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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer

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Getting caught up on this thread.

I think the funniest thing, and most ironic, is that people are joking about random characters in the background getting fleshed out backstories....

Well in the first post ROTJ novel (Aftermath I think its called) the main protagonist is the female y-wing pilot that flew into the the second deathstar with wedge and lando. Don't remember her? Well look closely because she is there...

LOL
 
Have fun. http://starwarz.com/starkiller/revenge-of-the-jedi-revised-rough-draft/

131. INT. HAD ABBADON – TOMB’S DUNGEON

Lord Vader struggles to stand as Ben prods the Emperor onto the same small island. Luke stands behind Ben and watches.

EMPEROR
You have become old and weak, Lord Vader. I will take care of this.

The Emperor turns his back on Vader and faces the old Jedi, raising his hands in the air, which causes lightning to strike at Ben.

LUKE
BEN, NO!

Luke leaps in front of his mentor, and raises his hand in defense. The bolts are deflected by an invisible shield. Wherever a bolt hits, the image of Yoda momentarily appears at the point of impact.

EMPEROR
Your Master in the netherworld cannot protect you for long. You will turn to me or die.

The lightning bolts become more intense, and Ben is knocked unconscious. Luke drops to his knees under the pressure.

EMPEROR
This is the power of the Dark Side that you deny. Your strength will never match it.

Luke struggles to remain conscious against the superior power of the Emperor.

LUKE
Yoda…

EMPEROR
Obi-Wan foresaw my destruction at your hands, young Skywalker, but it seems his vision was clouded…Perhaps there is still another Skywalker. Why can I not see, could the netherworld have influenced my perception? Another Skywalker…your father!

The Emperor turns around to see Lord Vader flying at him. The lightning bolts around Luke disappear as Vader hits the Emperor, knocking them both into the fiery lake of lava. The hideous screams of the Emperor are soon muted. Luke struggles to his feet and stares at the spot where his enemy and his father disappeared into the cauldron of molten rock.

Ben puts his hand on the young Jedi’s shoulder.

BEN
It is in Yoda’s hands now.

[“In the rough draft…Ben explains that…if Vader becomes one with the dark side of the Force, he will lose all identity. If he turns to the good side, he will pass through the Netherworld and” in the revised rough draft, Yoda “will rescue him before he becomes one with the Force.” -L. Bouzerau, explanation from Star Wars The Annotated Screenplays page 300.]

LUKE
He turned back to the good side.

BEN
Yes, he did.
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Funny how none of that neatherworld/soul stuff made it into the movie. I remember as a kid pondering about that "Then I'll see you in Hell!" snapback from Han Solo in ESB. Is there a Hell in the Star Wars universe? Isn't that an Earth concept/religion?
 
ViewtifulJC said:
Funny how none of that neatherworld/soul stuff made it into the movie. I remember as a kid pondering about that "Then I'll see you in Hell!" snapback from Han Solo in ESB. Is there a Hell in the Star Wars universe? Isn't that an Earth concept/religion?
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Hell is a place in Corellian mythology, which is why Han tells someone "I'll see you in Hell!" in ESB. Or at least that was the old EU explanation for that line. The EU extrapolated from there, and Hell was also known as Chaos, which is where Palpatine's spirit was sealed by Empatojayos Brand so that he stayed really-really-dead after he kept popping back up as a clone.

The Netherworld of the Force is canon, as Yoda mentions it in Revenge of the Sith ("An old friend has returned from the Netherworld of the Force...").

Anyway, people should really read the old drafts for all the movies. They contain so many interesting things and unused ideas. I thought about making a thread about it once but just never got around to it. The pre-Episode IV scripts are fairly well known (especially since Dark Horse made "The Star Wars" out of one of them) but nobody ever seems to remember the ESB rough draft, which is really interesting since it's so wildly different from the movie, with things like Anakin's Force ghost showing up and speaking with Luke (since at this point Anakin and Vader were separate characters) about his long-lost sister Nellith (since Leia was not yet Luke's sister), Luke being knighted by the Force ghosts of Anakin and Ben (who somehow have ghost-lightsabers), Yoda being named Minch, Darth Vader having a castle with weird gargoyle pets, Han not getting frozen in carbonite at the end but going off to find his stepfather (I think) who runs something equivalent to the Trade Federation, Cloud City being full of clones, Luke and Vader having a trippy lightsaber battle at the end where they stand within a sea of stars and Force push giant shadows at each other basically, etc.
 
