LordOfChaos
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Shit I missed something, had to leave the office. What's the megatonne? Why is everyone saying the price is cool now? SO MUCH ABSORBING TO CATCH UP ON
Microsoft hardware event set for October 6th
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Shit I missed something, had to leave the office. What's the megatonne? Why is everyone saying the price is cool now? SO MUCH ABSORBING TO CATCH UP ON
RoyalLaFlame
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It's so expensive for something so... weak?
Will they drop the SP3 prices down? Because the base model here costs 879€ and that's freaking expensive for something with 64GB, 4GB of Ram and an i3 (without the type cover).
Yeah and it sucks.
EDIT: Ok the SP4 base model will cost 1029€ here in Portugal. :/
Phanatic8390
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Yeah what's that about?
Kibbles
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I think that's when we all thought it was $1499 for what he was demoing on stage with the dgpu, which is not the case.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I think everyone hoping for 970M/980M performance are going to be disappointed.
I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect it'll be closer to 950M performance - 960M at best. Did they even say how much GDDR5 RAM it has.
I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect it'll be closer to 950M performance - 960M at best. Did they even say how much GDDR5 RAM it has.
Phanatic8390
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Also take note, i7 models of SP4 ship late November.
And the 1TB version has no date
And the 1TB version has no date
TheLegendary
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No Pre-order available for the Lumia phones yet. Did they say that would start today/tomorrow too?
brotkasten
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Some retailers here had the SP3 i3 on sale for 749 and I kind of regret that I didn't grab one. Even if the i3 was very limited compared to the i5 version.
I'd still wait for reviews and benchmarks, but so far it looks like a SP3 i5 on sale is a better buy than a SP4 m3 for what's probably the same price.
On second thought, I think i'm going to keep my SP3 and just buy the new type cover. The SP4 seems nice, but I would just be getting a slight power boost, and thinner.
Since my SP3 is barely a year old, seems silly for me to upgrade. I have the i5/256gb/8gb version. I am very sad that the back of my SP3 has scratches though
Since my SP3 is barely a year old, seems silly for me to upgrade. I have the i5/256gb/8gb version. I am very sad that the back of my SP3 has scratches though
LordOfChaos
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People saying it looks weird close - it also allows this ergonomic slant when flipped the other way. I'll take that tradeoff.
But ugh, Microsoft, at juts saying "geforce GPU" on the specs. That could mean anything. GDDR5 with half an ROP? WHATS IN THE BOX?!
But ugh, Microsoft, at juts saying "geforce GPU" on the specs. That could mean anything. GDDR5 with half an ROP? WHATS IN THE BOX?!
neonvision
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Does the audio on the book come from the keyboard section or speakers? Curious as to exactly what the tablet only portion is capable of when detached.
Phanatic8390
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I would assume since its basically an SP4 that they're in the tablet part but I could be wrong.
LostMyNarbles
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I thought he said preorder today but the screen behind him said 10/7
brotkasten
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On second thought, I think i'm going to keep my SP3 and just buy the new type cover. The SP4 seems nice, but I would just be getting a slight power boost, and thinner.
Since my SP3 is barely a year old, seems silly for me to upgrade. I have the i5/256gb/8gb version. I am very sad that the back of my SP3 has scratches though
If you have a SP3, I don't see any reason to get the SP4, unless you're affected by loud fan noise and/or other issues.
e: That's, if the new pen works without any downgrades on the SP3.
It's clear that the team focused on the Surface Book. The SP4 is a refresh in the same way the SP2 was over the SP1.
Ok, SB with half-way decent performance is way out of my price range (plus the keyboard is too bulky anyway) so looks like it's going to come down to an SP4 with 8GB of Ram and the 256GB SSD, but I can't decide whether to go with the i5 or i7. The i5 is closer to the price I'm looking to pay but the i7's Iris Pro GPU is very tempting. Hmm, some research may need to be done.
Blah, just realised I was on the Canadian portal. Need to wait for the Aus store to update. Hopefully things aren't too much more expensive than Canada.
Blah, just realised I was on the Canadian portal. Need to wait for the Aus store to update. Hopefully things aren't too much more expensive than Canada.
The fact you can use new pen, dock and keyboard case on SP3 this is pretty good..
My fan does go nuts when i'm using chrome, but I thought that was normal?
RoyalLaFlame
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For someone that uses Visual Studio Enterprise and Virtual Box my minimum would be the i5 model (my current laptop has a first gen i5).
I couldn't imagine buying the i3 model.
