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[RunLikeH3LL]

I'm going to miss Obama.

I can't imagine how frustrated he is dealing with a house that is unwilling to take any steps whatsoever to address the problem of mass shootings.

I am confused by the high fives everyone is giving Obama over a speech he most likely didn’t even wright. Has he presented any actual gun control plans that would deter or prevent these shootings from occurring? Including plans that would prevent daily shootings that occur every day in places like Camden?

 

[KHarvey16]

I am confused by the high fives everyone is giving Obama over a speech he most likely didn’t even wright. Has he presented any actual gun control plans that would deter or prevent these shootings from occurring? Including plans that would prevent daily shootings that occur every day in places like Camden?

Did you listen to the speech he didn't wright?

 

[Veritigo_X]

I am confused by the high fives everyone is giving Obama over a speech he most likely didn’t even wright. Has he presented any actual gun control plans that would deter or prevent these shootings from occurring? Including plans that would prevent daily shootings that occur every day in places like Camden?

Sure. He put forward gun legislature in 2013 that was all shot down by congress. Should be noted that the NRA spent a record amount on congressional lobbying that particular year.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/16/us/obama-gun-control-proposal.html

 

[RunLikeH3LL]

Sure. He put forward gun legislature in 2013 that was all shot down by congress. Should be noted that the NRA spent a record amount on congressional lobbying that particular year.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/16/us/obama-gun-control-proposal.html

I saw those, but where are the plans for today? The NRA rejected them, sure, but why? How can the president and law makers present a plan that helps prevent gun crime and also respect the rights of current responsible gun owners?

That really what I am looking for. Someone who is truly passionate about gun control wouldn’t had given up in 2013, that individual would had kept fighting and presented new plans until the very end of their term.

 

[Wreav]

I am confused by the high fives everyone is giving Obama over a speech he most likely didn’t even wright. Has he presented any actual gun control plans that would deter or prevent these shootings from occurring? Including plans that would prevent daily shootings that occur every day in places like Camden?

You're not in a particularly good position to judge wrighting.

 

[Future]

I am confused by the high fives everyone is giving Obama over a speech he most likely didn’t even wright. Has he presented any actual gun control plans that would deter or prevent these shootings from occurring? Including plans that would prevent daily shootings that occur every day in places like Camden?

Posts like this make me sad. Because unless they get a news bulletin straight into their ear the second the president attempts legislation, people assume nothing is being done and he's just worthless. Instead of listening that speech, hearing the complaints that congress is stopping legislation, and researching what he may have meant by that.... They just assume he's not even trying

And then they vote for trump.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I saw those, but where are the plans for today? The NRA rejected them, sure, but why? How can the president and law makers present a plan that helps prevent gun crime and also respect the rights of current responsible gun owners?

That really what I am looking for. Someone who is truly passionate about gun control wouldn’t had given up in 2013, that individual would had kept fighting and presented new plans until the very end of their term.

Why the hell do you think?

Conservatives won't allow ANY gun control legislation no matter what it entails.

They won't even allow the proper government bodies to RESEARCH the situation to begin to figure out what kind of legislation can or cant work. The entire system is designed to keep things as they are right now.

 

[Sobriquet]

The NRA rejected them, sure, but why?

Because they reject everything.

 

[RunLikeH3LL]

You're not in a particularly good position to judge wrighting.

Thank you, I’ll put this comment in my shoe box of useful comments.

 

[Veritigo_X]

I saw those, but where are the plans for today? The NRA rejected them, sure, but why? How can the president and law makers present a plan that helps prevent gun crime and also respect the rights of current responsible gun owners?

That really what I am looking for. Someone who is truly passionate about gun control wouldn’t had given up in 2013, that individual would had kept fighting and presented new plans until the very end of their term.

Because gun owners and the NRA can't hear the words "gun control" without stockpiling ammo and forming militias to fight the government. The president can make proposals on this issue, but ultimately it falls on congress to write and pass the laws. Putting the blame on Obama just shows you don't understand how the US government functions.