pringles said:
Yeah, no kidding. Lucas overpopulated the prequels with jedi. The Episode 4 stuff makes sense if you think about the universe as it should have been, with Jedi being at their peak maybe a 1000 years earlier, in Knights Of The Old Republic era. Lucas should have only had a smaller group of Jedi in the prequels. It would have made a lot of things make more sense, such as how the Empire was able to rise to power without needing stupid BS like 'order 66'.
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Order 66 is actually the most plausible explanation for how two Sith were able to wipe out every single Jedi in the galaxy. In the novelization, the Clone Wars are positioned as existing for two reasons:

1) To consolidate power in Palpatine's hands
2) To scatter the Jedi throughout the galaxy, embedding them among legions of troops who can be ordered to eliminate them at any time

That the clones simply obey orders without question makes them incredibly effective at eliminating Jedi, because the Jedi can't as effectively probe their thoughts and intentions, since they really don't have any.
 
Oozer3993 said:
I've got some ideas stewing, but I make no promises on whether I'll be able to finish it.



Music only version of the trailer, if you haven't come upon it yet.
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I haven't bought a Star Wars soundtrack since the OT boxed set, but I'm sure as hell buying this one.

This boxed set:
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Oozer3993 said:
I've got some ideas stewing, but I make no promises on whether I'll be able to finish it.



Music only version of the trailer, if you haven't come upon it yet.
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You the real MVP.

sphagnum said:
Hell is a place in Corellian mythology, which is why Han tells someone "I'll see you in Hell!" in ESB. Or at least that was the old EU explanation for that line. The EU extrapolated from there, and Hell was also known as Chaos, which is where Palpatine's spirit was sealed by Empatojayos Brand so that he stayed really-really-dead after he kept popping back up as a clone.

The Netherworld of the Force is canon, as Yoda mentions it in Revenge of the Sith ("An old friend has returned from the Netherworld of the Force...").

Anyway, people should really read the old drafts for all the movies. They contain so many interesting things and unused ideas. I thought about making a thread about it once but just never got around to it. The pre-Episode IV scripts are fairly well known (especially since Dark Horse made "The Star Wars" out of one of them) but nobody ever seems to remember the ESB rough draft, which is really interesting since it's so wildly different from the movie, with things like Anakin's Force ghost showing up and speaking with Luke (since at this point Anakin and Vader were separate characters) about his long-lost sister Nellith (since Leia was not yet Luke's sister), Luke being knighted by the Force ghosts of Anakin and Ben (who somehow have ghost-lightsabers), Yoda being named Minch, Darth Vader having a castle with weird gargoyle pets, Han not getting frozen in carbonite at the end but going off to find his stepfather (I think) who runs something equivalent to the Trade Federation, Cloud City being full of clones, Luke and Vader having a trippy lightsaber battle at the end where they stand within a sea of stars and Force push giant shadows at each other basically, etc.
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Star Wars could run for years just using all the scrapped concepts from before, maybe even decades.
 
Bronx-Man said:
Star Wars could run for years just using all the scrapped concepts from before, maybe even decades.
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Oh definitely, especially with things like the kaiburr crystal or the Sith pirates or Aquilae, etc. I'm actually rather surprised that J.J. is going with a new weapon in the form of Starkiller Base for TFA instead of directly lifting the double Death Stars orbiting Had Abbadon from Revenge of the Sith.
 
Ive been thinking about Kylos line since the trailer "I want to finish what you started"

I have been wracking my brain about what that is and settled yesterday that it was just him misinterpreting something.

However I think it might be turning Luke, I think that might be what he is after, finding Luke and turning him to rule the Galaxy.
 
Mr Cola said:
Ive been thinking about Kylos line since the trailer "I want to finish what you started"

I have been wracking my brain about what that is and settled yesterday that it was just him misinterpreting something.

However I think it might be turning Luke, I think that might be what he is after, finding Luke and turning him to rule the Galaxy.
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Eh...I don't believe that is likely. It is more likely that he wants to crush the Rebels. Probably has a grudge against the rebels for one reason or another. Maybe his parents were killed in a rebel attack or he was saved by Vader at one point and thus wants to destroy those who had a hand in his death.
 
Mr Cola said:
Ive been thinking about Kylos line since the trailer "I want to finish what you started"

I have been wracking my brain about what that is and settled yesterday that it was just him misinterpreting something.

However I think it might be turning Luke, I think that might be what he is after, finding Luke and turning him to rule the Galaxy.
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I get the feeling that the First Order/Knights of Ren martyred Vader and just pushed their own ideals into what they think his "plan" was, aka ruling the galaxy and killing off the jedi forever is the only way to keep peace in the galaxy.
 
