President Obama Is Pissed (Oregon Shooting Press Conference)
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Morrigan Stark
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He doesn't want to ban guns. He's calling for restrictions to make it less easy for people to obtain guns.
How is this even controversial for sensible, non-insane people? Christ.
How is this even controversial for sensible, non-insane people? Christ.
Uhh except an attack on Congress did happen in 2011.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords
Ghost is Bad
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never doubt the power of rich lunatics
Ran off instead of answering huh? Typical coward.
Fallout-NL
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He clearly meant an attack on the Capitol building, not a single member of Congress.
Alx
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Yeah I don't even see the issue in politicizing that. Politics are about protecting the welfare of the population. And when the population gets shot at on a regular basis, its welfare is reaaally compromised (duh).
So yeah that's exactly when politics should start considering some action, nothing wrong with that. On the contrary, it's inaction from the politics that would be wrong.
Ghost is Bad
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It's not really the power of the gun lobby that holds the law in perpetual stasis. They're part of it yeah but they're a small part.
First you have the true believers. Zealots in every way who will never budge on the issue. Next you have the politicians who take advantage of the zealots message, to try and gain grassroots appeal, populism, etc etc. Then we come to the apathetic, who just don't think they can make a difference and leave the decisions to someone else. These three people are in every level of power, and it's that trinity that holds Americans hostage.
NRA, Tea Party, etc etc.
SuperBanana
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Wow great speech.
There is no issue, but for the opposition of what he's trying to do it is an easy out. A way to not talk about the issue and wait until its forgotten about so the public won't care about it until the next shooting... Upon which they'll once again use the same tactic of "oh, but please lets grieve before we talk about this politically". It's a stall tactic and people are buying into it.
Despite the fact that they're stances certainly contribute to tragedies like this, I'd imagine he didn't want to be seen as directly blaming them for this. Directly blaming an organization you belong to is certainly going to make people even more defensive than they already will be.
It's basically the political equivalent of "I'm not pointing any fingers but..."
Fallout-NL
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Gotcha.
Fudgepuppy
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Obama has opened up people's hearts for America. You can clearly tell in this speech, that he truly cares for his country, that he truly believes it can be great. Many people outside of America, has never seen that honest portrayal from an American politician.
Fucking awful that this just keeps on happening. :'(
Fucking awful that this just keeps on happening. :'(
I thought the same - you could visibly see him thinking of his children during parts of that speech. He may be a world leader, but he's also just a loving parent.
America, you really need to change.
Ayato Kanzaki
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Oh sure, it's you guys that are under attack. Right.
Edit: Derp. This is from yesterday. I'm really out of tune with the date this week.
You can just feel the empathy for the victims in this tweet.
Would they keep saying the same thing if the next slaughter happened inside the NRA building.
Majukun
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nah,it was staged like every political speech is..that doesn't mean he isn't totally on point though
Thornton Reed
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I just watched a video of a man banging his head against a brick wall.
You could see the anger and frustration written all over his face and rightly so. Its disgusting that this keeps happening and looks like will never stop.
I hope after he leaves office he is still banging this drum american needs to wake up.
You could see the anger and frustration written all over his face and rightly so. Its disgusting that this keeps happening and looks like will never stop.
I hope after he leaves office he is still banging this drum american needs to wake up.
SuperBanana
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Fallout-NL
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They would.
Makoto-Yuki
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Man, that was some speech. I don't think I've seen such an honest statement. I just see a pissed guy talking who seems to be powerless to make any changes to the government he is supposed to be in control of. I'm not american so not 100% sure how it works but you guys need to sort it out. I know it's your rights to own a gun and I know people are really protective of that. Damn right you should be but this is just gonna keep happening. It's not about completely banning guns but just making it harder for people who want to do harm to get their hands on it.
I hope America that you sort this out. It's a shame to keep hearing about all these murders. Enough should be enough.
I hope America that you sort this out. It's a shame to keep hearing about all these murders. Enough should be enough.
That doesn't sound like a bad idea at all. How in the world aren't most people . Americans in favor of this.
