President Obama Is Pissed (Oregon Shooting Press Conference)

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I imagine actually giving a shit and having to be President of the completely cancerous unmoveable dinosaur that is US politics is incredibly frustrating.

When the supposedly most powerful man on the planet cant even conduct fucking data surveys because of some truly asinine shit, the whole system needs to be just fucking nuked and started again.

Lock the people that disagree up on a boat and send them into the ocean to build another country.
 
I don't know if like this reasoning, because if some unstable murderer gets his hands on a gun in Australia and perpetuates another tragedy, I don't want to hear the smug gun fans in the US go "see? It doesn't work." How common was gun violence in Oz before the ban anyway, out of curiosity?

To be honest I was young at the time so I wouldn't be able to recount every gun related crime from the 80's and such.

I can certainly say that we had never had the same volume of school shootings. We've had a few incidents since of course - this one in 2002: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting , Lindt cafe siege in 2014 .

For anyone interested this was the massacre that saw the government take action

Port Arthur Massacre
 
Already had one friend on Facebook refer to Obama as "President Asshole" who needs to let people mourn and not capitalize on this. I swear I hate living in the south sometimes.
 
The 4chan thread was a shocking revelation to me. Seems there's an online scene of an increasing number of troubled boys who feel the world deserves revenge for their situation and stimulate eachother in making these dark fantasies reality.
This seems to indicate a bigger problem in American society. Was hoping he'd say something about that.
 
Australia had one major tragedy neigh on 20 years ago, changed our gun laws and have not had such a massacre since.

After Dunblane in the UK we banned all handguns. Since then in 96 we have had one mass shooting which was done with a legally owned shotgun and rifle.

It's a pretty good record but the guy who did the shootings in Cumbria should have had his guns taken off of him as he had mental health issues. Big mess up there.
 
The 4chan thread was a shocking revelation to me. Seems there's an online scene of an increasing number of troubled boys who feel the world deserves revenge for their situation and stimulate eachother in making these dark fantasies reality.
This seems to indicate a bigger problem in American society. Was hoping he'd say something about that.

He did. That the rest of the world has mental illness issues, but the one thing that sets apart the US from every other similar country is its gun obsession.
 
I don't wanna stereotype the right, but damn common guys. A problem must be solved and they have no idea what that really means about the stuff they care about the most.
 
I'm sad for those in the United States who are ready for a change on gun laws and culture (and more support for mental health)...

RIP. From Canada.
 
Already had one friend on Facebook refer to Obama as "President Asshole" who needs to let people mourn and not capitalize on this. I swear I hate living in the south sometimes.

HOW DARE HE POLITICIZE THIS.

IM GONNA GET ON FACEBOOK AND AIR OUT MY POLITICAL VIEWS ON HIS POLITICS.
 
What about isolated gun crimes (i.e where there's one or two victims)?

I believe they have been dropping each yeah for the last 10 years. The number per 1000 is also basically a spec of dust comparing to the US average.

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Criminals will also be able to get guns in as they can be had very easily in some European countries.
 
Glad I live in the UK where we have much stricter gun control. The amount of power the gun lobby has in America is abhorrent.

Best of luck to those Americans who want things to change. I think you're gonna need it :/

I read he was British and moved here as a boy. This would not have happened in the UK. None of this would have happened if we had British gun laws :(
 
I hope eggman sues CNN and becomes rich. He's been depressed and was the butt of trolling over a certain board at 4ch (but then 4ch does this to anyone who posts face pics and uses a tripcode). Never thought I'd wake up and see him on the fucking news one day as the face of a serial socially frustrated murderer. Really goes to show just how out of touch these news stations can be.

I also don't think the killer posted that thread. Mass killing threads are made every day, which is why they're not taken seriously anymore even by FBI.
 
The funny thing about that video was that everything he was saying through gritted teeth actually applied to himself a lot more than Obama.

At one point he seemed to imply that the shooting might not have even happened

I just do not understand how he and all the guys supporting him in the comments listen to Obama and just hear "I'm a homosexual dictator arab and I'm coming for your guns" when it's blatantly obvious he's insane when he claims the shooting might not have happened

Fuck, would this video's dislike bar even be that big if it wasn't posted on Gaf? People's attachment to guns honestly baffles me and I'm glad the UK doesn't have America's gun laws.
 
I believe they have been dropping each yeah for the last 10 years. The number per 1000 is also basically a spec of dust comparing to the US average.

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Criminals will also be able to get guns in as they can be had very easily in some European countries.

Last year I believe the England and Wales figure was around 8000 incidents

Put in context, 0.2% of all recorded crime in the UK last year involved a firearm.
 
One question I never see asked or answered here. Who actually writes to their local politician asking for things to change? I mean every thread here is the same people wanting things to change but does anyone do more than asking for things to change on here?
 
