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[brandonh83]

All I'm saying is if we can determine what kind of ships the Romans had and how they used them from broken bits of pottery we excavated from a hole, the Universe should have no trouble whatsoever remembering an organization that's only been dead for 50 years.

He's confirming to Rey and Finn what they've heard. Stories. They're not oblivious to it, but Han was there. You're assuming a great deal about these characters as well as the universe in general. Rey for example is from this desert planet like Tatooine, and I don't get the impression that she's been properly schooled or whatever. It isn't a reach that not everyone in the galaxy has all this information.

It's really not a big deal.

 

[Boke1879]

Blame the prequels. Jedi were mysterious and mythical in the OT, a dead religion.

The prequels had Jedis known and very public.

Yea because most Jedi were dead in ANH

 

[ExVicis]

Eh not really. It's not just one planet but a whole galaxy. It's not shocking to me at all that most people never seen a Jedi and only heard stories.

Anakin in the PT literally thought Jedi's couldn't die. That alone shows that stories can be spread and that Jedi were viewed as mythical even then.

I wouldn't consider that evidence since Anakin was a child when he said that and most kids at 10 when they hear stories of heroes usually believe them incapable of death. How many kids who love their father ever really think he's capable of dying?

 

[Fou-Lu]

I always saw midichlorians as a parasite that fed on the force or something. So people with more force potential have more midichlorians near them.

 

[sti4thewin]

so guys has this ever happened? I dont recall any moving in my area socal where all showings up to 2am on thursday night are all sold out. WHAT IS HAPPENING

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

I honestly think Luke turned bad? Is it possible?

It would legit fuck me up if Luke was a bad guy. I don't want that to happen. It makes no sense to me. I love Luke.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Best part of all this excitement is that this is only for the first movie of the trilogy. We still got two more baby!

Trevorrow tho

 

[Gorillaz]

wait they got the guys from The Raid in this shit?

 

[vas_a_morir]

How about the fact that Jedis were commonplace and had a counsel involved in galactic politics just 20 years before the OT? That is an insignificant amount of time in the history of the Republic. Everything about the Force and Jedis doesn't mesh between the PT and OT.

Just say mediclorians are attracted to the force, but not the force. Yoda said it himself: "Luminous beings are we; not this crude matter" The force is a supernatural spiritual energy not fully understood by contemporary society. I mean, how could mediclorians allow people to talk from the dead? Just pretend it didn't happen or retcon it by saying it was a misunderstanding by scholars.

 

[El Topo]

He's confirming to Rey and Finn what they've heard. Stories. They're not oblivious to it, but Han was there. You're assuming a great deal about these characters as well as the universe in general. Rey for example is from this desert planet like Tatooine, and I don't get the impression that she's been properly schooled or whatever. It isn't a reach that not everyone in the galaxy has all this information.

It's really not a big deal.

It's also important that information and stories spread during war are not always too reliable. There's probably an enormous amount of propaganda.

 

[Extollere]

There is too much hype. Movie will simply be good, at best, maybe great. But not the Earth shattering revelation that some fan boys have dreamt up in their minds... thus leading a disillusioned few to gripe and complain for all eternity that it isn't all that they ever wanted. Keep your hype in check people!

 

[Fj0823]

Yeah, it was a really hamfisted way to try to introduce power levels DBZ style. They needed a way to establish Anakin as the chosen one, and what "better" way to do it then saying 'His power level is more than Master Yoda's.'

The proper analogue for the myth stuff would be more like if people said that the order of the Knights Templar still existed right now and they were influencing major world events.

Midichlorians don't messure your "power" they're

a) The physical manifestation of the force, the tool the force uses to manifest itself in the world. Think of the force as the christian god, and midichlorians as the holy spirit.

b)An easy way to explain the force being in the family despite Leia having the spirituality of a rock. (Leia never reaches Jedi status in the current canon. she's limited to feeling stuff.)

c)The physical component of the force that makes YOUR BODY sensitive to the force, without proper training, your mind won't make heads or tails of what you experience.

Your power is not tied to how many midichlorians you have, it's only a way the Jedi used to meassure a prospect's potential. Things got iffy for Qui-Gon when he learned anakin was basically made of the stuff, probably meaning he was created by the force itself.

THAT's what made him special, not the count itself, but the circumstances.