 

[B-Dubs]

I saw those, but where are the plans for today? The NRA rejected them, sure, but why? How can the president and law makers present a plan that helps prevent gun crime and also respect the rights of current responsible gun owners?

That really what I am looking for. Someone who is truly passionate about gun control wouldn’t had given up in 2013, that individual would had kept fighting and presented new plans until the very end of their term.

Your first paragraph shows how little you've actually payed attention to the gun debate over the years. Which is to say you've paid no attention what-so-ever.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

I saw those, but where are the plans for today? The NRA rejected them, sure, but why? How can the president and law makers present a plan that helps prevent gun crime and also respect the rights of current responsible gun owners?

Law makers. Also known as: congress.

You mean this congress? The one we've had since 2010? Have you been in cryo sleep the last five years?

 

[GaimeGuy]

I hear shit like this every single day from people around me. They don't read about any of this stuff, but they have vivid imagery of Obama sitting around doing nothing popping up in every conversation.

Obama described IN HIS SPEECH why this is so difficult, that he isn't even allowed to get the data he needs due to measures taken by Congress against any gun control. The change has to start coming from both sides otherwise we literally can't do anything, because that's how the system is built to work.

Yes. That's why he asked news organizations to gather the data. His administration is legally barred from doing so.

 

[Blader]

I am confused by the high fives everyone is giving Obama over a speech he most likely didn’t even wright. Has he presented any actual gun control plans that would deter or prevent these shootings from occurring? Including plans that would prevent daily shootings that occur every day in places like Camden?

The most basic, sensible, and widely supported measure is implementing universal background checks. Congress wouldn't even do that. There's nowhere to go from there; that's the bare minimum of gun control legislation, and lobbyists and crazed gun owners won't even compromise on that. And as has already been pointed out, the government isn't even allowed to research potentially alternative means of gun control because Congress won't allow that either.

If Congress doesn't do something, then nothing can happen. And they don't want to do anything. So nothing is happening nor will it happen for the foreseeable future.

 

[Veritigo_X]

A lot of us could do with brushing up on how the government we complain so much about actually works.

We can start with the whole idea of three branches of government, of which Obama is responsible for a grand total of one...

I can't recommend this video enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEPd98CbbMk

This should be shown in schools so people can understand our government.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

A lot of us could do with brushing up on how the government we complain so much about actually works.

It would probably help things along if the cable news networks, political pundits and members of congress themselves would do that, too.

 

[RoninChaos]

The problem with the gun lobby is the same as everything else when it comes to Obama. Republicans have gone out of their way to be against EVERYTHING he stands for. Obama could come out and say "air is great! I love breathing." And republicans would suffocate themselves just to prove him wrong.

And the right is bolstered by a lunatic fringe part of their party that they continually cater to and continually rile up. That is why you have these nut cases who claim shit like false flags. Their representatives are on the take and won't speak out against this kind of lunacy because they'd get voted out of office.

 

[Socat]

so spot on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awgs0burFTk

get a grip, america

Thanks for making the rage at the futility of this situation a little more tolerable. Needed that. Let's hope something actually happens to make this less of a common occurrence

 

[Angelus Errare]

Obama could come out and say "air is great! I love breathing." And republicans would suffocate themselves just to prove him wrong.

I am stealing this. Thank you.

 

[dan2026]

The poor guy looks utterly miserable and defeated.

America what the hell are you doing?

 

[MrBadger]

I am confused by the high fives everyone is giving Obama over a speech he most likely didn’t even wright. Has he presented any actual gun control plans that would deter or prevent these shootings from occurring? Including plans that would prevent daily shootings that occur every day in places like Camden?

Do you think Obama is happy about the fact that he's powerless to do anything about this?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

The poor guy looks utterly miserable and defeated.

America what the hell are you doing?

Can't hear logic over the sound of repeatedly shooting bullets into the air and screaming YEEEHAW!

We must seriously look like Yosemite Sam to the rest of the world at this point. Every American should be fucking embarrassed.

