There are multiple reasons I'm not supporting Harper which include the way he and his party have been running the government in the last few years and the disgusting campaign they have been running in the last month or so.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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There are multiple reasons I'm not supporting Harper which include the way he and his party have been running the government in the last few years and the disgusting campaign they have been running in the last month or so.
gutter_trash
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ksharp, if the Conservatiave would have kept the P party of their party, they wouln't be receiving such a backlash.
Brian Mulroney stood up to Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan on South Africa's Apartheid. Mulroney was alone out of three to be outspokenly against Apartheid
the Brits had to wait for John Major to replace Margret Thatcher to finally change positions to be against Apartheid.
LOL, Americans. Ronald Reagan didn't give a fuck.
that P of Progressive Conservatives has disappeared from the present Conservatives and they have lost people like Scott Brisson who did not seem himself anymore in Harper's merged party.
Brian Mulroney stood up to Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan on South Africa's Apartheid. Mulroney was alone out of three to be outspokenly against Apartheid
the Brits had to wait for John Major to replace Margret Thatcher to finally change positions to be against Apartheid.
LOL, Americans. Ronald Reagan didn't give a fuck.
that P of Progressive Conservatives has disappeared from the present Conservatives and they have lost people like Scott Brisson who did not seem himself anymore in Harper's merged party.
I'd like to introduce the concept of the "veil of ignorance".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_of_ignorance
For our purposes, let's modify the though experiment to be as such.
In 5 years time you will be born to a family in Canada, but you get to choose who wins this election right now (out of the 3 parties). You do not get to choose which family you are born into, and you could be born into any family in equal likelihood. Who do you choose?
Probably not the Conservatives.
Lol.
The richest person I know is voting Liberal. I don't know how much exactly he makes, but he's definitely going to be paying a lot more taxes soon. He's also working in finance, so I'm guessing he's not too worried about the Liberals ruining the stock market
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_of_ignorance
For our purposes, let's modify the though experiment to be as such.
In 5 years time you will be born to a family in Canada, but you get to choose who wins this election right now (out of the 3 parties). You do not get to choose which family you are born into, and you could be born into any family in equal likelihood. Who do you choose?
Probably not the Conservatives.
Lol.
The richest person I know is voting Liberal. I don't know how much exactly he makes, but he's definitely going to be paying a lot more taxes soon. He's also working in finance, so I'm guessing he's not too worried about the Liberals ruining the stock market
massivekettle
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Again, it's not a troll. It truly depends on your situation. Living downtown Toronto, with a mortgage, and a family and kids and $200k will not take you very far.
ksharp: How can you support a government that destroys its own ability to gather information and systematically dismantles the parts of the government that exist to speak hard truths to power (the statisticians and scientists most obviously)? How can a government make good choices if it has made it impossible to have good data?
FreeQuebec86
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I don't want to "spam" but if you like this video :
http://youtu.be/8cF2Xnde1aw
And have Reddit, help me!
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http://youtu.be/8cF2Xnde1aw
And have Reddit, help me!
https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/3pcqoj/videogaming_wrestlingprediction_for_the_canadian/
xD But i think, this page might have a lot of non-gamer. Where could i post it ? Or dont be shy to share!
Did the article explain what marginal tax rate meant?
Exactly. We actually had a surplus and the Conservatives blew that on wasteful shit while giving tax breaks for the upper class. Conservative party can't manage money at all. After 10 years we are in a far worse state than before. A healthy economy supports their weakest links and to do that we need to tax the upper class and make them pay their fair share. We need better social services in Canada and we actually had them.
10 years of cuts is going to take a while to fix and who knows how bad it actually is. Federal CPC will probably do what they did in Alberta and shred public documents hiding as much corruption as they can.
people get by with a quarter of that and you're trying to tell me that's nothing? fuck off.
gutter_trash
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I don't make 200k, so I will be getting a TAX CUT
You'll need a piece of ID with your picture and name on it, and as long as your pay stub has your address and name on it, together they should be adequate.
