Shadax the wizard
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It's loads and loads of camera shutters making that sound.
President Obama Is Pissed (Oregon Shooting Press Conference)
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It's loads and loads of camera shutters making that sound.
DSLR shutters/mirrors.
brochiller
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This is how most rational gun owners feel.
The problem is the NRA spews this bull shit about how they're taking away our freedoms and now half the country believes it.
The President can't write and pass laws, that falls on Congress. And Congress won't act because gun lobbyists have shored up enough clout to prevent gun control legislation from happening.
Not to mention, it's in the interest of the NRA and gun manufacturers to stoke fears of the government coming to take your guns away, because that sends nut job gun owners into a buying frenzy and sales spike.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Gawdamn he called out all bullshit the gun nuts spout after a school shooting, looks like their response on Fox News comments it to yell even louder.
NullPointer
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Each time this happens. Each time he pleads with people for common sense. Each time its like a kick to the heart.
I can't fathom how a person could watch that and not consider his points to be entirely reasonable.
The NRA has more power than their aggregate members, and more influence than rationality. And its fucking sick.
I can't fathom how a person could watch that and not consider his points to be entirely reasonable.
The NRA has more power than their aggregate members, and more influence than rationality. And its fucking sick.
evilromero
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"THE GUY IS NUTS!" Yells a dude that is clearly nuts.
stufte
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Typical?
eBay Huckster
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in today's political climate, if the president's party doesn't have huge majorities in both chambers of Congress they're basically powerless on this issue in particular
Interfectum
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Why America won't change:
https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/10153729501476336/
We are full of idiots.
https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/10153729501476336/
We are full of idiots.
This all just sounds like common sense to me, which makes it all the sadder when powerful groups with special interests will block any measures to prevent this from happening again... because there's money to be made, enemies to keep and ideologies to maintain. All at the cost of innocent lives.
If they banned guns right now what would we do with the millions? Of guns attained legally that are already out there? i mean at this point you can't ban guns. They are already out here... if you ban the sale of new ones they'll just buy one from the guy down the street with 400. Not to mention every time Obama talks about banning guns stock gets sold out at gun shops. I know I'd buy a couple more.
uncelestial
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When nothing happened post-Sandy Hook, I knew we weren't going to see movement on this issue without political reform that either bans lobbying, encourages third parties, or outlaws gerrymandering -- barring some hail mary Supreme Court decision.
And that's because when nothing happened post-Sandy Hook, that was America deciding that innocent children being killed was a tolerable price to pay for having unfettered gun access. "Dead kids are okay with us," we confirmed.
And that's because when nothing happened post-Sandy Hook, that was America deciding that innocent children being killed was a tolerable price to pay for having unfettered gun access. "Dead kids are okay with us," we confirmed.
Short of the NRA imploding, or being sucked into a black hole never to return, there is no workable solution.
Pai Pai Master
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Thank you for being a sensible gun owner.
You can keep your guns, you can use your guns, but we need to make it impossible for someone who wants to harm other people to get a gun. I hate guns and I want to see them gone, but if we can at least start working towards that goal, we can all go on living and less of us can get killed by guns.
Valjean Lafitte
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What game? I find your eagerness to equate common sense with what amounts to a half-cocked conspiracy theory disturbing.
TimeEffect
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I hate these people so much. There is just no arguing with them, and they are so cruel about it. To suggest it was all fake, and then to have some of them attack actual victims.
They need to be exposed for being morons. I wish Louis Theroux would do a documentary or something
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Here. Somebody else was kind enough to play your 'show me the facts' game. Doubt you'll care or read it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180485742&postcount=181
Meanwhile you still haven't offered any of your own
Winter John
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Unfortunately it's not just the NRA. You can see the responses in this very thread calling for responsible gun owners like myself who need weapons to defend our property to be treated as pariahs. That kind of language and the usual calls to ban all guns is just as bad as the NRA's handwaving and brush offs whenever these tragedies happen.
Every few months there is one (or more) of these mass shootings in USA that become news around the world.
I found this list of shootings (only in schools), its bigger than you can imagine:
Full list here:
This was the 45th shooting only in 2015.
I found this list of shootings (only in schools), its bigger than you can imagine:
Full list here:
This was the 45th shooting only in 2015.
I'd be perfectly happy with requiring gun owners to go through secret service training and background checks in order to carry their gun. I'm gonna guess he hasn't thought through that comparison though.
Shining Sunshine
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Any news sites done the tally Obama suggested?
Man, they just keep firing them off...
Man, they just keep firing them off...
