PCs are better than consoles argument tree

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Some of the arguments seem muddled. Is it the discussion for just a pc vs owning all the consoles, or a pc vs just owning one console. It seems like pro console people cherry pick for their arguments, like they'll say pc is more expensive on one hand, but then name of all the console exclusives like they own all the systems, which makes the pc more expensive argument invalid.

Eitherway if I were to only own one gaming platform it would be a midrange or higher PC. 60+ FPS, larger game library (with more and more "exclusives" coming to PC anyways), MMO's & Mobas, cheap games, and free online gaming.
 
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Shuggananas said:
"I swear I only pirate games to try them then I buy them if I like them" is so pathetic lol
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There's a certain benefit to pirating before purchasing to make sure the game runs correctly considering a lot of games' specs are wishful thinking on the developer/publisher's part. Then just throw the files into steam after purchasing it and letting it fix the cracked files. Does also save Steam a bit of bandwidth even if it just a drop in the ocean. I know there are steam refunds now but piracy still feels like a simpler solution to testing a game, especially when post-2 hours can get iffy. And to pre-empt "why more than 2 hours would be needed": tutorial zones with far more enclosed areas that makes performance appear better.
 
Manu said:
Console gamers are not the common enemy. Modern consoles are.

I feel it's important to include this information in the article as soon as possible, since a lot of people get the wrong impression going in and don't take information to heart until they realize they're being educated rather than scolded... I should also point out that it's well-known that past consoles outperformed PCs, but that was the past. This is now. Things are different. The openness of the PC was bound to be taken advantage of eventually, and what triggered it is the stagnation of the console market. And, now that the console market has stagnated and the PC is a viable alternative, it's very possible that traditional consoles with total control under a single corporation is entirely going to vanish.

Sony and Microsoft give you an inferior system, charge you a lot of extra money for it, and make you hold on to the pieces of junk for 8 years before they give you the option of (measly) upgrades. By selling you these systems, they lock you into their overpriced ecosystem, helping them further the cycle with their ill-acquired money. They don't let you play with friends unless you pay. They don't let you play with friends that bought the other systems at all. They don't let developers directly sell you the game - they charge for dev kits and include royalties, which massively decreases their profits over that of the PC version. When you take into account the business strategy of these companies, you'll find that it's all just one big greedy systematic ripoff of uneducated consumers. They're holding your favorite games hostage on their closed platforms because they know you'll buy into it. If everyone went with a PC and disregarded this disgusting behavior, these developers wouldn't be so easily convinced to support these "next-gen" consoles. So, do yourself and the industry a favor and go with a PC. PC exists because it's an excellent platform and for no other reason than that. Nobody's advertising it. Nobody's cutting deals with Frito Lay to get it stamped on Dorito bags. Nobody's running a 'PC booth' at gaming festivals. PC exists and thrives simply because it is freaking glorious. XBox and PlayStation consoles exist because their parent corporations hijack developers (and games) that people love and cancel ports to competing platforms (other consoles as well as PC), and force fans of these games to pay a 'hardware ransom' to play it. The PC is open, cheap, customizable, and powerful. Your best interests are always at hand, no matter how arrogant some PC gamers may seem when they speak negatively of the "anti-gamer" consoles. For anyone that's offended, I am truly sorry... but if you're going to get offended over this guide then you probably had no intention of giving PC a chance in the first place. Just remember: PC gaming is superior to console gaming, but the gamers themselves are neither superior or inferior to one another: they're just people with varying degrees of understanding. Fight the misinformation, fight the false advertising, and fight the anti-gaming console monopoly. Long live freedom, long live affordable and beautiful gaming, and long live the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race!

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Steve Youngblood said:
I can't begin to convey how much I hate console vs. PC arguments, as they are just an extension of the console wars I already hate. And it's mainly just because I feel like a lot of the shots are misrepresentations of what's going on. You walk in and see people anti-PC acting like every gaming rig needs to be a high end, $2000 rig where you are still doomed to bug-ridden software that doesn't work on your config. And on the flipside, you often have people on the pro PC side overplaying the ease with which one can build a budget PC that will supposedly slay consoles.

The reality to me is if you want something inexpensive and convenient, consoles have an easy to understand appeal. But if you want something not locked down and robust? Do you want more content to choose from? That's the appeal of PCs. I think the only time I find myself thinking that console proponents are "doing it wrong" is if/when I see people obsessing over the latest tech showdown thread who also aren't at least considering the PC as an option for multiplatform titles. If the tradeoffs between 900p vs 1080p or 30 fps vs 60 fps are hugely important to you, I really think the PC is something that needs to be on your radar. Firstly, game settings that don't exist on consoles mean you can choose what is and isn't important to you (i.e. change the game to low settings if you want a higher framerate or high if you can deal with a shaky framerate). Second -- and I know a lot of console players might deem this a negative but I honestly think it's a positive -- I think it's great to know that there is an option to throw money at your rig to get better performance if you want it.