 

[Veritigo_X]

The problem with the gun lobby is the same as everything else when it comes to Obama. Republicans have gone out of their way to be against EVERYTHING he stands for. Obama could come out and say "air is great! I love breathing." And republicans would suffocate themselves just to prove him wrong.

And the right is bolstered by a lunatic fringe part of their party that they continually cater to and continually rile up. That is why you have these nut cases who claim shit like false flags. Their representatives are on the take and won't speak out against this kind of lunacy because they'd get voted out of office.

That is an issue, but I don't think it's the main problem here. NRA and other pro-gun lobbies would oppose any gun legislature, no matter who proposes it. That's literally their job.

 

[RunLikeH3LL]

Can't hear logic over the sound of repeatedly shooting bullets into the air and screaming YEEEHAW!

We must seriously look like Yosemite Sam to the rest of the world at this point. Every American should be fucking embarrassed.

Gun nuts are more vocal then guns owners that respect and fear their hobby. That is part of the issue.

 

[dan2026]

Can't hear logic over the sound of repeatedly shooting bullets into the air and screaming YEEEHAW!

We must seriously look like Yosemite Sam to the rest of the world at this point. Every American should be fucking embarrassed.

It looks pretty fucking awful from the outside let me tell you.

 

[Garlador]

The problem with the gun lobby is the same as everything else when it comes to Obama. Republicans have gone out of their way to be against EVERYTHING he stands for. Obama could come out and say "air is great! I love breathing." And republicans would suffocate themselves just to prove him wrong.

... You're not wrong.
People are Idiots

 

[EloquentM]

The "has Obama done anything??" Arguments are so confusing as if he's not doing anything on purpose. It's not up to him, sadly.

 

[Unknown One]

The poor guy looks utterly miserable and defeated.

America what the hell are you doing?

Voting in the Republican party that opposes everything he does and act like babies.

 

[dabig2]

The "has Obama done anything??" Arguments are so confusing as if he's not doing anything on purpose. It's not up to him, sadly.

Seriously. Our government was crafted to stall progress. Gun legislation after Sandy Hook lost with a +13 vote advantage or something like that. It lost with a majority due to filibuster and other petty shit. Most times having the ability to even bring an item to the floor just to discuss if it's something to go forward with is denied. There is nothing the President can do about it. That's why he's so frustrated. There isn't a damn thing he can do other than pontificate to the american public, who are the true responsible ones.

 

[Joeku]

... You're not wrong.
People are Idiots

Oh my god, for a blissful few months I had forgotten about rolling coal. Now it's back in my skull. Aaargh

 

[Sölf]

... You're not wrong.
People are Idiots

Wtf? People are indeed idiots. >_>

 

[Frog-fu]

You'd think responsible gun owners would be the number No. 1 supporters of comprehensive gun legislation.

Unfortunately that ain't the world we live in.

 

[Sinatar]

Unfortunately that ain't the country we live in.

Fixed that for you. The rest of the civilized world has sorted this shit out.

As a Canadian watching this from the outside, Americans looks absolutely insane at this point.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

You'd think responsible gun owners would be the number No. 1 supporters of comprehensive gun legislation.

Unfortunately that ain't the world we live in.

No they all want everyone carrying guns on school campuses.

 

[Mael]

... You're not wrong.
People are Idiots

See? I told you Volkswagen would be ok, there's a market for their trafficked cars!

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Great speech, don't know how he could have said it any better. It's crazy to me that you can have the head of state coming out and saying something like this and still nothing will be done.

 

[jstripes]

I fear, and I hope this does not happen, but the only thing that is going to change the status quo is if a gunman successfully infiltrates Congress while it is in session and shoots the place up. We've already proven with Gabrielle Giffords that just shooting a congressman in their home state isn't enough.

I reiterate that I don't condone this action or want it to happen, but I honestly don't see any other way of spurring quick change.

That wouldn't even do it. They'd just suggest everyone in Congress be armed.