Y'AIN'T GITT'N MAH GUNZ!

Jesus Christ in a blender this guy is a fucking nutjob. See, THIS is the kind of asshole who should not own a fucking gun. This guy shouldn't even own a goddamn spork or any other plastic cutlery. This is a dangerous man, hands down.

What the fuck does he believe will happen if our guns are taken away? I hope this dipshit realizes if the government wanted to deep six you they can even if you own a fucking arsenal.
Your pea shooter won't stop them from doing whatever the fuck it is these people believe is going down, FFS.

In-fucking-sane.

We have to be the last line of defense after the U.S. government is overthrown by North Korea. Haven't you played Homefront?
 
Man, that was some speech. I don't think I've seen such an honest statement. I just see a pissed guy talking who seems to be powerless to make any changes to the government he is supposed to be in control of. I'm not american so not 100% sure how it works but you guys need to sort it out. I know it's your rights to own a gun and I know people are really protective of that. Damn right you should be but this is just gonna keep happening. It's not about completely banning guns but just making it harder for people who want to do harm to get their hands on it.

I hope America that you sort this out. It's a shame to keep hearing about all these murders. Enough should be enough.

30,000 a year. We have 10 September 11th's every year due to gun violence and nothing changes.
 
Criminals will also be able to get guns in as they can be had very easily in some European countries.

Criminals don't buy guns in stores to begin with. They buy them illegally and unregistered. Nothing changes either way for criminals.

The point is not criminals having access to weapons, it's the lunatics getting their hands on them, gun control should be aimed to keep guns away from those people.
 
One question I never see asked or answered here. Who actually writes to their local politician asking for things to change? I mean every thread here is the same people wanting things to change but does anyone do more than asking for things to change on here?

I have, but I live in fucking Georgia so I know my voice isn't heard
 
Once again you 1) accuse me of ignoring the evidence, 2) yet don't provide the evidence that I asked for, just a lot of neat factoids about public opinion towards gun laws that don't necessarily prove that Congress is being bought off by the NRA, and 3) presuppose I hold certain opinions when really, I've said almost nothing to indicate my opinion on one side of this issue or the other.

You've already been provided with that evidence, though. You keep glossing over Vertigo's link showing NRA contributions to Congress, which spiked in 2013, coincidentally around the same time background check legislation -- widely demanded by a majority of Americans following Sandy Hook -- failed to get off the ground. You've ignored this literally three times now. And you've ignored the point of those "neat factoids" I posted, which is that most people do support moderate gun control legislation, so clearly Congressional inaction is not rooted in a lack of interest from their voters; just the opposite, their voters would very much like them to do the thing they're not doing at all!

So let's lay this out again: most Americans support some degree of gun control reform; Congress fails to enact any kind of gun control reform; the ATF has been hamstrung for years in what can do to enforce existing gun laws; and there is documented proof of NRA contributions and gun lobbying influence in Congress. And your takeaway is, "well the NRA doesn't seem to have anything to do with this"?

I don't need to presuppose anything, you've made your opinion abundantly clear with how willfully you ignore the situation.

I don't have time to debate someone who seems more interested in arguing from a place of anger towards gun fanatics (which I am not) than rational discourse, so I'm done here. But FYI, I have no idea what the "cable lobby" even is and I'm 100% supportive of a free, neutral, uncensored Internet.

lol, well I suppose that answers my next question.

And don't give me this shit about "arguing from a place of anger instead of rational discourse." There's no rational discourse to be had; when you have crazed gun owners who are so paranoid about the government taking away their rights and firearms, when you have people convinced that their right to bear arms will defend themselves against some inevitable tyrant, when you have people convinced that these mass shootings are false flag operations designed for eroding the 2nd Amendment, when you have people who look at worldwide statistics showing the correlation between stricter gun control laws and fewer gun deaths and then promptly ignore them, there's nothing rational about the conversation anymore. These lunatics are too divorced from reality to speak to rationally. And when there are mass shootings happening on a more than daily basis, and thousands of people are dying without a single peep from Congress, you better fucking believe you're going to have people speaking from a place of anger. That should make you angry.
 
I have, but I live in fucking Georgia so I know my voice isn't heard

I have kind of the opposite situation: I have written to my senator, but it's Elizabeth Warren, who I already agree with nearly all the time anyway. She doesn't really need any extra prodding from me!
 
I hope eggman sues CNN and becomes rich. He's been depressed and was the butt of trolling over a certain board at 4ch (but then 4ch does this to anyone who posts face pics and uses a tripcode). Never thought I'd wake up and see him on the fucking news one day as the face of a serial socially frustrated murderer. Really goes to show just how out of touch these news stations can be.

I also don't think the killer posted that thread. Mass killing threads are made every day, which is why they're not taken seriously anymore even by FBI.

Wait, our Eggman? I hope he does too, dude was great.
 
