TMZ: Lamar Odom Found Unconscious In Nevada Brothel

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mjc said:
I wish I had encyclopedic knowledge of a rich family like the Kardashians. I'm just filling my brain with beer and football stats.
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Beer and football knowledge will at least be semi useful / interesting 20 years from now. Kardashian knowledge is the worst knowledge.

"Gather 'round the ol' campfire kids, granddad is gonna tell you all about the Kardashians."
 
dabig2 said:
For what reason, other than bigotry, could one be against gay marriage and affording equal rights to people whose only difference is their sexual preference?
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If someone believes in the so-called traditional definition of marriage, for religious reasons or otherwise, that does not automatically make them a bigot. That's just not how opinions work.

Being intolerant of and showing active hatred for someone of a different sexual orientation is bigotry, thinking that marriage shouldn't be redefined is something else entirely. Unless you can demonstrate that that person is intolerant, you're only assuming that their stance is fueled by bigotry and not reason. In other words, you can hold a politically incorrect opinion about a religion, race, gender, or sexual orientation without being a bigot. But in this PC-conscious day and age, I think too many people are throwing this word around without really knowing what it means.

TL;DR, look it up.
 
Valjean Lafitte said:
If someone believes in the so-called traditional definition of marriage, for religious reasons or otherwise, that does not make them a bigot. Being intolerant of and showing active hatred for someone of a different sexual orientation is bigotry, thinking that marriage shouldn't be redefined is something else
entirely. Unless you can demonstrate that that person is intolerant, you're only assuming that their stance is fueled by bigotry and not reason. In other words, you can hold a politically incorrect opinion about a religion, race, gender, or sexual orientation without being a bigot. But in this PC-conscious day and age, I think too many people are throwing this word around without really knowing what it means.

TL;DR, look it up.
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Yeah and just because somebody thinks white people are just better than everybody else doesn't make them racist. You have to find out why they think white people are better. Maybe it's just because that's what they were taught. Can't hold somebody accountable for that. It's just rude and mean. In fact, if you think that you're probably the real racist because you are saying white people aren't really better than everybody else. Who's the real bad guy here?
 
Valjean Lafitte said:
If someone believes in the so-called traditional definition of marriage, for religious reasons or otherwise, that does not automatically make them a bigot. That's just not how opinions work.

Being intolerant of and showing active hatred for someone of a different sexual orientation is bigotry, thinking that marriage shouldn't be redefined is something else entirely. Unless you can demonstrate that that person is intolerant, you're only assuming that their stance is fueled by bigotry and not reason. In other words, you can hold a politically incorrect opinion about a religion, race, gender, or sexual orientation without being a bigot. But in this PC-conscious day and age, I think too many people are throwing this word around without really knowing what it means.

TL;DR, look it up.
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Active hatred constitutes prejudice, not bigotry.

Bigotry is the action of being intolerant without resorting to violence or discrimination. You can't use these words interchangeably.
 
META said:
Active hatred constitutes prejudice, not bigotry.

Bigotry is the action of being intolerant without resorting to violence or discrimination. You can't use these words interchangeably.
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Point taken, but it doesn't really take away from my argument, which is this: You can hold politically incorrect opinions without being a bigot. In no way does thinking that marriage is a legal institution between a man and a woman and should thus remain unchanged mean that you are intolerant of homosexual people.

The "I was taught that white people are superior to black people therefore I'm not a bigot" counterargument that was presented by Archaix doesn't follow from my earlier comments on bigotry: in that instance, the person would still be a bigot since he has come to view other races as inferior. In the case of pro/anti-marriage, it isn't as clear whether the opinion holder thinks poorly of another group. But I suppose everything's got to be black and white with some people, with no room for a middle ground.
 
Valjean Lafitte said:
Point taken, but it doesn't really take away from my argument, which is this: You can hold politically incorrect opinions without being a bigot. In no way does thinking that marriage is a legal institution between a man and a woman and should thus remain unchanged mean that you are intolerant of homosexual people.

The "I was taught that white people are superior to black people therefore I'm not a bigot" counterargument that was presented by another poster is really a non sequitur: in that instance, the person would still be a bigot since he has come to view other races as inferior. In the case of pro/anti-marriage, it isn't as clear whether the opinion holder thinks poorly of another group.
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If you acknowledge that marriage is a legal union of two people and, subsequently, you actively oppose this legal right to a certain population (e.g., gay couples) you are therefore practicing intolerance towards a group of people (i.e., bigotry).
 
