NoblesseOblige
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"PC gamers are insecure, because they have to write a paragraph to justify it. Here, let me write a paragraph to explain that."
PCs are better than consoles argument tree
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"PC gamers are insecure, because they have to write a paragraph to justify it. Here, let me write a paragraph to explain that."
PC elitism is just another brand of console wars, so I wouldn't say PC elitists are particularly insecure compared to console warriors. The truth is, some people care far too much about what toys other people use.
Solid Samus
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PC GAF threads in a nutshell
Chezzymann
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I'm not very tech savvy (despite spending so much time on computers), so all the little problems that comes with computers are a huge headache for me. Sometimes my game doesn't load/crashes and I have to go on a two hour quest to why its not working and how to fix it, sometimes I need an obscure driver to get something to work, general troubleshooting, and then theres worrying about viruses and malware, maintaining the hardware itself (my 5 year old PC's hard drive just died), lots of the minor stuff most PC users can easily fix are usually a big headache for me. I'd rather just plug in a console to my TV and play without thinking about anything or having to manage anything. My 8 year old 360 still works perfectly and I haven't had to think about any technical aspects of it ever. My 14 year old gamecube still plays like its new. I've probably spent countless hours fixing stuff on my computer.
Dreams-Visions
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Actually, you should think about consoles OR PC. All platforms have games that can't be obtained or played anywhere else. Though emulators somewhat mitigate that on PC.
These are good, but I would argue that the bolded go for PC as well.
PC currently has:
More exclusives than all 3 current consoles out combined
More local multiplayer games (Fucking crazy right?)
LOL. Such comforts are another reason why I always loved my consoles. But these days more and more people are just hooking their rigs up to the TV set. Especially with setups like the X51, Alpha and soon the Steam Machines. That is the route I would like to go in order to compliment my consoles.
I think the first time I realized this wasn't even a gaming thing was when I witnessed phone wars. People get pissy about what phones other people use. They'll use absurd arguments to downplay Android, iPhone or whatever, exaggerating minor inconveniences to the extremes and glorifying tiny, inconsequential features.
You're just a little lazy, that's all
I have ran cables between rooms many times to hook up the PC to the living room TV, it's very easy to run a cable up and down a wall. Wireless controller and it's over.I haven't performed PC hardware maintenance in almost 7 years other than an optional GPU upgrade and the case is very small. Simple OS = Steam big picture mode. The only legitimate reason you give is that Steam friends isn't as integrated across the platform as the console friends list.
I think these things never focus enough on how much better gaming on open platforms (such as PC) is for the medium as a whole.
Sure, the advantages for individual gamers are great, but that's what really drives it home for me.
Sure, the advantages for individual gamers are great, but that's what really drives it home for me.
Solid Samus
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I seriously think that PC is a better place to game than anywhere else but I probably take video gaming more seriously than most console owners so there's a bunch of shit going on in the PC space that's relevant to me that's not relevant to everyone.
I do enjoy being able to pick and choose exactly how I control each specific game, from the wide range of hardware available, some purpose built to suit specific genres, to software that lets me customize my mouse and keyboard layouts on a per-game basis.
I like the idea that I'm not going to have to worry about backwards compatibility 5 years from now, and that I don't have to worry about backwards compatibility (or remasters lol) right now.
I like the suite of hardware and software I've accumulated for myself that lets me record and stream high quality footage at 1080p 60fps with ease.
I like being able to mod and tweak my games to ensure the best balance of performance and visuals on my particular setup.
And so on, and so forth, and I could really go on like this for half a page. I'm just saying, odds are that most of you look at the shit I'm valuing here and go "eh, I can live without".
My bike can beat up your fucking bike mate
I do enjoy being able to pick and choose exactly how I control each specific game, from the wide range of hardware available, some purpose built to suit specific genres, to software that lets me customize my mouse and keyboard layouts on a per-game basis.
I like the idea that I'm not going to have to worry about backwards compatibility 5 years from now, and that I don't have to worry about backwards compatibility (or remasters lol) right now.
I like the suite of hardware and software I've accumulated for myself that lets me record and stream high quality footage at 1080p 60fps with ease.
I like being able to mod and tweak my games to ensure the best balance of performance and visuals on my particular setup.
And so on, and so forth, and I could really go on like this for half a page. I'm just saying, odds are that most of you look at the shit I'm valuing here and go "eh, I can live without".
Oh yeah? I bet my bike is better than your bike. And my dad can beat up your dad.
My bike can beat up your fucking bike mate
😏It's from years of listening to the same pleas for attention, excuse me for finally addressing it
Even though I prefer console gaming, I'm glad PC gaming is thriving for many of the reasons you listed.
professor denim
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Im extremely sensitive to slowdown or low frame rates/input delay. Bloodborne plays like a dream, even if online co op tends to slow things down once in a while.
alexandros
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Exactly. Which is why your beef should be with
the person who first used that idiotic term, not with those who appropriated it in mockery of that person.