LordOfChaos
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I have the Haswell Iris Pro 5200, it's quite capable, and the Skylake one should be even more so. If that's an option, many people may not even miss the dGPU.
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I need to watch this conference.
I'm branching out from my Android only preference and all manufacturers with all OS's are available to me as well
I'm branching out from my Android only preference and all manufacturers with all OS's are available to me as well
Hatty
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Yeah, Chrome is a power hog on any system with any OS
brotkasten
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A regular Surface 3 with 4 GB RAM would probably be enough for me.
But in your case, I'd check your local price comparison portals. I'm seeing here a SP3 i5/128GB for 899 and 1099 with type cover. I hope you can get similar deals.
It might be normal with Chrome, yes.
But others reported issues with loud fans, throttling and wonky Windows 10 upgrades. I was referring more to that.
Anton Sugar
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Do we not have threads for the SP4 and 950/950XL announcements? I can make the 950/XL topic.
BabyFaceKillah
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Please do I was lpoking for one I'm trynna see wassup with the new phones.
Triforce141
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Can't wait for the Surface Pro 5 so the Pro 4 can be affordable.
brotkasten
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Did he even drop the SP4? I was tuning it late.
I was going to get that one but stepped down to the 256gb 8gb version with the i7.
On second thought, I think i'm going to keep my SP3 and just buy the new type cover. The SP4 seems nice, but I would just be getting a slight power boost, and thinner.
Since my SP3 is barely a year old, seems silly for me to upgrade. I have the i5/256gb/8gb version. I am very sad that the back of my SP3 has scratches though
Me too!!
Love my SP3, I was thinking to upgrade to SP4 with 16GB Ram but I think I will keep my SP3. Might get the new type cover and the new pen still.
The SB though is so tempting!!! But the price...maaannn
Chezzymann
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Ill probably get the surface pro 4 a year from now. Assuming my current (third) surface pro 3 doesn't have its battery die again before then. If that happens I might be done with surface products.
Oops, sorry that was Iris, not Iris pro. Should be similar in FLOPS to your Haswell Pro but only half the EDRAM. Depending on how fast the main memory access is, that may not be too much of an issue.
Definitely going to be an expensive October! Absolutely going to buy a Band 2 and a new Surface. But can't quite yet decide between a Surface Pro 4 and a Surface Book.
Having better gaming performance would be great, but I want to see benchmarks and I need to feel how heavy the device is....I'm used to carrying around a Surface Pro 3 and going back to something ~50% heavier would be tough.
If the SP4's gaming performance is significantly better than the SP3, which seems likely given other Skylake benchmarks, that may be enough. I don't necessarily need a mobile gaming powerhouse.
Phones....we'll see
Having better gaming performance would be great, but I want to see benchmarks and I need to feel how heavy the device is....I'm used to carrying around a Surface Pro 3 and going back to something ~50% heavier would be tough.
If the SP4's gaming performance is significantly better than the SP3, which seems likely given other Skylake benchmarks, that may be enough. I don't necessarily need a mobile gaming powerhouse.
Phones....we'll see
My Panos inspired boner went limp after I saw the Canadian prices.
No drop. But he did say "super" a lot.
TheSlySoul
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Whatever program my office uses makes the fan go nuts once I boot IE.
I hate it because I am worried the battery will melt.
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People saying it looks weird close - it also allows this ergonomic slant when flipped the other way. I'll take that tradeoff.
But ugh, Microsoft, at juts saying "geforce GPU" on the specs. That could mean anything. GDDR5 with half an ROP? WHATS IN THE BOX?!
I think it looks gorgeous when folded. Almost like a soft cover book.
Dreams-Visions
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well...how long do you expect to keep it? It's a $100 difference, right? Or is it more?
I'd just break it down by how many months I'd expect to have it and use it. If you keep it for 2 years, we're talking about an extra ~$4/month for 30% more performance. If you expect it to become a novelty collecting dust 6 months from now, don't bother.
The website has the GPU as: NVIDIA GeForce 8G
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/devices/surface-book#techspec-block
brotkasten
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Yep. I'm already seeing people selling their SP3 i5 w/type cover for 750-850 Euro. It's really tempting, but I still want to wait for official prices here and benchmarks.
LordOfChaos
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Ah. I'm very interested to see how the 64MB eDRAM Skylake models perform.
Intel said they way over provisioned with 128MB, so it may not even be much of a difference. They said they found 32MB was enough for their workloads (which, funny enough, is what XBO settled with), then they doubled it to be sure, and doubled it again since they had extra n-1 fab capability.
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