Yay Andrew Coyne is back. My favourite columnist.
I'm hoping he'll be one of the analysts on the CBC election results show this evening.
massivekettle
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I know what marginal tax rate means, which is probably why I am not too happy about it.
IISANDERII
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Then you know that the 50%+ rate only affects the last dollar range, right?
massivekettle
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No need to resort to attacks. It's not about "getting by", but more about trying to live a comfortable lifestyle. And in certain parts of this country, $200k is not exactly "balling".
People here would think that people making $200k drive Bugattis to work, but let me tell you that's not the case at all.
Yes, I know. Still not happy, though.
Simon Belmont
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The average tax rate for 200k is 36.08%. A far cry from 50+. Your math does not check out.
yeah I got my driver's license. that's the primary or whatever. the secondary asks for two pieces and one has to have an address and name on it and the only thing I have with my address on it is a pay stub. everything else is name only. Thanks, heading out in a bit
edit: I can't read. I voted now so it's all good. thanks, everyone
For the record anything over ~190k is literally the top 1% of income in Canada.
Yea sucks you gotta settle for that Merc or Lexus bro
Simon Belmont
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But you don't understand. You still have to make choices and that's just not fair!
Silver Arrows
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He probably is because all of the At Issue gang will be their. Also he quit the national post because of an editorial disagreement.
https://storify.com/polisisti/andrew-coyne-resigns-from-editorial-position-at-na
You don't need a secondary piece of ID anymore. http://elections.ca/content2.aspx?section=id&document=index&lang=e
massivekettle
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I suppose you have not read this article.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ax-avoidance-economists-warn/article24263994/
matthewwhatever
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...so then you know it's not 50% of every dollar you earn, which is what you claimed in the first place.
Perfect Blue
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If you have your driver's license that's all you need!
gutter_trash
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if you make 200K a year, you can save your butt by maxing out your RRSPs to be under 200K
killer rin
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rich people are so out of touch with reality
Those are marginal rates.
Hey, Lexus is a good choice. It's Acura that is for the posering plebs.
Hahaha yea I like Lexus, was just comparing to the Buggati
Yes. That means that if you earn $255,000, only $5000 will be assessed the 58.75% rate.
Yeah this is why there's technically a slim amount of 1%ers that won't get a tax increase under the Trudeau plan. If you make 200k but not a dollar more you don't get a tax increase. You do get ~$600 from the middle class tax cut tho lol.
massivekettle
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lol
Ok. So what? What's so magic about the "1%". This discussion on income reminds me of the thread about wealth-shaming...
Pretty much, you gotta think of the others making minimum wage taking care of their family.
This is better for MORE Canadians.
It's about not being selfish.
As someone who lives in NB, if you are making 200k you have essentially achieved Feudal Lord status. You can get by comfortably with so little here
Simon Belmont
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No, I just know that the "combined rate" and "average rate" are not the same. You're still not going to be paying 50%+ of your income. Just the stuff over 200k.
Yeah, I'd say I'm voting out of extreme dislike for Harper -- not him personally, but his track record over the past decade and his proposed policies. Eliminating the long form census? Dumb. Doing nothing about missing and murdered Aboriginal women, while pretending to be tough-on-crime by writing virtually useless legislation? Disgusting and cowardly. Raising the TFSA limit to $10,000? Terrible economic idea. Even Joe Oliver acknowledged it's going to cause problems for future generations.
I'm trying to give you some perspective here.
Sure. But if you're living in downtown Toronto, he's not wrong. That isn't going to get you very far, if you plan on buying even a beat up fixer upper in a shady neighbourhood.
OH NO
Silver Arrows
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Rename this thread to the ksharp copypasta extravaganza
Simon Belmont
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It's relative deprevation. Folks like that see people doing better than them and say that's not fair. They don't look at the people doing worse and think the same thing.
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