META said:
If you acknowledge that marriage is a legal union of two people and, subsequently, you actively oppose this legal right to a certain population (e.g., gay couples) you are therefore practicing intolerance towards a group of people (i.e., bigotry).
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Well, sure. Until recently, though, it was generally assumed that, legally speaking, marriage was recognized on a federal level as a union between two members of the opposite sex. If you're still railing against gay couples having that right even after the USC declared marriage as a legal union of two members of any sex, then yes, you're absolutely right and that would make you a bigot. But I was talking from the context of when Caitlin made the alleged bigoted remarks, which I assumed was before the USC set in stone a new legal definition for marriage.

Edit: And since you can't play devil's advocate without some people making faulty assumptions about you, I feel obligated to state that I'm absolutely for every orientation, race, and religion having the same rights as every other orientation, race, and religion.

Edit 2: Wasn't this thread about Lamar Odom? Jesus. I'm sorry I said anything. I haven't the slightest desire to derail this thread further, so that's it from me.
 
The most amazing thing about this thread is how many Lamar Odom fans we apparently have on GAF. Who knew?
 
Add another one!

Lamar Odom Being Weaned Off Life Support
"Lamar Odom was able to breathe on his own, with the help of a mask rather than a ventilator ... TMZ has learned.

Our sources say doctors are trying to get Lamar functioning on his own, so a few minute before this story was posted, they took him off the ventilator and put a breathing mask on Odom.

We're told doctors are putting him back on the ventilator and used the mask as a test, and they plan on going back and forth to see if Lamar would be able to breath without heavy life support.

It's another hopeful sign. As we reported tests Friday morning revealed Lamar's heart has shown some improvement. That said, our sources were quick to add Lamar is not out of the woods by any means, and it's unclear if he'll be able to sustain breathing on his own."
http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/16/lamar-odom-life-support-ventilator/
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People nobody really gives a fuck about the Jenners or the Kardashians. I know I contributed a bit but lets knock it off. Please.


And Lamar is talking :)
 
I really hope the sources saying that he's responsive are accurate.

Also, this sentence from the Kardashians' press release would have made no sense a decade ago: "As a family, we've decided to hold off on publishing content across our apps while we continue to support and pray for Lamar."
 
Im still not entirely convinced that this wasnt a suicide attempt. 10 blood thinnin pills and a bottle of cognac doesn't sound loke something a "coke addict" would load up on
 
I hope he pulls through.

It's crazy how some substances mixed together can wreak havoc on the human body.

I don't think I could ever get hooked on drugs or alcohol like that. I have too much self consciousness. Even drinking heavy amounts, I start to doubt that I'll be able to control myself, so I start to slow down and try to sober up.

Maybe I'm wrong, I mean I haven't experienced substance addiction, so what am I to really say. I hope I never allow for myself to spiral out of control.
 
M52B28 said:
I hope he pulls through.

It's crazy how some substances mixed together can wreak havoc on the human body.

I don't think I could ever get hooked on drugs or alcohol like that. I have too much self consciousness. Even drinking heavy amounts, I start to doubt that I'll be able to control myself, so I start to slow down and try to sober up.

Maybe I'm wrong, I mean I haven't experienced substance addiction, so what am I to really say. I hope I never allow for myself to spiral out of control.
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his dad was a heroin addict, I don't know that he had much of a chance
 
I'm mostly concerned about his quality of life if he does pull through :(. It'll be great if he can at least survive, but what will his speech be like? His motor skills? His ability to thrive or even just live on his own :(.
 
It seems like there are some conflicting reports out there.

Regarding movements:
"Reports are being posted that Lamar is now communicating in some fashion, but our sources say he is not. There are some body movements, including eye opening, but doctors have made it clear the movements are all involuntary."
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And the story TMZ posted might be somewhat correct, but not in the same way they posted. It looks a bit more serious, than Lamar now breathing to a mask. I know the TMZ comment section isn't the best for source, but it seems like the nature of "weaning him off life support" is not the same procedure TMZ posted. There are still tubes in Lamar's throat. It doesn't sound as good as "Lamar now breathing through a mask".

EDIT: or who knows, I guess it is a miracle. Sounds crazy from being on the brink of death, to almost recuperating the next minute.
 
