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[Fantomex]

Fantomex, I love you brother, but this is bullshit. Go look up stats on Miami's running game during any of these seasons and compare them to what we have going on this year. Do the same with defensive stats if you wish. Tannehill is expected to come from behind every game with zero pass blocking and zero running game. He's made his fair share of mistakes but he is being sent out like a lamb to the slaughter against teams with good d-lines like the Jets and Bills.

I'm not making excuses for him, I'm calling it like I see it.


Andy Dalton is playing at a top 5 level this year and I wouldn't call him elite.

And maybe not all of those things, but how about ONE of them? Is that too much to ask?

I'm 36 years old Red. I've seen this a ton just like you have. I actually believe most of the Dolphins fans completely agree with you and see it the way you see it. So Tannehill will get 2 more years. They'll patch up the OL next year, the year after that they'll bring some big name as a running back to take the heat off. Let's use Adrian Peterson as an example. He will make Stafford like mistakes and he will be shown the door. And then everyone will come along for the ride.

With Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Luck, Manning, Rivers and even non elites like Wilson and Ryan, theres just something about the guys that makes them stand out and you know you have a franchise QB. Tannehill is never gonna have that. He's the poor mans Andy Dalton. Yeah that sums it up perfectly. He's Andy Dalton ME, before XP came out.

 

[LJ11]

Timing of that Tannehill story is strange. Team is in total disarray so it makes sense that's the kind of stuff that oozes out

Yeah, could very well be true, but it's the usual shit that gets thrown around when it hits the fan.

 

[Bread]

If you wanna bring up stats, Tannehill had a 93.5 passer rating with 64.7% completion rating in the first game and a 108.0 passer rating with a 68.2% completion in his second game. And he's passed 1000 yards on the season already after 4 games. And he's already been sacked 10 times in the season. He's an accurate QB.

But you know, dude has 2 bad games and people are have to hit the panic button lol.

2 good games and 2 bad games, with the first 2 against a couple of the worst teams in the league.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Everyone on this damn board is so quick to jump on you and scream down your throat about how stupid you are and how idiotic it is for you to suggest anything that goes against conventional thinking. Maybe top 5 is a stretch which all of you are so brilliant to point out, but hell yes I think Tannehill could be a top 10 or better QB on a team with SOME SEMBLANCE of support like the Bills, Jets, or Bengals. I feel this way because he has shown what he can do when he's not doing it completely on his own.

How do you think Andy Dalton would look on this Dolphins team?

 

[skLaFarebear]

I wouldn't even say he played "bad", no oline and we fall behind right out of the gate, don't even pretend to establish the run, teams are just teeing off on Tannehill, he's been hit/sacked more than any other QB since he came into the league. But no he's the Dolphins problem and it's time to move on apparently.

Oh i agree. Im just going purely based off the stats. The numbers aren't entirely representative of what he's shown on the field in the last two weeks.

 

[MiamiWesker]

If you wanna bring up stats, Tannehill had a 93.5 passer rating with 64.7% completion rating in the first game and a 108.0 passer rating with a 68.2% completion in his second game. And he's passed 1000 yards on the season already after 4 games. And he's already been sacked 10 times in the season. He's an accurate QB.

But you know, dude has 2 bad games and people are have to hit the panic button lol.

He's tannehill, he is fine, not great. Yes this year is a down year cause of the horrible O-line. Still somethings won't change. He is not the guy that will put the team on his back and put together a game winning drive at the end. He does not have the ability to have a quick strike bomb offense. He can't hit a fade in the end zone if his life depended on it. He is Alex Smith, meh.

 

[captive]

If you wanna bring up stats, Tannehill had a 93.5 passer rating with 64.7% completion rating in the first game and a 108.0 passer rating with a 68.2% completion in his second game. And he's passed 1000 yards on the season already after 4 games. And he's already been sacked 10 times in the season. He's an accurate QB.

But you know, dude has 2 bad games and people are have to hit the panic button lol.

whoa, he's thrown for ~250 yards per game. Elite.

 

[eznark]

If you wanna bring up stats, Tannehill had a 59.7 passer rating with 53% completion rating in the third game and a 53.0 passer rating with a 43% completion in his fourth game. And he's thrown 7 interceptions on the season already after 4 games. And he's already been sacked 10 times in the season. He's the most accurate sub 60% completion QB around!