There is literally nothing that would convince gun nuts that gun restrictions should be brought in. I'd wager that even their own family being shot would in their mind still be a fair trade-off for "freedom".

 

[RunLikeH3LL]

Your first paragraph shows how little you've actually payed attention to the gun debate over the years. Which is to say you've paid no attention what-so-ever.

How so? Please explain.

 

[Deified Data]

So the shooter allegedly targeted Christians, just like what didn't actually happen at Columbine.

So we've seen the narrative that will drown out gun regulation on the right. And here I thought it'd be about 4chan.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Just showed up in my facebook feed. These comments... damn..

Small sample:

And there are over 4,000 of them.

Your country is fucked. Just fucked.

 

[TheBlackMarvel]

... You're not wrong.
People are Idiots

"I run into a lot of people that really don’t like Obama at all," the salesperson said. "If he’s into the environment, if he’s into this or that, we’re not. I hear a lot of that. To get a single stack on my truck—that’s my way of giving them the finger. You want clean air and a tiny carbon footprint? Well, screw you."

Jesus fucking wept.

 

[KHarvey16]

How so? Please explain.

If you had, you'd know the steps that have been put forth and attempted, and why those failed. Even efforts to do research and collect data in an attempt to simply identify the best strategies to curb gun violence were blocked by congress.

Did you notice the part where he told news agencies to collect the data and show terrorists deaths next to gun deaths? He wasn't being coy, he is legally barred from providing them that information.

 

[evilromero]

Your country is fucked. Just fucked.

It's not pretty much sometimes I try to hold out hope. Then I remember how insane and vocal the far right (and those who we'd probably lump into that group) are. They're unreasonable. They act on too much emotion, hate, anger, insecurity, cowardliness, etc.

It's difficult to reason with someone who has decided that societal issues and the like are related to bipartisan American politics. It's frustrating. You're essentially dealing with someone who feels marginalized by society, feels threatened and wants to place blame on someone who they have determined to be undermining them (or possibly they see as being intellectually superior and without saying so, is making light of their inferiority through action).

 

[HammerOfThor]

So did any news organization actually run the numbers for terrorist attacks vs gun violence?

 

[rambis]

So did any news organization actually run the numbers for terrorist attacks vs gun violence?

Yeah i was about to do a thread actually. The numbers are as expected.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/index.html

 

[B-Dubs]

So did any news organization actually run the numbers for terrorist attacks vs gun violence?

Yes. You don't want to see the results, it will make you cry. Even 9/11 is a blip on the radar compared to deaths by gun violence.

 

[abundant]

There is literally nothing that would convince gun nuts that gun restrictions should be brought in. I'd wager that even their own family being shot would in their mind still be a fair trade-off for "freedom".

Pretty much. Whenever I bring up gun restrictions to my father, it's the same old tired rhetoric of "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." completely missing the entire point of why we need this. It's really frustrating.

 

[jmdajr]

It's not pretty much sometimes I try to hold out hope. Then I remember how insane and vocal the far right (and those who we'd probably lump into that group) are. They're unreasonable. They act on too much emotion, hate, anger, insecurity, cowardliness, etc.

It's difficult to reason with someone who has decided that societal issues and the like are related to bipartisan American politics. It's frustrating. You're essentially dealing with someone who feels marginalized by society, feels threatened and wants to place blame on someone who they have determined to be undermining them (or possibly they see as being intellectually superior and without saying so, is making light of their inferiority through action).

It's really only 40% or less. But holy shit they are LOUD.

 

[Deified Data]

That wouldn't even do it. They'd just suggest everyone in Congress be armed.

There is literally nothing that would convince gun nuts that gun restrictions should be brought in. I'd wager that even their own family being shot would in their mind still be a fair trade-off for "freedom".

I don't think they'd consider it a trade-off, more like "my family died because they weren't armed - we need more guns".

 

[John Kowalski]

Just showed up in my facebook feed. These comments... damn..

Small sample:

And there are over 4,000 of them.

look at all those dicks