Is this guy who played Smash for a year the most dominant eSports player in history?

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Hazaro said:
It's just tournament winnings, salaries aren't taken into account. Not Faker's fault Rito doesn't dump their billion/yr into prizepool.
One of the Chinese supports in Dota supposedly had a $500,000 transfer fee. And rightfully so. Brood War salaries and sponsorships are pretty guarded, but you can be sure any of the top S players had $200,000+/yr in deals at least.
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Rito dumps their billions into salaries actually.

Every pro player of a League that Rito sponsors gets a very decent minimum salary.
 
Tripon said:
Nah, Ken during his era was dominant. You can argue the tournaments were smaller, but that doesn't mean the quality of the matches were affected by it. And he was winning in the era of MLG prize pools and pot bonuses. In 2006 and 2007. Also, Ken got 6th in his season of Survivor. Let's see ZeRo do that.
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He was also less consistent than ZeRo and that is basically what OP is referring to in terms of dominance. He won a lot of tournaments, but he also lost quite a few to other top players.

No Smash player has had the level of consistency that ZeRo has had. I don't think he'll make it much further without dropping a tournament, and I don't even like Smash4 much, but his run so far is definitely worthy of being considered the most dominant.

If you want to talk Melee, Armada is probably a better example than Ken. There are only a few players in the world capable of taking sets off of him unless he's drunk or playing with a broken controller. And even against those players Armada is generally going to be favored to win, Leffen being the closest to a 50/50 against him.
 
For a single game over a designated time maybe, but on a larger scale no.

It's perhaps the most dominant run in a single game... but how many smaller tournaments of Marvel 2 did Justin win from 2001-2004ish? I didn't follow the FGC back then but surely he played in others and I wonder how many he won and lost?
 
chaosblade said:
He was also less consistent than ZeRo and that is basically what OP is referring to in terms of dominance. He won a lot of tournaments, but he also lost quite a few to other top players.

No Smash player has had the level of consistency that ZeRo has had. I don't think he'll make it much further without dropping a tournament, and I don't even like Smash4 much, but his run so far is definitely worthy of being considered the most dominant.

If you want to talk Melee, Armada is probably a better example than Ken. There are only a few players in the world capable of taking sets off of him unless he's drunk or playing with a broken controller. And even against those players Armada is generally going to be favored to win, Leffen being the closest to a 50/50 against him.
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I think dominance isn't something necessarily measured just in consistency. It's about perception and like, mythology, and regardless of the reality of it, Ken was dominant, and dominant in a very formative period of the scene. He won tournaments and lost tournaments, but it took a long time for his image to shake him. Dude was huge.
 
Zero has been playing in matches that could have gone either way. When I think of dominance it is more like Kuroda being able to use random select and still bring other top players to their knees by toying with them even. Justin was the same way. One character no BS comeback mechanics with Cyclops against characters two to three tiers higher is a thing of beauty.
 
Moonlight said:
I think dominance isn't something necessarily measured just in consistency. It's about perception and like, mythology, and regardless of the reality of it, Ken was dominant, and dominant in a very formative period of the scene. He won tournaments and lost tournaments, but it took a long time for his image to shake him. Dude was huge.
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I don't feel like that's a fair comparison, that's basically looking at it from a legacy and almost nostalgic point of view while comparing to a contemporary player who doesn't have any of that. The sort of mythical dominance you're referring to can never really happen again because that era of Smash can never happen again.
 
Shining Sunshine said:
Rito dumps their billions into salaries actually.

Every pro player of a League that Rito sponsors gets a very decent minimum salary.
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Does anyone know what the salary actually is though? It seems pretty low to me.
Moonlight said:
I think dominance isn't something necessarily measured just in consistency. It's about perception and like, mythology, and regardless of the reality of it, Ken was dominant, and dominant in a very formative period of the scene. He won tournaments and lost tournaments, but it took a long time for his image to shake him. Dude was huge.
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jabuseika said:


4 Year domination of the hardest competitive game ever made.
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Part of what made it so crazy is people were already getting really really good at BroodWar (Since no balance patches, only new community created maps) when Flash was coming in (Jaedong, Bisu, the old guard). To come in after many years of super hard crunch Korean eSports crazyness and then come out so dominant was incredible. Also based off that Fantasy and Jangbi.
 
OP thinks that winning 55 tournaments in a row is very impressive and wonders if there is anyone who has been even more dominant in a game, so people shit on him for being uneducated. Way to go, guys.
 
My original sentiment was "what the fuck is this thread?" until...

MrWizard said:
Is this thread a joke?
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Lol... amazing thread. Also, it became pretty informative in the later pages since I don't know shit about competitive gaming outside of fighters.

Edit: save for Ogre 1 and 2 in Halo:CE. They showed up to a tourney I ran and... yeah.
 
Hazaro said:
Does anyone know what the salary actually is though? It seems pretty low to me.
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It is like $12,500 per player per split (3 months), and teams will pay additional salary on top of that.