 

[Tabris]

I got my tickets for Dec 17th at 7pm PST

 

[teiresias]

Amazing, and everything looks so . . . solid . . . what a breathe of fresh air after the prequels. I really hope Williams reuses alot of his OT leitmotifs for this film. I never really got into the PT scores at all, not sure why since he did reference a few, but none of my favorites (since my favorites tended to be OT character motifs).

I still don't think it's hit me we're finally getting post-ROTJ films yet. It probably won't hit me until I'm actually in the theater and see one of the OT characters on screen for the first time.

 

[ExVicis]

Blame the prequels. Jedi were mysterious and mythical in the OT, a dead religion. Esoteric knowledge and skill and regarded as stories.

The prequels had Jedis known and very public.

Yeah I kinda do blame the prequels. But I will admit a lot of this is bitterness about the EU being made non-canon also. If they can't even remain consistent after wiping the EU away then why even bother doing it?

 

[brandonh83]

Trevorrow tho

It'll suck. They'll turn face and quit trying for no reason, as evident by that choice.

 

[Dommo]

All I'm saying is if we can determine what kind of ships the Romans had and how they used them from broken bits of pottery we excavated from a hole, the Universe should have no trouble whatsoever remembering an organization that's only been dead for 50 years.

You don't live under a relentlessly oppressive dictatorship. We have no idea how far and how quickly the Empire can push such an agenda, but I can't imagine it being too unreasonable. Probably the most bizarre part about it is the ridiculously quick transfer over from a republic founded on (seemingly) freedom of speech and democracy can immediately be switched over into this ruthless oppression, but once it's actually a dictatorship, it doesn't seem crazy that twenty years will wear down the knowledge and history of society.

Either way, the problem doesn't lie with TFA. That's a prequel issue that's existed since ROTS, and all problems stem from there. TFA is merely taking the idea from ANH, where it's commonplace to assume Jedi and the Force are urban legends, and ran with it. There's no contradiction there at all. EDIT: ^Ah yeah okay, no problem.

 

[demosthenes]

How about the fact that Jedis were commonplace and had a counsel involved in galactic politics just 20 years before the OT? That is an insignificant amount of time in the history of the Republic. Everything about the Force and Jedis doesn't mesh between the PT and OT.

See:

They were not as "all over the place" as it seemed. During the Clone Wars, there were only 10,000 in a galaxy of how many 'illions, with a large portion having been killed off over a short course of time by Order 66. Most people had only ever heard of jedi, but never seen them in person. We just happened to see much of the events from their perspective during the story.

Yes they don't mesh perfectly, but I'm not losing sleep over it and it's not going to hurt my enjoyment at all.

 

[Boke1879]

There is too much hype. Movie will simply be good, at best, maybe great. But not the Earth shattering revelation that some fan boys have dreamt up in their minds... thus leading a disillusioned few to gripe and complain for all eternity that it isn't all that they ever wanted. Keep your hype in check people!

Sorry I can't do that.

 

[Randam]

So, I am out of order in believing the possibility that this movie will shatter previous records?

I mean...it looks pretty good

It's only a trailer dude.

 

[Brian_FETO]

I've been trying to keep expectations as low as possible for this film

I've feared that it'll pander too much to fans of the originals as a reaction to the prequels

I've feared that a Star Wars movie "by fans" will feel off, won't be able to live up to the originals and will simply rely on nostalgia.

This trailer scares me, because it seems like they may actually make a real motherfucking Star Wars movie

Somehow navigated my way through the burning wreckage that is Fandango.com and snagged one of the last two tickets to the 10:30 opening night IMAX 3D showing. Could not be more excited

 

[ryan299]

Best part of the trailers are no lens flares and no extreme camera shaking. lol

 

[Mr Cola]

Just had this pointed out to me

The X wings on water we have seen from the trailers...it creates a water shield that makes it hard for the enemy to shoot them

How fucking clever is that.

 

[adj_noun]

What a trailer.

What a time to be a Star Wars fan.

It's like 1999 chills all over again.

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

Made me emotional and more hyped but....

visual style is making me wish for better cinematography, more stylized color grading, and the effects (aerial stuff) were kinda underwhelming. Aside from that...where's my cryo chamber?

 

[Scrooged]

I'm already suspending all the EU canon, this is just more added on to the ever-growing pile of things I need to suspend to make the movie work apparently. It's starting to feel more like I'm compensating for lazy writing.

It's best to think that the PT didn't happen and that Jedi have been rare and mysterious for centuries. Thankfully it looks like JJ is distancing himself from the PT, so that should make it easier to ignore.

