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Ant-Man 2 Announced (Ant Man and the Wasp), Phase 3 dates shift
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Pai Pai Master
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Why would they do this? Hope was already a major part of the first movie and they dedicated one of the oft-hyped post-credits sequences to the character getting her due. She absolutely should get to be a part of the sequel's title because the movie is going to be about rescuing her mom, the original Wasp, from the Microverse.
Ant-Man & Wasp are an iconic duo in Marvel history, there's nothing obscenely opportunistic about the title.
Baby steps, my friend. Baby steps.
I mean, it's not like Batman v Superman mentions Wonder Woman in the title.
The fact she is in the title is big news.
Zeyphersan
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Nah, Infinity War is the same: May 2018 and May 2019
BronsonLee
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UGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH
Um...aren't Star Wars movies set to come out in Nov / Dec? I suspect if you interlace the known Star Wars movies release dates; the schedule makes more sense.
RowdyReverb
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So, what does that make the full timeline look like now? Is there an image anywhere?
She has this roughness and determination to her that I think Superman lacks. Her military background is an influence here, but so is the fact that the character herself has kind of had several identity crisis' within Marvel comics as well, not the least of which because she was an early attempt at a strong female lead despite having a whole bunch of problematic elements over the years. This opens up a lot of opportunities for the MCU to take her character and really give her the solid origin story and identity she deserves and needs. She's kind of scrappy despite her overwhelming strength too. I love her powers. Fist lasers and force fields alongside your Superman fair such as flight, super speed, and strength. There are definitely some Superman parallels, but I find her a lot more interesting. There's also this strange parallel in the way that her character has been mistreated over the years and how female comic fans have been similarly misunderstood. I think that's what the 2012 Rosie the Riveter type character reboot launched out of and I'm a big fan.
Here's IGN's pretty ok video on her: https://youtu.be/qGLzmnmkq5g
Here's Comics Explained's better videos on her:
https://youtu.be/rRRgSkfVhv0
https://youtu.be/oOBHrvp9P2w
Femmeworth
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We will take our scraps and like it, goddamn it.
EdReedFan20
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Starting in 2017, we will be getting 3 MCU movies per year.
But let's be honest, how awesome would it have been to call it "Wasp and Antman" after how much more qualified she was established to be in the last film, haha. Either way I'm excited for her to be in the new film and for Antman to return as well.
I'm surprised to see this announced so soon. I guess that ends the "under expectations" box office talk for Ant-man. Hopefully it does well in China next week.
They could have just called it Ant-Man 2.
They could have just called it Ant-Man 2.
Brianimaniac
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I don't see the issue. It is good news, it's good news for the exact reason they're saying it is. There is middle ground between "this is shit" and "this is the #1 best thing".
George Oscar Bluth II
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Episode 8 is coming out in May 2017, and I think they want all mainline ones to be out in May after 7 releases.
Femmeworth
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I still haven't seen Ant-Man. Didn't want to out of principle.
Pai Pai Master
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You should, its a lot of fun and Hope van Dyne is one of the coolest Marvel movie ladies, second only to the Lady Sif.
I can definitely understand that... It's still a great movie in my opinion, but I really wish that Wasp had gotten her time to shine. It would have made a lot of sense, even in the context of the film.
thecouncil
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They could've just called it 'The Wasp' and had Ant Man there as the secondary main character much like she was in 'Ant Man'.
Thought they were prepping the spin-offs as well? Gods, they want to do Avengers and Star Wars in the same month? Disney marketing must be en route to the main office to strangle everyone, lol.
The one big thing I could see for the Captain Marvel move is that Disney has a live-action fairy tale movie scheduled for its old slot (speculation it is Beauty and the Beast, ie, Emma Watson). Also, they would be then moving Captain Marvel to International Woman's Day per an earlier poster, which is a nice touch.
Part that worries me is that there has been no casting news for Captain Marvel, nor talks of a script. I suspect the movie is having issues on both fronts, alas.
EDIT: I feel bad for Ant-Man and the Wasp - the following month is Toy Story 4.
EDIT: According to Variety - I think we all might be wrong?? Either Marvel got their website wrong or Variety got their info wrong
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/d...se-dates-for-incredibles-2-cars-3-1201613523/
"“Captain Marvel” has been moved forward eight months from Nov. 2, 2018, to March 8, 2018."
so, as a casual comics follower, if you had told me just a year ago that Wasp would get into a movie title and release before Captain Marvel, I would have been
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but after seeing ant man, after not really knowing or caring about the source material, her character was so good that she'll be the best part of Ant Man and Wasp
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but after seeing ant man, after not really knowing or caring about the source material, her character was so good that she'll be the best part of Ant Man and Wasp
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BronsonLee
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...what the
That would only make sense if he's the clear second lead, which there's no way he will be
Well except for the fact Wonder Woman the solo film is actually out before Ant Man and Wasp let alone Captain America. Wonder Woman is out in 2017, that kind of blows up the "baby steps" argument .
excelsiorlef
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Pretty sure Variety is wrong. March 8th 2018 is a Thursday. It's a Friday in 2019
Variety got it wrong on that one, its been pushed. They mixed up the years and thought it was pushed forward.
Very interesting, thank you. I feel I understand a bit better now why Carol Danvers is seen as an important character for the representation of woman.