There are 32 NA and EU teams with at least 5 players each and a couple coaches. They also organize the Brazil, Turkish, Oceanic leagues (probably a few more I don't know about). So they pay out a lot... not billions tho, but several millions a year?
 
bahahahahahaha
no

He looks like a fucking tool too, when does he plan on dropping this goddamn scarf, get actual glasses and an actual haircut too ? geez
 
Op refrain from making e sports threads in the future . You've made no comparisons no objective analysis across various sports etc etc . Plus smash really ? Doesn't have either the popularity or money aspect of e sports
 
RTZ is the most dominant esports player in history, because he is the source of all twitch memes.

He may never win an International, but he has already won the minds and hearts of Twitch's stream monsters.

M A Y M A Y B O Y S
 
Ishan said:
Op refrain from making e sports threads in the future . You've made no comparisons no objective analysis across various sports etc etc . Plus smash really ? Doesn't have either the popularity or money aspect of e sports
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Dog, have you seen how many views/entrants the big smash tournaments get?
 
OP should have defined 'dominance', a lot of people are saying that Zero isn't dominant because the Smash 4 scene is small, underdeveloped, and lacking in strong competition (and I agree with the last two statements). But I don't think thats a factor in dominating something; I'm dominant rock paper scissors vs my dog. You might not think thats impressive but it doesn't make me any less dominant.
 
Mr. Macintosh!! said:
OP thinks that winning 55 tournaments in a row is very impressive and wonders if there is anyone who has been even more dominant in a game, so people shit on him for being uneducated. Way to go, guys.
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Rubbish . Ppl are shitting on him because op didn't provide much context no comparisons to other esports and put a topic out as best esports player ever because guess what He does know not much about esports .thats why ppl are shitting on him and his hyperbolic claims
 
I watch competitive smash pretty casually, and I've never even heard of this guy.. I thought mango was current reigning champ? Either way, competitive smash is a joke compared to SF, MVC, SC:BW, CS1.6, and the list goes on..
 
Aerobatics said:
Dog, have you seen how many views/entrants the big smash tournaments get?
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Are we they over Dota's prize pool or overall cs's consistent popularity ? And even if not the point is op isn't even attempting to compare to other fighting games let alone other esport genres he just makes a blanket statement on smash success ... Which is just ridiculous . I can throw out 87-0 which many esport followers will recognize and know how significant it is . But I wouldn't assume to call it greatest ever across esports etc. Op is hyperbolic he got called out for it . Period
 
Ishan said:
Rubbish . Ppl are shitting on him because op didn't provide much context no comparisons to other esports and put a topic out as best esports player ever because guess what He does know not much about esports .thats why ppl are shitting on him and his hyperbolic claims
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So shitting on someone who knows not much about something instead of correcting him is ok?

Noted.
 
Rainbowgun said:
So shitting on someone who knows not much about something instead of correcting him is ok?

Noted.
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Err I'm gonna now claim I'm the master of the universe cause I can do 2+2 = 4 . Now instead of telling me I'm an idiot please feel sorry for me and correct me . Gaf is representative of the hardcore gaming community but it is no where near representative of a hardcore esports community . So just as gaf is allowed to judge on gaming issues and so get used to it if the esports enthusiasts are harsh on unknowing gaffers . I see no particular difference between the two viewpoints .
 
Ishan said:
Rubbish . Ppl are shitting on him because op didn't provide much context no comparisons to other esports and put a topic out as best esports player ever because guess what He does know not much about esports .thats why ppl are shitting on him and his hyperbolic claims
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Thread Title: "Is Zero the most dominant eSports player in history?"

In OP: "Is there anyone else in eSports that comes close to his dominance?"

He's not being ignorant at all, he's wondering if there are people who have been more dominant in esports then Zero. Nothing hyperbolic here.
 
Mr. Macintosh!! said:
Thread Title: "Is Zero the most dominant eSports player in history?"

In OP: "Is there anyone else in eSports that comes close to his dominance?"

He's not being ignorant at all, he's wondering if there are people who have been more dominant in esports then Zero. Nothing hyperbolic here.
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Let's try this again . I post sumail is the most dominant player in esports ever .
I ignore nips reign I ignore fatalitiy's run . I ignore everything to do with sc. Ignore dota1 scene wc3 scene FIFA scene and god know how much more . It's like saying wow look at this guy who won curling championships 11 times in a row isn't he the best sportsperson ever ? Smash isn't in the upper echelons of esports and even ignoring that a comparison has to be made to other esports etc etc . Just because someone is the best ever at one thing which isn't even a top competitive esport doesn't mean you can ask the question . That's why me and many others have reacted negatively .
 
this thread makes me miss bw

sure, the competition was absolutely brutal and i bet a few kids had their lives ruined cause they couldn't make it to the top even after spending so many crucial years practicing the game

but there was nothing like it and dont think there ever will be

wish afreeca didn't lag so much for me
 
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