But you know, dude has 2 good games and people are have to hit the elite button lol.

hm

Glad I didn't have to change the sack thing at least

 

[Himynameischris]

Everyone on this damn board is so quick to jump on you and scream down your throat about how stupid you are and how idiotic it is for you to suggest anything that goes against conventional thinking. Maybe top 5 is a stretch which all of you are so brilliant to point out, but hell yes I think Tannehill could be a top 10 or better QB on a team with SOME SEMBLANCE of support like the Bills, Jets, or Bengals. I feel this way because he has shown what he can do when he's not doing it completely on his own.

How do you think Andy Dalton would look on this Dolphins team?

It's too late Darkest, the mob has decided that Tannehill is trash, it's time to move on friend.

Oh i agree. Im just going purely based off the stats. The numbers aren't entirely representative of what he's shown on the field in the last two weeks.

Yup, but no he sucks, let's just move on.

He's tannehill, he is fine, not great. Yes this year is a down year cause of the horrible O-line. Still somethings won't change. He is not the guy that will put the team on his back and put together a game winning drive at the end. He does not have the ability to have a quick strike bomb offense. He can't hit a fade in the end zone if his life depended on it. He is Alex Smith, meh.

Tannehill looks great in a two min/hurry up offense though....

I know what's going on here, obviously I'm watching a different Tannehill from another dimension, my bad.

 

[eznark]

Everyone on this damn board is so quick to jump on you and scream down your throat about how stupid you are and how idiotic it is for you to suggest anything that goes against conventional thinking. Maybe top 5 is a stretch which all of you are so brilliant to point out, but hell yes I think Tannehill could be a top 10 or better QB on a team with SOME SEMBLANCE of support like the Bills, Jets, or Bengals. I feel this way because he has shown what he can do when he's not doing it completely on his own.

How do you think Andy Dalton would look on this Dolphins team?

There is a pretty huge gulf between top 5 and top 10 in the NFL right now. Not our problem if you wrote something you didn't mean!

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Reminder from this morning:

The Dolphins have played the Redskins, Jaguars, Bills, and Jets.

The defense is ranked 30th in yards allowed per game at 399.5.

They are ranked 32nd in rushing yards allowed per game at 160.5. The next closest team is Cleveland at 141.5

The defense has 3 takeaways in 4 games.

The defense has 1 sack in 4 games, putting them at 32nd in the category, 17 sacks behind Denver.

The rushing offense is 31st in the league with 69.3 yards per game.

 

[RELAYER]

Top 10 is also kind of stretching it.

 

[LJ11]

whoa, he's thrown for ~250 yards per game. Elite.

Hey, you'd fucking sign up for Tannehill right now, most teams would!

I liked him coming out, thought he had a lot of upside, had trouble working the middle of the field but the Aggies didn''t have many WR threats. It was built around the OL, and heavy run game.

He's not a terrible QB, does some dumb shit at times, he's certainly near the upper half of the league. His OL is trash, hard to judge Tannehill.

 

[yankeehater]

Everyone on this damn board is so quick to jump on you and scream down your throat about how stupid you are and how idiotic it is for you to suggest anything that goes against conventional thinking. Maybe top 5 is a stretch which all of you are so brilliant to point out, but hell yes I think Tannehill could be a top 10 or better QB on a team with SOME SEMBLANCE of support like the Bills, Jets, or Bengals. I feel this way because he has shown what he can do when he's not doing it completely on his own.

How do you think Andy Dalton would look on this Dolphins team?

This might be the truest thing anyone has ever posted. Tanny will be fine, bad coaching drags everything down with it. Improve the OL, get a coach who will run the damn ball, and see what he can do. I really think he can be a top QB if put in the right situation.

 

[Lubricus]

Kyle Shanahan to Miami.

No,no,no,no,no.no. We need him in Atlanta right now.
I'm hoping Miami uses a coordinator as interim the rest of the season.

 

[levious]

Something about tannehill I never see mentioned, he's fumbled nine times in each of his first three full seasons. This year he has fumbled once in every game.

 

[skLaFarebear]

He's tannehill, he is fine, not great. Yes this year is a down year cause of the horrible O-line. Still somethings won't change. He is not the guy that will put the team on his back and put together a game winning drive at the end. He does not have the ability to have a quick strike bomb offense. He can't hit a fade in the end zone if his life depended on it. He is Alex Smith, meh.

Its why you need a good coach to plan around his strengths and hide his weaknesses. Kaep took his team to consecutive NFC championships and almost won a SB. Obviously Kaep also had a much better team around him, but that's the exact point im trying to make.

2 good games and 2 bad games, with the first 2 against a couple of the worst teams in the league.

Gotta factor in the second half of the last season where he was playing much better than the last two games as well.