Honestly, it's because PC has no business in the argument. xbox vs. PS is a relevant argument. They are both catering to the same market and trying to meet the same priorities. Basically, both xbox and PS players tend to want the same thing in their device. PC is more marketed at a different market entirely (well two.. one for those that don't care much about gaming enough to buy a seperate device at all but want a time waster on the PC they already have and the dedicated gamers). This is something I find a lot of PC enthusiusts who keep trying to enlighten the console users don't seem to understand.
Put it this way. It's like if two people were arguing about a Camry vs an Accord and which one is faster. They both want a four door, reliable, family car but they want the fastest of those. Then some person who just hears the which one is faster part of the argument comes in and without understanding their real priorities (fast is just a nice extra) tells them a lamborghini is faster as if some how they didn't already know that. They both are going to give the Lamborghini person a look like, "Quit interrupting in a conversation you don't even understand." PC users who try to come in and say PC is better in a console argument are doing the same thing. Butting in a conversation without even understanding what those people want in their gaming console, only hearing one aspect that isn't even the most important part.
I disagree. I love PC but you need to dedicate a lot of more time on it. That's why I prefer the immediacy of the console.
RealityCheque
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"Consoles smell better than PCs".
We have a winner.
We have a winner.
My point is slightly vague, I apologize. There are likely arguments for or against every single bullet point listed as you point out, and as the tree in OP's post points out.
If you are passionate enough about video-games to the point at which you browse forums, have opinions about issues such as the state of the gaming industry or something else, you already are way more into video-games than anyone else. People like us are the minority, not the majority.
In that fashion, the same people who look up benchmark videos and console war videos on YouTube and comment on them belong to the same community people who are passionate about video-gaming. Then, it becomes very likely that these people who care about video-gaming also care about "the best experience." Hence why console wars begin and why PC vs Console debates exist. And just like any debate, there are radical opinions on both sides and people who want to vilify their own opinions, logical fallacies thrown around everywhere and it becomes a figurative shit-storm.
I simply try to make the point that if you love video games, you'd love them on any platform. Just look at the pros and cons that appeal to you.
The problem is that these arguments boil down to "nuh uh" and "yuh huh" which makes it impossible to make a reasonable judgement.
Gaming websites like Kotaku and the (actually hilarious, you can pay to publish an article on Forbes) articles on Forbes are heavily biased on the author's own preference. So one day, Kotaku (for example) may make a claim saying that PC is way too expensive while the next day, Forbes writes an article teaching people how to build a budget PC that can outperform consoles. Neither article is likely well-researched and understands every pro and con and I doubt they deign such nuances as even slightly important - clicks and clickbait is the way to go. Few truly unbiased videos exist, even fewer unbiased opinions.
As unbiased as I try to be, I still feel that I will always be biased towards PC gaming. And no doubt there are enough who are biased towards consoles.
If anything, I don't want to convert anyone. I just want to provide a better source of information for those who are new to all of this, new to loving video games, and wondering where to go next. There are enough people like me in the "PC Master Race" as well and there are also enough people like me on ConsoleGAF. And yes, I am passionate enough about video-gaming to the point where I'd type out multiple large paragraphs to support my views.
I think I enjoy the games I play too much for this.
I have a nice setup and two monitors, but I'll even go as far as turning off my second monitor while playing games.
haha, yeah. & I was expect a fun infografic, not a serious battle between people who really need to get out more.
I agree, but digital is not so "risky" on PC since you can back up your games, and you'll likely be able to play them 20 years from now (granted, with some tweaking, and maybe not all of them). But digital on consoles? Yeah, I buy everything physical on those unless they're digital only.
Dreams-Visions
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A solid argument. No wonder that thread was so short; there's no base counterpoint from which to argue against it.
Though the fact that I can boot up my 1994 PC games and play them today with my 2002 USB controllers while entire communities have to beg for BC for games just 2 years old if at all (thanks for doing it, MS) makes it pretty clear that the better platform for gaming is PC until such a day where consoles can be trusted to support BC through the lifetime of their brands, never mind controller/peripheral support.
They were off to such a respectable start with the 360 and PS3 both supporting Xbox, PS2 and even PSOne games if I recall correctly. Then this generation, just a big fuck you. I'd also like to see consoles support peripherals so long as they use a common port type. There is no acceptable reason why I can't use my 360 controller on my One via USB without needing an adapter. There is no acceptable reason why I can't use my PS3 racing wheel on my PS4 to play Drive Club via USB, but here we are. And those of us who own consoles just suck it up like battered spouses and pretend the piss raining down on us is rain.
The most ironic part being that many of these same posters will gleefully take the piss on Apple and Apple mobile device product fans who are essentially the same thing as console gamers. Because closed and arguably overpriced platforms suck...unless it's my favorite closed platform!
Spukc
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consoles are way easier than pc's
can't deny that.
but i have to say they are trying hard to be a pc these days.
operating systems that are buggy. installing games. constant updates.
but still consoles are easier..
i own a pc and i enjoy it more than my consoles.
but if pc's want to attract more gamers.
it need to be even easier for people.
can't deny that.
but i have to say they are trying hard to be a pc these days.
operating systems that are buggy. installing games. constant updates.
but still consoles are easier..
i own a pc and i enjoy it more than my consoles.
but if pc's want to attract more gamers.
it need to be even easier for people.
