xcellere]

This is literally "but patriarchy" in a thread about a mass shooting.

I'm pretty sure that's a new one, even for GAF.

If you're going to make a critique, at least make a little bit of effort in your retort, because the one you gave was off by a fucking country mile.

Emasculation ≠ patriarchy.

 

[Haloid1177]

The religious aspect of this has me worried considering they haven't released any info about the shooter other than his age.

 

[Arkeband]

The 4chan stuff is really gross. Those boards have always creeped me out. It's like they all live underground or something. I've never met someone so maladjusted that they would fit in there, or maybe I have? Who knows.

One thing I always notice in these threads though is how the usual suspects always come in and try to make a tragedy about their pet project, you know, trying to crowbar their particular hangups or social causes into the discussion. It's kind of disgusting. Could you more blatantly not give a shit.

Oh, like better gun control so psychopath angsty 20 year old maladjusted basement dwellers don't have the easiest time in the world procuring tools with which they can dispatch dozens of people at a distance?