 

[Talon]

"[Quarterback] looks great in a 2-minute situation." has been said about everyone ranging from fucking Ryan Mallett to Mike Vick.

Jesus fuck, what do you think that means?

 

[captive]

Hey, you'd fucking sign up for Tannehill right now, most teams would!

I liked him coming out, thought he had a lot of upside, had trouble working the middle of the field but the Aggies didn''t have many WR threats. It was built around the OL, and heavy run game.

He's not a terrible QB, does some dumb shit at times, he's certainly near the upper half of the league. His OL is trash, hard to judge Tannehill.

hey, if only fans of good teams can talk shit, this thread is going to be very boring.

Also you're right id try my luck with Tannehill.

Hell right now id like to see Savage, but no they decided to put him on IR despite not actually breaking his shoulder.

 

[Gully State]

I guess it's good I missed yesterday's niner's game...I feel genuinely bad for Kap. The front office and coaching staff have broken him. Not to say that Kap isn't to blame for his poor play but with the way the ownership has set this situation up, I have little faith that even if we ever draft the next big franchise passer, the system won't be in place to properly develop him.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2015/10/05/jed-yorks-biggest-mistakes-kaepernick-edition-under-valuing-the-qb-expertise-of-harbaugh-and-roman-over-valuing-dilfer-chryst-and-steve-logan-wth/#more-29179

http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/the-49ers-ruined-colin-kaepernick/

 

[eznark]

Hey, you'd fucking sign up for Tannehill right now, most teams would!

I liked him coming out, thought he had a lot of upside, had trouble working the middle of the field but the Aggies didn''t have many WR threats. It was built around the OL, and heavy run game.

He's not a terrible QB, does some dumb shit at times, he's certainly near the upper half of the league. His OL is trash, hard to judge Tannehill.

His OL has been brutal most of his career though. And how many first round quarterbacks have the luxury of playing for the same head coach for 4 seasons, not to mention an offensive minded one like Philbin.

If he hasn't made strides by now, I just don't see what it will be that can help him. Philbin was instrumental in Rodgers' development, Lazor was the Next Big Thing. They failed to take him beyond mediocre...but some college scrub or Jim Schwartz will have the answers?

I don't buy it.

 

[cdyhybrid]

Go Hawks!

 

[Wrayfield]

I don't blame Tannehill for being bitchy in practice. Sounds petty until you actually realise how shitty your situation is. Sure, could've handled it better, yaddayadda, but it's practice so who gives a hit. This is news because everyone likes to have a good laugh at the Phins now. Can't blame them.

Next coach, whoever that might be, hopefully puts him to a test and gives him one more year to prove himself. If not, goodbye, let's start from scratch then.

Glad papa Joe is gone, but be good wherever you go. Coaching QBs who are already top 5 and get your check would be ideal for him. Guy seems alrightish but too vanilla for a HC position. He had his chance, more time than some others had really.

For the rest of the season I don't care about results. Just want to see some sort of energy, especially on D. You've got nothing to lose so go out and have some fun. Spoil shit for teams that are doing well would be a motivation I could get behind.

Right, I'm getting myself another drink. Fuck the Pats (minus Milch and Dutch and Act), go rapey mammals and try not to embarrass yourselves too much in the next 12 games.

 

[Fantomex]

It's too late Darkest, the mob has decided that Tannehill is trash, it's time to move on friend.



Yup, but no he sucks, let's just move on.



Tannehill looks great in a two min/hurry up offense though....

I know what's going on here, obviously I'm watching a different Tannehill from another dimension, my bad.

I want you to give me the reasoning based on this years stats why Tannehill should not be give up on. Keep in mind the Raiders were 3-13 last year, Bortles was considered a bust by some, and Andy can't win the big game and has an inept coach.

 

[Gully State]

LOL...Terrelle Pryor and Parys Haralson are coming in for workouts. Niners FO are grasping at shit now.

 

[Line_HTX]

I guess it's good I missed yesterday's niner's game...I feel genuinely bad for Kap. The front office and coaching staff have broken him. Not to say that Kap isn't to blame for his poor play but with the way the ownership has set this situation up, I have little faith that even if we ever draft the next big franchise passer, the system won't be in place to properly develop him.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2015/10/05/jed-yorks-biggest-mistakes-kaepernick-edition-under-valuing-the-qb-expertise-of-harbaugh-and-roman-over-valuing-dilfer-chryst-and-steve-logan-wth/#more-29179

http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/the-49ers-ruined-colin-kaepernick/

He's broken in half?