I imagine actually giving a shit and having to be President of the completely cancerous unmoveable dinosaur that is US politics is incredibly frustrating.

When the supposedly most powerful man on the planet cant even conduct fucking data surveys because of some truly asinine shit, the whole system needs to be just fucking nuked and started again.

Lock the people that disagree up on a boat and send them into the ocean to build another country.

I understand where you are coming from and i wish that was possible, but that kind of stuff only happens with a dictatorship. Some of us often dislike dictatorships but at times like these it's pretty effective :p
 
The President didn't say anything that doesn't make sense. Collectively, as a nation, we need to put legislation (by proxy of putting legislators) in place that seek to make us all safer.

And as an aside, if that's all it takes to perceive a black man as angry, I fear for anyone of color that shows any hint of frustration.
 
Already had one friend on Facebook refer to Obama as "President Asshole" who needs to let people mourn and not capitalize on this. I swear I hate living in the south sometimes.

This is my whole Facebook. It's like they are ok with people dying as long as we have no gun control. Absolutely insane.
 
I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. I agree with him on pretty much everything with the exception of how he handles whistleblowers, which itself is frightening if you read up on it, but I won't derail from the topic. I watched his speech last night and I have to say that in all his 7 years as president, this speech to me was his most powerful. I could feel his frustration and general disappointment in not only Congress, but the populace as a whole for electing these people and being so ignorant.
 
It becomes especially chilling once you realise all those crazy people on Facebook in America has access to a gun.

Oh, this person seems racist, demonstrates a poor lack of judgement on a daily basis, and displays a disturbing lack of empathy! No worries though, heres your gun and ammo!
 
The 4chan thread was a shocking revelation to me. Seems there's an online scene of an increasing number of troubled boys who feel the world deserves revenge for their situation and stimulate eachother in making these dark fantasies reality.
This seems to indicate a bigger problem in American society. Was hoping he'd say something about that.

I think that's an inherent problem with Internet culture. You have a depressed person who congregates with other depressed people, none of which are willing to help each other. Couple that with the stereotypical Internet tough-guy who can say anything he wants because when it's just words on the screen, it's easy to stay emotionally removed from the situation. People end up in a bubble of anger/depression/whatever and at some point, the bubble pops and stuff like this happens. It's tragic on so many levels.
 
I think that's an inherent problem with Internet culture. You have a depressed person who congregates with other depressed people, none of which are willing to help each other. Couple that with the stereotypical Internet tough-guy who can say anything he wants because when it's just words on the screen, it's easy to stay emotionally removed from the situation. People end up in a bubble of anger/depression/whatever and at some point, the bubble pops and stuff like this happens. It's tragic on so many levels.

Its less internet culture and just more depressed, socially excluded people being social with one another. Internet gives them an outlet but the problem exists without it. In fact, I feel internet to some extent helps them, as they find others who are like them which probably uplifts them. Guns are a problem with people in such situations specially if they don't get the support and help they need. Its not like other countries don't have people who don't go through suicidal thoughts, its that they don't have a gun in sight. Eventually, they probably also get the help they need and deal with their issues.

Focus needs to go on providing more family or social support to socially isolated teens. I feel in the case of Elliot Rodgers, it could have been avoided had one of his parents sit down to talk about those issues with him. Problem is not all of them turn out like this, some are just introverted and fine with living a quite life all. Still, we need to identify the troubled ones and help them - and keep guns out of their household.
 
Oh jesus, the amount of people who are all like "well maybe his secret service shouldn't have guns either. AHA! GOTCHA!" They're completely missing not only the point, but exactly what it is Obama wants to do. They care more about their toys than the lives of human beings. Disgusting.

Unfortunately, many gun owners seem to have this mentality. They don't see it that way though.
 
If some of you want to detract from gun control with mental illness instead, then all of these people commenting on social media ought to be addressed, because they're fucking ill.
 
This was a great speech, not only for its commentary on gun violence, but also as an illustration of just how divided America is on some issues, and how destructive innaction can be.
 
Unfortunately, many gun owners seem to have this mentality. They don't see it that way though.

Plenty do. You had a guy in this very thread say he doesn't care about anyone but his family and close friends. On the more extreme end of it, you had people heckling the parents of Sandy Hook victims, saying that their gun rights were more important than their dead kids.

It's really just an offshoot of the "I've got mine, now you're on your own" mentality. It's the same thing that poisons the welfare/social safety net conversation.
 
You don't have to edit names out of a public page.

I'm glad most of those commenters are old and will be dead soon.

Eh, I just did it because even though they don't deserve much respect, I wouldn't want someone plastering my name on a random internet message board.
 
So strange and bizarre.
Here in Australia, we're proud of our gun laws. With the small exception of the lunatics left and right wing are all in favour of our gun controls. Just don't understand how political partisanship can make people so immune to seeing people getting killed.
 
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