I mean, I know that different targets muddies the waters and goes against the console philosophy of only having one set of specifications to optimize for. However, if I told you that a $100 - $200 hardware upgrade to your PS4 would get you Uncharted 4 at 60 fps instead of 30 fps, would you not be interested? Because those kinds of options exist on PC.
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Great post, hoping people will actually read it and maybe think before they post something bashing people about how they play video games.
As of now this thread is just the usual PC vs. consoles shitshow.
 
I'm a life long PC gamer. I didn't own or extensively play on a console until a PS2 in 2006 (and even then, it was actually my brother's.) and haven't owned a console since. But I find that whole "master race" thing to be embarrassing as fuck. PC gaming was never before that a part of the console-wars (I guess now platform wars?) bullshit, so I have no idea why some assholes are insisting on dragging it down there. I understand why you'd want to advertise why you think your platform is great, especially after years of being told "PC gaming is dead", but this whole thing is getting silly.
 
It's really simple if PC had the exclusives I like I'd buy one in a heartbeat. It doesn't so I won't It's not worth it for me just for multiplats.
 
Purest 78 said:
It's really simple if PC had the exclusives I like I'd buy one in a heartbeat. It doesn't so I won't It's not worth it for me just for multiplats.
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I'll take your word for it, but you should expect responses from an awful lot of people that assume you simply do not know what's available on PC.
 
dude said:
I'm a life long PC gamer. I didn't own or extensively play on a console until a PS2 in 2006 (and even then, it was actually my brother's.) and haven't owned a console since. But I find that whole "master race" thing to be embarrassing as fuck. PC gaming was never before that a part of the console-wars (I guess now platform wars?) bullshit, so I have no idea why some assholes are insisting on dragging it down there.
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Oh come on now. Consoles vs PC has been a thing since time immemorial :)
Most people grow out of it, eventually..to be replaced by new ones.
 
pastrami said:
I don't think that's entirely fair. It reads to me that you are saying that console gamers shouldn't argue about minor differences between the consoles because if they care that much, they would spend a little more and get a nicer PC.

But that's like saying I can't argue that a Mazda 3 is more fun to drive than a Chevy Cruze because if I care that much about horsepower and handling, I should have spent a little more and gotten a Subaru WRX.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with people making informed decisions and trying to get the most bang for one's buck. What I am saying, though, is that it's worth measuring just how important this stuff is to you. And if you're just someone going "ok, PS4 has a better resolution than the Xbox One on this game, I'll get the former," that's fine and dandy. But if you're someone who seems to be obsessing over minor performance discrepancies because this stuff seems deathly important to your enjoyment of games, then it might behoove you to be aware of what can be accomplished on PC. Sometimes for less money than you might think.
 
ghostjoke said:
There's a certain benefit to pirating before purchasing to make sure the game runs correctly considering a lot of games' specs are wishful thinking on the developer/publisher's part. Then just throw the files into steam after purchasing it and letting it fix the cracked files. Does also save Steam a bit of bandwidth even if it just a drop in the ocean. I know there are steam refunds now but piracy still feels like a simpler solution to testing a game, especially when post-2 hours can get iffy. And to pre-empt "why more than 2 hours would be needed": tutorial zones with far more enclosed areas that makes performance appear better.
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You have steam refunds now, and you can wait for reviews to get an idea of how a game runs
 
Tain said:
I'll take your word for it, but you should expect responses from an awful lot of people that assume you simply do not know what's available on PC.
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hey now, PC is starting to get ports of old Japanese video games. Give it time. Its not all boring WRPGs and strategy games.
 
pastrami said:
I don't think that's entirely fair. It reads to me that you are saying that console gamers shouldn't argue about minor differences between the consoles because if they care that much, they would spend a little more and get a nicer PC.

But that's like saying I can't argue that a Mazda 3 is more fun to drive than a Chevy Cruze because if I care that much about horsepower and handling, I should have spent a little more and gotten a Subaru WRX.
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I don't think the car analogy works here. The games are generally identical (not different cars), except they generally run better on PC. The Durante grassgate photo sums up why he's correct. For those that care about technical performance that much, and can afford it, they should really be gaming on the open adjustable platform
 
Denton said:
Oh come on now. Consoles vs PC has been a thing since time immemorial :)
Most people grow out of it, eventually..to be replaced by new ones.
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Really? Well, never reached my parts until the whole PC gaming master race bullshit started going down...
I've always seen console wars stuff around the web, but I only started seeing the PC being thrown in there alongside them in the past two-three years or so.
 