 

[LJ11]

hey, if only fans of good teams can talk shit, this thread is going to be very boring.

Also you're right id try my luck with Tannehill.

Hell right now id like to see Savage, but no they decided to put him on IR despite not actually breaking his shoulder.

Hahaha

Man, this sport is awful when you don't have capable players or coaches. So many starving fan bases.

 

[MarauderShields]

Tannehill has been disappointing but he had no chance with that garbage offensive line, play calling, and running game.

 

[Wrayfield]

Hahaha

Man, this sport is awful when you don't have capable players or coaches. So many starving fan bases.

Amen, brother.

 

[Cybit]

So, uh, any good coaches out there? Even for next year?

 

[LJ11]

His OL has been brutal most of his career though. And how many first round quarterbacks have the luxury of playing for the same head coach for 4 seasons, not to mention an offensive minded one like Philbin.

If he hasn't made strides by now, I just don't see what it will be that can help him. Philbin was instrumental in Rodgers' development, Lazor was the Next Big Thing. They failed to take him beyond mediocre...but some college scrub or Jim Schwartz will have the answers?

I don't buy it.

PFF had Tannehill ranked as one of the....

Honestly, you could be right and he's reached his peak, but maybe there's more. Watched the game yesterday and wanted to do some gifs of the last redzone series for the Phins. The Jets DBs are all playing with inside leverage, all the routes break in. That shouldn't be happening, want to go back and watch.

 

[Fantomex]

So, uh, any good coaches out there? Even for next year?

Harbaugh if you give him enough power. Other than that I'm stumped.

 

[Mudcrab]

So, uh, any good coaches out there? Even for next year?

You can have Rob Ryan. I heard he always wanted to be an HC.

 

[chuckddd]

I'll give this to Dan Campbell. He's the only coach I'd take over Ed Hochuli in a lifting competition.

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But if this was a Patriot, Wells and the Goodell goon squad would already be in Foxboro trying to take away draft picks with the enire ESPN crew and Ray Lewis questioning the teams morality and how they cheated by kicking the guy in the head and only made it look like an accident. Tweets from Mort and crew would then follow stating that there were at least 12 other kicks to the head that were extremely more violant and purposeful according to sources.

Christ. Every P*ts fan is the same.

 

[Griss]

If you wanna bring up stats, Tannehill had a 93.5 passer rating with 64.7% completion rating in the first game and a 108.0 passer rating with a 68.2% completion in his second game. And he's passed 1000 yards on the season already after 4 games. And he's already been sacked 10 times in the season. He's an accurate QB.

But you know, dude has 2 bad games and people are have to hit the panic button lol.

I like Tanny and have always backed him but his touch passes are inaccurate and simply aren't getting better. If it's not there to be slung, if it needs a gentle caress over the top like a fade or something, odds are he's going to be cautious and overthrow it.

Wow, somehow I'm in the lead in both Pick'em Leagues.

Does GAF have pick'em leagues? On ESPN? What's the name?

I'd be doing awesome if I hadn't forgotten to enter my winning pick in the MIA - NYJ game.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

I love how everyone keeps ignoring how abysmal the Dolphins are in almost every statistical category that has nothing to do with QB play.

List of QBs achieving success with comparable support to Tannehill:

 

[tmdorsey]

No,no,no,no,no.no. We need him in Atlanta right now.
I'm hoping Miami uses a coordinator as interim the rest of the season.

First off. Welcome brother!


Second. I honestly don't think Shanahan would just jump at any HC job. I have to think he wants to see how far he could with the weapons he has on offense right now.

 

[captive]

Hey the one thing the Texans got right in offseason: From Andre's own mouth, O'Brien said he wouldn't start and he'd get about 40 catches. He's on pace for less than that this year.

Queue Andre Johnson 10 catches for 150 yards and 2 TDs Thursday night.

 

[Himynameischris]

I want you to give me the reasoning based on this years stats why Tannehill should not be give up on. Keep in mind the Raiders were 3-13 last year, Bortles was considered a bust by some, and Andy can't win the big game and has an inept coach.

Absolute garbage oline? He has a free runner on almost every play...no run game what so ever? I mean they don't even attempt to have one? Dropped passes? He has 15 already, defense that gives up points and yards like candy so we always have to play from behind?

 

[eznark]

PFF had Tannehill ranked as one of the....

Honestly, you could be right and he's reached his peak, but maybe there's more. Watched the game yesterday and wanted to do some gifs of the last redzone series for the Phins. The Jets DBs are all playing with inside leverage, all the routes break in. That shouldn't be happening, want to go back and watch.