My problem with the character comes only from the stories that I've read with her in it. I simply found her dull. I do not know who her nemesis is, what her breakout plots are, etc.
Even of the ones Marvel has under control, I always preferred She-Hulk, Black Widow, Wasp, Spider-Woman, (thanks to Agents of Shield) Quake and Mockingbird. Not to mention the newer ones like Kamala Khan, Kate Bishop and Jessica Jones. Let alone all the fantastic X-women: Rogue, Emma Frost, Storm, Jean, Kitty Pride...
I think it's cool but to champion it as some amazing feat is dumb and definitely not something to boast about.
Doing that would only be likely to reduce both films revenues and reinforce the notion that female led superhero movies are less marketable, profitable, or worthwhile. The less competition between those movies the better the chances of more like them.
badcrumble
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The fact that movies can so easily get shuffled around Infinity War Part 1 basically confirms that none of that film will take place on Earth, lol.
Principle of what? Wright?
Marvel doesn't actually own the license to any female character that is a quarter as well known as Wonder Woman. They have had to build up most of their characters in the movies. DC has always had about half of the top 10 most well known heroes (prior to the superhero explosion) and it has taken them until 2017 to attempt anything other than Batman, Super Man and Green Lantern (which they promptly ruined).
I think besides Iron Man your guess is spot on.
thecouncil
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I know. That's what I was saying. And I know he won't be but there's no reason he can't be. I'm guessing the movie isn't written yet.
They have someone cast and already filming for WW; so they can work that one faster, unfortunately. Also, Wonder Woman is far, far bigger of a character than any female solo Marvel character (that Marvel has the rights to).
Ahh ok.
I'd rather hold off on Captain Marvel being done right rather than rush it. It's going to be under a lot of pressure from fans (I worry Black Panther might have the same issue). The lack of casting or script at this point makes me wonder whether they're having trouble finding someone (or whether the new GoT announcements had them kick the movie back a year because they know who they want).
Also, could just be Disney didn't want Captain Marvel competing against a Emma Watson led Beauty and the Beast potentially.
The movie is probably written already - which is why they announced it. Remember that Marvel basically has tons of scripts in development at all times internally, and they probably found a script they liked.
EDIT: The more I think about it, the more I think that Marvel has a new plan for Captain Marvel
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/23/captain-marvel-comics-agent-carter-writers-take-over
That is a hell of a coincidence. Have the Agent Carter showrunners take over the comic for a year - then push the movie back? Makes me think Marvel is interested in having the Agent Carter folks do Captain Marvel - they can write the comic series, work with the already badass team tabbed to write the script (Perlman and LeFauve) and base it off a story from the new comic series, and then run the movie.
Hell, you could use Hayley Atwell for Carol.
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Which bendis run was she interesting, becauae she was an asshole in mighty
Sure, we get a Wonder Woman film... after seven Superman films, TEN Batman films, two Swamp Thing movies, a Jonah Hex movie, Green Lantern, a Steel movie, and even a horrid Catwoman spin-off. It might be unfair to put her on a different standard, but Wonder Woman is supposedly THE greatest female superheroine of all time... So The Wasp getting billing in her second appearance so quickly while Wonder Woman has never once had her own film is shocking. Wonder Woman is not The Wasp or Scarlet Witch or Jessica Jones or Black Widow or Rescue or Peggy Carter or Gamora... and yet it was easier to put a raccoon with a machine gun from space in a film than it was Princess Diana.
So, yeah, people liked Hope enough that she's getting billing in the second Ant-Man movie. If the worse criticism is "well, her name is mentioned SECOND" then I think that's good progress indeed.
We still need a Captain Marvel movie sooner rather than later though. Along with She-Hulk.
I'd say they built up Black Widow enough that she could have easily sustained her own solo film in Phase 3.
I was hoping for a Widow/Hawkeye buddy picture.
Not to mention the fact that Wonder Woman would likely wipe the floor with a Captain Marvel movie due to each character's recognition if nothing else.
I think that movie could easily been a success. I would argue a Black Widow solo movie likely would have out-grossed Ant-Man 1 I think honestly.
A Black Widow movie as spy film in the vein of a MCU version of a James Bond flick with Black Widow in the Bond role would have done fantastic. The movie all but writes itself.
Wonder Woman is "the big one" for female heroines... but fans voted in favor of Storm over Wonder Woman in the 90s during the Marvel vs DC crossover (X-men women are HUGE, but Fox has their grip on them rather strongly).
I would say nearly half of Marvel's best female characters are from the X-men universe (Storm, Phoenix, Rogue, Mystique, Kitty Pride, Psylocke, etc.), but Marvel has been doing a LOT lately to work with their other women.
NONE are as popular as Wonder Woman... but popularity doesn't equal quality.
Marvel women rock. Bring me more Jessica Jones, She-Hulk, Spider-Gwen, Medusa, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Wasp, Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, Misty Knight, Gamora, and Squirrel Girl.
I'm dead serious. I want Squirrel Girl in the MCU pronto.
In a world where Captain America grosses more than Superman, anything is possible.
In a universe where Wonder Woman and Black Widow both release in Summer 2017 I would say Black Widow would end up being the one to gross more. WW beats Captain Marvel obviously as it stands now, but Widow has been built up over the past nearly 10 years. She is popular enough to pull it off.
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