Purest 78 said:
It's really simple if PC had the exclusives I like I'd buy one in a heartbeat. It doesn't so I won't It's not worth it for me just for multiplats.
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Exclusives are the main reason I stick with consoles and between owning at least two systems, pus all of the multiplats, my bases have been covered. Of course, I am obviously still missing out on better performance, better prices, Steam refunds, mods, no subscriptions for online and certain games that are only on PC. But I feel like you are selling yourself short if you just go one way or the other. Which is why I need to finally give in and get a nice PC gaming set up as well.
 
pastrami said:
I don't think that's entirely fair. It reads to me that you are saying that console gamers shouldn't argue about minor differences between the consoles because if they care that much, they would spend a little more and get a nicer PC.

But that's like saying I can't argue that a Mazda 3 is more fun to drive than a Chevy Cruze because if I care that much about horsepower and handling, I should have spent a little more and gotten a Subaru WRX.
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Its funny i had a 320rwkw (700nm) VE commodore ute but now have a 90kw/200nm tsi golf & i gotta say the golf is so much more fun to drive than my big arse powerful ute lol 😊
 
Ashura_MX said:
Stop being shit tier and get both (PC + console / all consoles you fancy) problem solved.
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Why don't poor people just not buy more money?

J/k


I agree though. I love having an PS4/XB1/Wii U/PC as I can just pick up and play a game I'm interested in and not have to worry if it's coming to a platform I own. And all of my hardware purchases whether it was PC and bought over an extended period of time piecemeal or my consoles, I had to save and save for them. Worth it to have the choice. I still buy 90% of all multiplatform games on PC though unless there's a specific multiplayer component I may want to play with my buddies.
 
Tain said:
I'll take your word for it, but you should expect responses from an awful lot of people that assume you simply do not know what's available on PC.
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It may not even be not knowing, a lot of the stuff you have to try to understand the appeal. It's hard to sell an rts or moba to a console player because there's nothing like it on consoles to compare to. Though that may never happen because using a kbm is outside of a lot of people's comfort zones.
 
This is so stupid. They both do some things better. PCs have better performance, scalability, and customization. Consoles have more focused titles, games tailored to specific controllers, and better exclusives. (Some of this is subjective)
 
Lest there was any doubt, using white supremacist language to describe your gaming platform of choice is unjustifiable.
 
Is this like, a legit thing or is this a micky take? :( you know the Internet has gone too far when I seriously cannot tell :P
Seriously, who over the age of 14 cares?
 
Steve Youngblood said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with people making informed decisions and trying to get the most bang for one's buck. What I am saying, though, is that it's worth measuring just how important this stuff is to you. And if you're just someone going "ok, PS4 has a better resolution than the Xbox One on this game, I'll get the former," that's fine and dandy. But if you're someone who seems to be obsessing over minor performance discrepancies because this stuff seems deathly important to your enjoyment of games, then it might behoove you to be aware of what can be accomplished on PC. Sometimes for less money than you might think.
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Fair enough. There are people who nitpick to the point where you question whether they care about those nitpicks, or care more about getting their console the "win."

StevieP said:
I don't think the car analogy works here. The games are generally identical (not different cars), except they generally run better on PC. The Durante grassgate photo sums up why he's correct. For those that care about technical performance that much, and can afford it, they should really be gaming on the open adjustable platform
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The games in the analogy is the driving. All three cars will get you from point A to point B. The cars are the different platforms. Better car generally means better performance.
 
dude said:
Really? Well, never reached my parts until the whole PC gaming master race bullshit started going down...
I've always seen console wars stuff around the web, but I only started seeing the PC being thrown in there alongside them in the past two-three years or so.
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PC Master Race meme started after Yahtzee's review of Witcher 1 in 2007 or so, but there have been arguments between console gamers and PC gamers for much longer..ever since PC started becoming a serious gaming platform in the nineties, with Doom just annihilating what was available elsewhere. I mean I remembere fights between Amigists and PCgamers and PSX gamers and PC gamers etc.
 
Gipsy Danger said:
Yes but those things that you miss exist in Steam so I don't really understand how you could be missing them. They are turned on by default when you install Steam.



It's not like MGSV sold 700,000 copies. Or GTAV sold 3 million on Steam alone. Or Witcher 3 sold over a million across both GOG and Steam. Nah, hardcore crowd are a minority and most people they know play on consoles. Most of my friends play on PC. Guess what, most of your friends play on consoles because those are the people you associate with. Just like a lot of PC gamers have mostly friends on PC because that's who they associate with.
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-> GTA V 50 milion on Consoles says hi, Cod ~25 milion each year on Consoles says hi i wont even discuss this because its not even worth it. Fifa ~15 milion per year? Lets see how Fallout 4 will do on Consoles, how SW will sell better on Consoles and all the rest. Why? Because most people cant play those games on their Pcs.