 

[Erevador]

Trevorrow tho

Here's hoping somehow Rian or J.J. end up shadow directing via active "producing" like Lucas did with Jedi.

 

[Imperial]

Trevorrow tho

It'll be the ROTJ of the sequel trilogy. Not bad by any means, but not on the level of the previous two

 

[MattyG]

Just had this pointed out to me

The X wings on water we have seen from the trailers...it creates a water shield that makes it hard for the enemy to shoot them

How fucking clever is that.

Oh my god. I love this.

 

[boiled goose]

Midichlorians don't messure your "power" they're

a) The physical manifestation of the force, the tool the force uses to manifest itself in the world. Think of the force as the christian god, and midichlorians as the holy spirit.

b)An easy way to explain the force being in the family despite Leia having the spirituality of a rock. (Leia never reaches Jedi status in the current canon. she's limited to feeling stuff.)

c)The physical component of the force that makes YOUR BODY sensitive to the force, without proper training, your mind won't make heads or tails of what you experience.

Your power is not tied to how many midichlorians you have, it's only a way the Jedi used to meassure a prospect's potential. Things got iffy for Qui-Gon when he learned anakin was basically made of the stuff, probably meaning he was created by the force itself.

THAT's what made him special, not the count itself, but the circumstances.

Most things here are kinda wrong and the analogies are not particularly helpful....

 

[TAJ]

Only five or six people in OG Star Wars even laid eyes on one. Over three movies. Luke arguably even wasn't one till he chose peace at the emperors test.

A lot more did. They just got killed off like force users were trying to leave no witnesses.
Even Luke was like "Sorry, you saw my lightsaber. You've got to go.".

 

[styl3s]

Planning to go with Jar Jar mask to the movie with 9 other friends.

This would of been funny 13 years ago when Clone Wars opened but it's not even beating a dead horse at this point because the horse's corpse has turned to bone and disintegrated.

 

[bigwinnerx]

It was all so beautifully...subtle. Then the Love Theme kicks in. Lost it a little bit.

 

[Dryk]

This would make a pretty awesome album cover

 

[Ghostmaster]

It'll be the ROTJ of the sequel trilogy. Not bad by any means, but not on the level of the previous two

That's kind of unfair, Jurrasic World was his first blockbuster movie.

There's a big chance he'll improve with star wars IX especially since he'll have the backup of the entire lucasfilm that will hopefully stay the same during the entire trilogy.

 

[Lowmelody]

Imagine Han Solo instinctively firing a shot at Kylo and him deflecting the shot right to Chewie, killing him with Han's own shot.

 

[F0rneus]

Rama, Mad Dog and The Assassin. In Star Wars. As badass fucking Sith looking motherfuckers. Holy shit.

 

[Fj0823]

Most things here are kinda wrong.

Do tell what I got wrong?

Im almost paraphrasing the last few episodes of the clone wars

 

[ExVicis]

He's confirming to Rey and Finn what they've heard. Stories. They're not oblivious to it, but Han was there. You're assuming a great deal about these characters as well as the universe in general. Rey for example is from this desert planet like Tatooine, and I don't get the impression that she's been properly schooled or whatever. It isn't a reach that not everyone in the galaxy has all this information.

It's really not a big deal.

Well who knows, then on that level because no one outside of people involved with the movie know Rey's character.

But I will say Han Solo even knew bits about the Force and bits about Jedi and that was in ANH which means clearly the Empire clearly didn't or couldn't censor everything.



Actually if the Empire is effectively out of control and the New Republic has control they probably have documents the Empire surpressed. They probably released all the shit about Palpatine being a Sith, the Empire looking into Force related issues or even Palpatine's hand in destroying the Jedi Order.

Like I said there's too many reasons for someone not to know unless they are willfully ignorant (which again still makes no sense since Han was ignorant and he STILL knew).

 

[No Life King]

It was all so beautifully...subtle. Then the Love Theme kicks in. Lost it a little bit.

Same here, dude. The extra emphasis on the key changes are goosebumps inducing. John Williams is the best.

 

[midramble]

Imagine Han Solo instinctively firing a shot at Kylo and him deflecting the shot right to Chewie, killing him with Han's own shot.

That's what happens when you shoot first.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Tickets sold out here for opening night.... 2 months in advance. I don't think I've ever seen anything like this.

This is madness, this is Star Wars.

Holy crap.

Should I be worried that I won't get to see this on opening day. >_>

 

[ExVicis]

That's what happens when you shoot first.