I think he has talent (I did think he'd break through and take this team to 12-4 after all) but the reality is he is a 27 year old QB who has had the best possible situation a first round QB expected to start asap could ask for and he couldn't get it done.

As a 4th year guy familiar with the offense they are trying to run, he doesn't get a pass for the bad scheming and play calling.

 

[The Albatross]

So after hearing how the Eagles had a historically bad 18 and some change time of possession in the last game, I was interested to see time of possession around the league... And, unsurprisingly, four of the top five teams in time of possession in the league have been Eagle's opponents.

(Eagles are #32 in time of possession, Dolphins are #31. Both running Chip Kelly/Bill Lazor offense. NFC East & AFC East opponents this year will have historic time of possessions as the divisions play each other)

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

best possible situation a first round QB expected to start asap could ask for

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Spinluck]

Luck was top 10 before the season.

 

[Draxal]

Hahaha

Man, this sport is awful when you don't have capable players or coaches. So many starving fan bases.

Think there's only 4 good teams this year, a whole pile of mediocrity and injuries.

 

[Spectral Glider]

#Pray4MiamiGAF

That story is so awesome, real or not.

I still don't know how Joe Stillborn survived the whole bullygate fiasco. He's been running on fumes since.

 

[eznark]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

He took over a 6-10 team that had a positive point differential that brought in an offensive minded proven QB teacher and had that same coach for 4 years.

Outside of Luck, who had the luxury of a team tanking for him, I can't think of a lot better situations the last few years for QB's taken in the top 10.

 

[Griss]

As a Dolphins fan I've watched every snap Tannehill has ever taken. I'm no expert but that has to mean something.

Tannehill's pros:
-Throws over the middle of the field
-Athletic, can run, dodge sacks
-Pocket presence has improved a lot this season
-Accurate in the short game
-Tends not to throw INTs, safe and cautious with the ball (recent all-team meltdown excluded)
-Goes through his reads, typically finds a decent completable pass to throw

Tannehill's cons:
-Throws to the sideline, deeper they are the more likely they end up out of bounds and uncatchable
-Touch passes
-Either not allowed to or incapable of audibling or changing protections
-Tends to be overly cautious, often taking what the defence wants when he shouldn't, like a 5 yard screen on 3rd and 12.
-Tendancy to hold on to the ball too long
-Tendancy to cough up the ball when sacked
-Refusal to use his running ability this season (again, might be coaching)

I genuinely believe that Philbin has taught him to be ultra-cautious in everything he does. If he took more risks and cared less about INTs I believe you'd see his numbers go up. His decision making is cautious, and he overthrows people out of a fear of defenders and turnovers. That needs to be gotten rid of.

The rest of it is exactly what you want from a QB in this short passing league. With any semblance of a running game he can keep the chains moving all day. There's no doubt that right now he's hugely rattled and not playing like he can. Playcalling and OL aren't helping, but nor is he playing well. He was sharp against the Jags. Other three games not so much.

 

[Himynameischris]

I think he has talent (I did think he'd break through and take this team to 12-4 after all) but the reality is he is a 27 year old QB who has had the best possible situation a first round QB expected to start asap could ask for and he couldn't get it done.

As a 4th year guy familiar with the offense they are trying to run, he doesn't get a pass for the bad scheming and play calling.

How exactly? The dolphins are terrible and have been at: Oline, LBs, DBs, RB (run game), WR (until this year...maybe) since he started. Our star players are Jones and Wake (Until this year) and now Landry. You could say Miller might be a star player but we don't even use him.

I love how everyone keeps ignoring how abysmal the Dolphins are in almost every statistical category that has nothing to do with QB play.

List of QBs achieving success with comparable support to Tannehill:

No darkest, we were a powerhouse in need of a QB, we didn't have massive holes in our roster that were never even attempted to patch.

 

[Spinluck]

I want you to give me the reasoning based on this years stats why Tannehill should not be give up on. Keep in mind the Raiders were 3-13 last year, Bortles was considered a bust by some, and Andy can't win the big game and has an inept coach.

Dalton has always had a ridiculous amount of talent around him and good O-lines.

Guys like Luck and presumably Tannehill would probably fair a lot better on those teams.

 

[eznark]

I genuinely believe that Philbin has taught him to be ultra-cautious in everything he does. If he took more risks and cared less about INTs I believe you'd see his numbers go up. His decision making is cautious, and he overthrows people out of a fear of defenders and turnovers. That needs to be gotten rid of.

His interception rate has jumped from 2.0 to 2.9 this season.