Those milion sellers are still a minority compared to the whole market that buys GTA, FIFA, Call of Duty and plays League, Dota and Counter Strike and that is how the World is right now.

Pc High End gaming? Probably 10% of the whole PC market. That is pretty low.

EDIT: Most of my friends also play on Pc, Low ends Pc that is and also Witcher 3 sold 70% on Consoles and MGS V probably way above that 70%.
 
viHuGi said:
LOL GTA V 50 milion on Consoles says hi, Cod 25 milion each year on Consoles says hi i wont even discuss this because its not even worth it. Fifa 15 milion per year?
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Aaaaand this is the worst example of console fanboy post one could wish for.
 
viHuGi said:
LOL GTA V 50 milion on Consoles says hi, Cod 25 milion each year on Consoles says hi i wont even discuss this because its not even worth it. Fifa 15 milion per year?
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Could you link me to your sources for these numbers? Also measuring 4 SKUs of GTAV, CoD and FIFA against PCs 1 SKU is somewhat unfair. Hi, btw.

DrROBschiz said:
The takeaway being.. Consoles are consumer friendly?

There are a lot of market parallels that easily explain the divide of consoles and PC
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What makes them consumer friendly? You have to pay for online services, that's extremely not consumer friendly. They are consumer accessible if that's what you mean.
 
Denton said:
PC Master Race meme started after Yahtzee's review of Witcher 1 in 2007 or so, but there have been arguments between console gamers and PC gamers for much longer..ever since PC started becoming a serious gaming platform in the nineties, with Doom just annihilating what was available elsewhere. I mean I remembere fights between Amigists and PCgamers and PSX gamers and PC gamers etc.
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I believe you, I'm just saying I didn't see it before the last couple of years. This debate probably didn't take as central a stage during the long years people were decrying PC gaming as dead everywhere so it slipped by me...
 
Handheld master race representing. Can you play your games at work? While commuting? Lol, you can't. Have fun in your basement, console and PC peasants. No but really I play on everything. PC, handhelds, consoles, mobile. 3DS and PC are currently my favorite platforms.
 
Gipsy Danger said:
Could you link me to your sources for these numbers? Also measuring 4 SKUs of GTAV, CoD and FIFA against PCs 1 SKU is somewhat unfair. Hi, btw.



What makes them consumer friendly? You have to pay for online services, that's extremely not consumer friendly. They are consumer accessible if that's what you mean.
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Consumer friendly from a marketing standpoint. One device, easily found at retail. Games in boxes. Easy to gift. Easy to use (debateable)

I dont get why people argue against themselves. Just observe the market.

PC gaming is much larger, international, and enthusiast focused. But the Market is large and diverse enough for Consoles to be accepted and flourish
 
Oh, Call of Duty is best on Nintendo platforms, because I don't just get killed instantly because the typical ability of players you can encounter is a bit lower. Also people are much friendlier online than I've experienced playing it on Xbox, Playstation or PC.
 
For me, PC advantages are graphical power and the ability to mod.
Console advantages are ease of use and larger mp player base (important in a small country like Australia).
 
I can't believe someone is actually using a console controller excuse as though all of the options they bring are console specific. The majority of multiplat games that end up on PC offer controller support anymore.

I don't really have anything to add, other than to reiterate that consoles are for exclusives (*unless it's a game that requires a larger player base for multiplayer or something), or if you simply cannot afford to build a new system every five or so (now) years, while maybe replacing the graphics card within three. I don't really see the "but you can get games so much cheaper on PC" argument as a worthwhile one at all, even though it's tossed around a lot. You'd have to buy a TON of games annually before the entry cost of a good gaming PC pays for itself.

Edit: Super Mario Galaxy can be played on PC at much higher resolutions, and with relatively no bugs (if you get lucky) as can a large portion of the Wii library, and with a Wiimote. Another moot point?
 
I don't see the problem,

Everyone agrees PC is better money-wise.

Everyone agrees PC are more powerful.

Everyone agrees the same type of controllers work on PC, even official MS ones work on PC.

Consoles are more portable and comfy couch.

etc.

It's just the "down to taste arguments" (which could be debatable still):

I don't like boring lame ass WRPG's / RTS etc. Prefer comfy couch over keyboard/mouse. Exclusives - even though they're target 30fps etc.
 
viHuGi said:
Pc hardcore crowd are a minority so they need to justify their business since most people they know play on Consoles. Here from all of my friends one plays on a high end pc, all the rest is Console, i feel bad for him, console guys are really hard on him so i can understand why Pc gamers came with this "Master Race" and Pcs thing.
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Eh, my country is rather PC-centric. Almost all of my friends are PC gamers. In a local major gaming site here, the console section sees like a tenth of the traffic the PC section gets.
 
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