EatinOlives
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Yep. We're full of idiots who keep treating this in incredibly infantile manner. "OMG they're criminals!!" like we live in a fucking cartoon with big "BAD GUY!!" letters pointing at the evil mustache twirling gunman. There's of course no mention of the shooters that have acquired guns legally or swiped them from legally acquired sources, or the people deemed "mentally sound" that then go on shooting sprees because they snap. Everyone's a "sensible, responsible gun owner" until they snap, and when they do all these dumfucks trip over themselves to pretend that the gunman was never part of THEIR group so of course THEY have nothing and nobody to answer for. No, these gunmen were born and lived all their lives as cartoon villains and they were never part of their society. The fervor of their disassociation with the crazed gunmen is really pathetic. It's what gets them even more worked up than the actual victims of the shootings.
I still want to give credit to responsible gun owners who insist that this is a problem and additional measures should be enacted to fight this. There are at least some with their heads screwed in right.
Oh, absolutely. People care about their stupid guns than dead children. I'm not even being ironic or sarcastic. I'm left with no opinion except that Americans might not like dead children, but it's really not a deal breaker for them.
This country is more concerned about two dudes touching dicks together behind closed doors than the piles of dead kids. I'm not even sure why the fuck I live here anymore.
Valjean Lafitte
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Holy fucking shit. Steady your bleeding heart for just a sec and think rationally. What you quoted there had absolutely nothing to do with congress being "held hostage" with NRA money.
Of course, you weren't interested in providing a rational response anyway. You could have easily practiced basic reading comprehension if you were.
You can't make this shit up.
Not even fucking close.
+1
Fences and Karate don't stop Coyotes from killing livestock as well as pets.
Plus, if I call 911, I should expect at least a 15-20 minute wait.
NullPointer
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Impossible isn't going to happen, but there's a lot of ground between where we are and that point. Enough to move forward even if only a bit. Enough to have regulations that both pro and anti gun sides would find easily reasonable and fair. We know this.
But that's not good enough. We have a government incapable of governing.
You're slightly wrong, Sandy Hook was American politicians and lobbyists deciding that innocent children being killed was a tolerable price to pay for money. Lots and lots of fucking money. I mean a fuck ton of money.
FFS it feels like some kind of weird parody. Its just incredible that these idiots are serious. WTF is wrong with people.
Reading this is just sad.
The Lamonster
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So did any news organizations actually compare the statistics like he asked?
stufte
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My buddy just bought a $1200 safe for 25 guns. Does any single person need that many fucking guns? Not to mention the size of some of the slugs could rip through a fucking car. He's just buying guns to buy guns, i still don't see the point of blowing $1k in ammo at a gun range!
I own a 9mm, ammo and gun are seperated. It is used for home defense only! I don't need to wander the streets with 15 ARs.
XenogearsX
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Great speech. Doubt our laws will change though. Too many Americans set in their ways and they will forget about this shooting in a week or so until it happens again. A broken cycle.
HOLY SHIT, I honestly can't believe those sentences were written by another human being. Seriously man, the logic.
5 acres isn't enough to have horses, sheep, *and* donkeys.
See, there's a lot of people in the United States, and there's really good reasons for a lot of them to own guns.
There's also a lot of really good reasons to make buying guns more difficult.
Find a middle ground for fuck's sake, rather than vilifying either side.
Real secret: Gun owners love the "OBAMA GUNNA TAKE MUH GUNS" thing cause collectors have been making hand over fist. A rifle I sold paid for my last PC building project (~$2500), paid $350 for it about 8 years ago.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Then people will need to get their own Feral Donkeys to protect against Feral Donkeys!
it doesn't really matter because most normal people actually want to be good and law abiding. they wouldn't engage in illegal weapon production. Most of the gun related killings are preventable deaths that are either accidental or passion crimes by ordinary people.
Learning about 3d printing, getting the right blueprints, materials, putting it together, getting hold of ammunition and so on requires greater effort(and is easier to prevent)than grabbing daddys handgun and going on a killing spree in the heat of a moment. It will probably happen, but you can't just say that every death we have today would have been substituted for one with a printed gun if there was a ban.
Elfforkusu
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I've still never heard a sane justification for why we shouldn't do what Australia did with their assault weapons ban.
And ignorance of the facts is no excuse for destructive behavior.
And ignorance of the facts is no excuse for destructive behavior.
SenjutsuSage
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Very well said by the President, but of course we as a country won't do a damn thing as usual. We don't care enough.
And politicise a tragedy? That would just be wrong. /s
Winter John
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Oh yes it is. These people are both sides of the same coin. Neither side are willing to deal with this problem sensibly and so what we've ended up with are 2 groups of extremists screeching at each other while people like myself are stuck in the middle, shaking our heads and wishing they'd just shut up. There needs to be reform but that reform needs to be balanced and take into account people who have legitimate reasons for owning guns
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yeah, 30% shows up wayyyy too often. It's up to the other 70% to set up and outnumber them at the polls.
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