Hip Hop said:
It seems like there are some conflicting reports out there.

Regarding movements:


And the story TMZ posted might be somewhat correct, but not in the nature they posted. It looks a bit more serious, than Lamar now breathing to a mask. I know the TMZ comment section isn't the best for source, but it seems like the nature of "weaning him off life support" is not the same procedure TMZ posted. There are still tubes in Lamar's throat. It doesn't sound as good as "Lamar now breathing through a mask".

EDIT: or who knows, I guess it is a miracle. Sounds crazy from being on the brink of death, to almost recuperating the next minute.
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Tmz's update is from 10:30am this morning so it's likely out of date by now.

With espn, E online, cbs and others picking up the news about him waking up, I'm now inclined to believe it.

Definitely good news if it holds though!
 
Megalosaro said:
So... what is the likelihood Odom had brain damage? I heard he suffered numerous strokes. Is that true?
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I would imagine very very high. His strokes hopefully were mini strokes and not massive ones, because multiple strokes can absolutely destroy a brain.

Insertia said:
Great news. Hope he lays off the drugs that kill. Stick to weed, Odom.
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Yeah definitely far from good to go yet.
 
I'm amazed how resilient the human body can be. I thought for sure this story would take a different turn
 
msdstc said:
Unfortunately that is extremely unlikely.
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Was his injuries that bad? I haven't read all the details. He is only 35 now and allot of decent ball players have remained in the league around there early to mid 40's and still have been able to produce coming off the bench giving minimal minutes to a team in need.
 
EASTC0AST_GH05T said:
Was his injuries that bad? I haven't read all the details. He is only 35 now and allot of decent ball players have remained in the league around there early to mid 40's and still have been able to produce coming off the bench giving minimal minutes to a team in need.
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Most of them didn't have drug overdose infused strokes/comas though.
 
He had multiple strokes and major organ failure. Just being able to walk and speak the way you used to can be a struggle for some after those kinda battles. Even if he were in perfect playing shape, honestly there would probably be few teams willing to sign him.
 
EASTC0AST_GH05T said:
Was his injuries that bad? I haven't read all the details. He is only 35 now and allot of decent ball players have remained in the league around there early to mid 40's and still have been able to produce coming off the bench giving minimal minutes to a team in need.
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I wouldn't say "a lot."

There aren't even any active 40 year olds right now.
 
Dr.Acula said:
I wouldn't say "a lot."

There aren't even any active 40 year olds right now.
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To be specific, there have been 22 40+ players in the history of the NBA, and half of them were centers, and the rest were 'coach on the floor' types just eeking out minutes at the tail end of their career. Also almost all of them were respected veteran leaders or star players. Kareem, Parish, Stockton, Malone, Jordan, Mutumbo, etc. An NBA team is not going to bring in someone on the down side of their career with the kind of red flags that Odom has, the closest to an Odom type on that list is Charles Oakley, but he was just an enforcer type, don't think there was the same level of off court baggage.

If you take 'mid 40s' very liberally to mean 42+, then there are exactly 5 players that fit that. 4 centers and a player who's last game was pre 1950. The NBA is a young man's game, after 34-35 the schedule will break most players, just look at Kobe the last couple years, or Nash the last 5(hell 7-8 :P) of his career.
 
Yea I agree, but right now Garnett and Duncan are 39 and if they wanted to hang around a few more years I think they could and still contribute to a team. Paul Pierce is 38 and I think he has a few more good years left in him. Ray Allen is 40 and still officially a free agent who I think can be a huge pickup for a playoff contending team.
 
Apparently he was never without Oxygen now.

Lamar Odom was never without oxygen ... and this is a critical factor weighing in his recovery.

Our sources tell us, when Lamar was admitted to the first hospital in Pahrump, Nevada after the 911 call, his respirations were 6-8 breaths a minute. Normal is 12-20. That led doctors to conclude he was never without oxygen.

We're also told when the ambulance picked Lamar up from the Love Ranch, his blood had 38% oxygen saturation. Paramedics treated him and by the time he entered the ER, the percentage increased to 58%. Normal blood saturation is in the high 90's.

Doctors who are treating Lamar are hopeful he did not suffer significant brain damage because of lack of oxygen. This is all consistent with the person who called 911 and said Lamar was struggling but breathing.

The wild card is that Lamar suffered a series of strokes in the hospital, and it's still undetermined what it did to his brain.

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