I like how aggressive Obama is in this video, time to do something about mass shootings.
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brochiller
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it really depresses me that when you read the comments on Obama's speech on Facebook or the video of that crazy nut who calls Obama a "homosexual muslim arab", there are so many people who hate Obama for saying these things and act like he isn't talking common fucking sense. And often these people have crazy amounts of upvotes. Say what you want about "youtube comments" and "Facebook comments" but every one of those votes is a real person. America won't change until people get their heads out of their asses.
Yes. sort of.
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/firearms-death-rate-per-100000/
For reference my state(Louisiana) has more gun violence then Mexico.
States with stricter gun laws tend to have lower rates of gun violence. Same applies to countries. We have a notably higher gun violence rate then any other western developed, highly functioning nation.
What do I say to someone that dismisses this as "correlation does not imply causation?"
PhantomZone
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Australia had one major tragedy neigh on 20 years ago, changed our gun laws and have not had such a massacre since.
DonasaurusRex
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i think Switzerland has done the best job with gun control we should probably model it on their control system and permissions.
brochiller
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Glad someone put this together. Such a sad state of affairs.
Fixed. Graph should start at 0.
Damn much better. Wtf CNN.
Battersea Power Station
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I don't know if like this reasoning, because if some unstable murderer gets his hands on a gun in Australia and perpetuates another tragedy, I don't want to hear the smug gun fans in the US go "see? It doesn't work." How common was gun violence in Oz before the ban anyway, out of curiosity?
I'd just like to chime in by saying that I think it was a very good decision for Obama not to mention the NRA by name. They've received comparatively little attention as a result.
He targeted the idea at hand by referring to those who oppose "common sense gun control measures", and that has effectively reduced opposition to his statement. Previous shootings were marked by an often defiant NRA often dominating the headlines in a catfight with those supporting gun control; diluting the message of the latter.
He targeted the idea at hand by referring to those who oppose "common sense gun control measures", and that has effectively reduced opposition to his statement. Previous shootings were marked by an often defiant NRA often dominating the headlines in a catfight with those supporting gun control; diluting the message of the latter.
Funky Papa
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Oh, goody. An angry black man.
Wingnuts won't be won over. This will only reinforce their fears.
It's time to stop taking them into consideration and start acting.
Wingnuts won't be won over. This will only reinforce their fears.
It's time to stop taking them into consideration and start acting.
Messypandas
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I read a post here saying they had a average of one mass shooting a year until the ban and none since going on 16 (?) years.
Sho_Nuff82
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I find it pretty sad that the president saying, "I'm only the president, I can't do anything legally about state and federal gun laws" will be spun again into "Obama and the feds want to take our guns." He's pleading for common sense from the electorate, not being a dictator. It's way past time we take responsibility for what we've allowed.
Valjean Lafitte
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Once again you 1) accuse me of ignoring the evidence, 2) yet don't provide the evidence that I asked for, just a lot of neat factoids about public opinion towards gun laws that don't necessarily prove that Congress is being bought off by the NRA, and 3) presuppose I hold certain opinions when really, I've said almost nothing to indicate my opinion on one side of this issue or the other.
I don't have time to debate someone who seems more interested in arguing from a place of anger towards gun fanatics (which I am not) than rational discourse, so I'm done here. But FYI, I have no idea what the "cable lobby" even is and I'm 100% supportive of a free, neutral, uncensored Internet.
Jacksinthe
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Y'AIN'T GITT'N MAH GUNZ!
Jesus Christ in a blender this guy is a fucking nutjob. See, THIS is the kind of asshole who should not own a fucking gun. This guy shouldn't even own a goddamn spork or any other plastic cutlery. This is a dangerous man, hands down.
What the fuck does he believe will happen if our guns are taken away? I hope this dipshit realizes if the government wanted to deep six you they can even if you own a fucking arsenal. Your pea shooter won't stop them from doing whatever the fuck it is these people believe is going down, FFS.
In-fucking-sane.
The funny thing about that video was that everything he was saying through gritted teeth actually applied to himself a lot more than Obama.
At one point he seemed to imply that the shooting might not have even happened
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