Thank god Han never did that and just has stupid looking reflexes.

 

[Fahrenheit]

Guess I'm in the vast minority. Looked meh to me. First the positives, cinematography and most ofl the acting looks great. Only bad acting I saw was Ford who is still not giving a single fuck about a performance. Wouldn't bother me if he was only gonna be in 10 minutes of the movie but going by the poster and the trailer he's gonna be a main character. Now the negatives, dialog is borderline cringe worthy. "Who are you?", "I'm no one", sounds like a Sonic the Edgehog fan story. "I was raised to do one thing but I got nothing to fight for" what does that even mean? "The force is calling to you, just let it in" I read that on a teenagers live journal ten years ago right? I'm willing to bed all them lines were written for a trailer then shoe horned into the movie. And I don't care how many times they show it the crucifix lightsaber looks dumb as fuck.


Also it's so fucking tacky who they are whoring this thing out and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Some place in my deep dark heart I hope this thing comes out and bombs just to burn Disney.

My hopes and dreams? The villain kills hans and chewie at the end and in a fit of rage Boyega knocks off the bad guys mask reveling Skywalker. Movie ends with Skywalker leaving Boyega and Ridley half dead on the battlefield before flying off.

 

[demosthenes]

Well who knows, then on that level because no one outside of people involved with the movie know Rey's character.

But I will say Han Solo even knew bits about the Force and bits about Jedi and that was in ANH which means clearly the Empire clearly didn't or couldn't censor everything.



Actually if the Empire is effectively out of control and the New Republic has control they probably have documents the Empire surpressed. They probably released all the shit about Palpatine being a Sith, the Empire looking into Force related issues or even Palpatine's hand in destroying the Jedi Order.

Like I said there's too many reasons for someone not to know unless they are willfully ignorant (which again still makes no sense since Han was ignorant and he STILL knew).

We'll just have to agree to disagree. There are quadrillions of people in the galaxy. No one gives a shit about outter rim worlds. No the New Republic isn't going to hand out info cards about Palpatine to every sentient citizen. I think there are perfectly fine reasons not to know, I just think you're convinced on finding issue.

Guess I'm in the vast minority. Looked meh to me. First the positives, cinematography and most ofl the acting looks great. Only bad acting I saw was Ford who is still not giving a single fuck about a performance. Wouldn't bother me if he was only gonna be in 10 minutes of the movie but going by the poster and the trailer he's gonna be a main character. Now the negatives, dialog is borderline cringe worthy. "Who are you?", "I'm no one", sounds like a Sonic the Edgehog fan story. "I was raised to do one thing but I got nothing to fight for" what does that even mean? "The force is calling to you, just let it in" I read that on a teenagers live journal ten years ago right? I'm willing to bed all them lines were written for a trailer then shoe horned into the movie. And I don't care how many times they show it the crucifix lightsaber looks dumb as fuck.


Also it's so fucking tacky who they are whoring this thing out and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. Some place in my deep dark heart I hope this thing comes out and bombs just to burn Disney.

My hopes and dreams? The villain kills hans and chewie at the end and in a fit of rage Boyega knocks off the bad guys mask reveling Skywalker. Movie ends with Skywalker leaving Boyega and Ridley half dead on the battlefield before flying off.

I feel like you're not a fan of Star Wars from reading this :lol....and I don't understand the underline at all...you seem to have some pent up anger at Disney...

 

[Dennis]

 

[More_Badass]

Well who knows, then on that level because no one outside of people involved with the movie know Rey's character.

But I will say Han Solo even knew bits about the Force and bits about Jedi and that was in ANH which means clearly the Empire clearly didn't or couldn't censor everything.

Being a smuggler, Han isn't exactly representative of what the average person would know from Empire-censored info

 

[ponpo]

Just had this pointed out to me

The X wings on water we have seen from the trailers...it creates a water shield that makes it hard for the enemy to shoot them

How fucking clever is that.

Water shield? Isn't it just the water behind them like in the first trailer.

 

[brandonh83]

Like I said there's too many reasons for someone not to know unless they are willfully ignorant (which again still makes no sense since Han was ignorant and he STILL knew).

People come from different places. Where you come from, the people you know, whether or not you're schooled all have a dramatic impact on what you know. This isn't quite as to the point as you're making it out to be. Han heard about the Jedi and the Force through stories, and now Rey is hearing about it through his story.

 

[More_Badass]

Menacing. As. Fuck.