It takes a heck of a long time to click "play" on Steam after you've built your PC.
Crash Station
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PC still gonna need a lot more non-VN Japanese games for me to consider it better. It's getting there though.
Are you being willfully obtuse? Or maybe I'm just stupid, but I've spent waaaaay more time on pc resolving issues than on console.
IMO, anyone that tries to make people believe pcs are as plug an play as consoles is lying for some reason. I'm always curious as to that reason.
Yep, pretty much this. I just like the ease of the console (and playing on my tv which even with PC it's more awkward. For one trying to use a PC on a tv, the UI on a console is much better suited for using on a TV. But also trying to put the PC somewhere that it doesn't look weird. I'm not as worried about that but my BF is and it is his house/tv so what he wants comes into play too <- he doesn't game. He just tolerates my gaming and I'm lucky he does so seeing as he has no interest and I've tried).
Yeah I don't understand that. PC's are infinitely easier to use than they were in the 90's or hell, 10 years ago, but they're still not plug and play.
It's as silly as people saying they spend more time fixing issues on PC rather than playing the game, or 1 hour to do the graphical settings.
It's getting much better indeed! It's part of why I gave PC gaming a chance in the first place. I like that we're getting most fighting games these days.
Thanks for not reading a thing I wrote but still taking the time to respond.
I come from an era in PC gaming that I actually did have to spend an absolute shit ton of time editing config files, micromanaging the memory above 640k so that my game could run, and hardware that would crash without indicators.
We are currently in an era in which many console games are not properly playable for months and even years after release.
So if I have to make some tweaks due to a bad port myself, or Durante has to release a patch that allows resolution selection, it's better than not functioning properly.
The overwhelming majority of the time? Click download. Click play. Adjust graphics settings, and go. Oh, and that last part is optional now thanks to utilities like GFEX and RPTR doing it for you.
PCs have become more like consoles and consoles have become more like PCs (and not in the good way).
I don't want to use a keyboard and mouse. Even if I did, I don't even know how I'd setup a keyboard and mouse in front of my tv tbh.
Hell, I'll point out one of the ease things for me as a console player is buying a game that says PS4, I know it will run on the PS4 and it will run as advertised or at the very least as reviews say it runs on the PS4. No wondering if my computer is going to run the graphics much worse (and how much worse, will it be bearable). No trying to figure out what my graphics card is equivelent to to the one they use as an example for min/recommended specs. I honestly don't miss any of that (and I game on a Mac if I game on a PC... which has a lot less configurations so usually they can even just say you need this mac or newer. Consoles are still easier to just go, says PS4, runs on PS4).
ViolentP
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PCs are certainly not plug and play. It's that work that justifies the performance, however. Preference is relative to where you draw your line regarding that work.
This is the only argument about it that needs to happen:
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Chezzymann
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Yeah really. I know there are websites to see if a game can run with your specs but its not the same. It may be able to run minimum requirements, but will it run at 20fps low settings or 30 fps medium? For me, 30 fps medium is acceptable but 20fps low is not. Theres no defined 'standard' for that type of stuff. And if it meets the recommended, I'm not always sure if that means i'll run 30fps on high, or 60 fps ultra no drops. With consoles you know exactly the performance you'll get.
OmegaTreeFish
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I've been a PC and console gamer since I can remember. I currently have a gaming laptop and a ps4. While I switch between the two I keep ending up on the ps4 for two big reasons.
1) I prefer playing with a controller for comfort reasons. I'm not playing online against mouse users, its to much of a disadvantage. The even ground a console gives for online is great.
2) suspend / resume. I have way less time to game these days and being able to instantly be where you were at the end of the last gaming session regardless of if you hit a savepoint or not is fantastic.
I don't care that the hardware is comparatively weak to even mid-range PC's as that always ends up the case and you can still make games that look and run great on its hardware.
What does suck is digital prices and if a game runs like shit. But I can just not buy those games.
PC is mainly for photography and PC exclusives (stuff like total war and shadow run) these days.
PCs are way easier to use than ever before. However they still arnt close to how simple and quick the consoles make it.
1) I prefer playing with a controller for comfort reasons. I'm not playing online against mouse users, its to much of a disadvantage. The even ground a console gives for online is great.
2) suspend / resume. I have way less time to game these days and being able to instantly be where you were at the end of the last gaming session regardless of if you hit a savepoint or not is fantastic.
I don't care that the hardware is comparatively weak to even mid-range PC's as that always ends up the case and you can still make games that look and run great on its hardware.
What does suck is digital prices and if a game runs like shit. But I can just not buy those games.
PC is mainly for photography and PC exclusives (stuff like total war and shadow run) these days.
PCs are way easier to use than ever before. However they still arnt close to how simple and quick the consoles make it.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
if steam big screen mode. get's more popular.. this will be the answer..
there is only one mayor problem WAY to many different pc's so bad optimization.
Like the android phone market.
yes android phones are more powerful than iphone's
but have the same problem as pc,s to many models.
but devs can optimize apps more on iphone.
so games usually run better on iphone.
cause there are not allot of models.
This. Also physical game collecting.
Chezzymann
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