Bronx-Man said:
I get the feeling that the First Order/Knights of Ren martyred Vader and just pushed their own ideals into what they think his "plan" was, aka ruling the galaxy and killing off the jedi forever is the only way to keep peace in the galaxy.
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Yes, this is quite likely. Kylo is obviously obsessed with Vader and wants to follow in his footsteps. While the emperor was regarded by the citizenry as a nice old man and a figurehead (the novel Tarkin tells us that it was believed that the Imperial Ruling Council were the ones really running the show), Vader was the enforcer who was famous for crushing dissent and killing Jedi.

Kylo wants to finish the job. Who was it who threw the galaxy back into chaos, instead of the stability of the Empire? The Rebels and the Jedi. He has to kill Luke.
 
Oozer3993 said:
Music only version of the trailer, if you haven't come upon it yet.
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This is actually the best version of it I've heard. A guy took the time to normalize the audio, clean it up a little, and get rid of the dips. There's a single click left in there, and a tiny (almost imperceptible) dip that escaped, but otherwise, this is probably the best version we're going to get unless Disney decides (which would be fucking SMART) to release the audio on iTunes for like 99 cents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7wW3pRXOj8

BrokenFiction said:
This boxed set:
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These are still, pretty easily, the best sounding the Star Wars soundtracks have been since the original LP releases in 77, 80, and 83.

Which is why I'm really curious as to how the re-release of those LP versions plays in January.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
This is actually the best version of it I've heard. A guy took the time to normalize the audio, clean it up a little, and get rid of the dips. There's a single click left in there, and a tiny (almost imperceptible) dip that escaped, but otherwise, this is probably the best version we're going to get unless Disney decides (which would be fucking SMART) to release the audio on iTunes for like 99 cents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7wW3pRXOj8



These are still, pretty easily, the best sounding the Star Wars soundtracks have been since the original LP releases in 77, 80, and 83.

Which is why I'm really curious as to how the re-release of those LP versions plays in January.
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Have we got confirmation Williams wrote this? I know we know he didn't record/conduct it but the style, especially the Kylo Ren section is very Williams sounding to me and not generic trailer music.
 
sunshine and gasoline said:
Eh...I don't believe that is likely. It is more likely that he wants to crush the Rebels. Probably has a grudge against the rebels for one reason or another. Maybe his parents were killed in a rebel attack or he was saved by Vader at one point and thus wants to destroy those who had a hand in his death.
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Bronx-Man said:
I get the feeling that the First Order/Knights of Ren martyred Vader and just pushed their own ideals into what they think his "plan" was, aka ruling the galaxy and killing off the jedi forever is the only way to keep peace in the galaxy.
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Cheebo said:
Have we got confirmation Williams wrote this? I know we know he didn't record/conduct it but the style, especially the Kylo Ren section is very Williams sounding to me and not generic trailer music.
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A separate music company took credit for mixing various tunes (Stuff from the original films) in the trailer.

So alot of the older themes there were not by Williams, some of it might have been but no idea what
 
BobbyRoberts said:
This is actually the best version of it I've heard. A guy took the time to normalize the audio, clean it up a little, and get rid of the dips. There's a single click left in there, and a tiny (almost imperceptible) dip that escaped, but otherwise, this is probably the best version we're going to get unless Disney decides (which would be fucking SMART) to release the audio on iTunes for like 99 cents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7wW3pRXOj8
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Awesome! Thanks for posting that. Saved me from having to clean it up myself when I got off work.
 
Definitley makes sense that Kylo would want to kill Luke. I like the idea of this movie being a race to find him first. Luke is the point at which all these threads converge.
 
Ali Arikan wrote an article on Salon about the music, and it got shared enough that the guy at a trailer house hired to come up with the back half of the trailer (1:20 on) admitted that he was simply remixing existing Williams music.

That doesn't account for the music that leads into Han & the Princess, however, as well as that version of Han & the Princess. I think it's possible that, even if it's not Williams' himself conducting that performance, it's possible the composition itself IS from the new movie.

I've heard people saying it sounds Zimmer-y. (one of the RebelForce Radio guys practically popped a blood vessel shitting his pants over it, actually) but it really sounds, to me, like this is a decent insight into what it might sound like if Giacchino gets his hands on a Star Wars score in the future.

(of course, the way the drums keep coming in, just makes me want Bear McCreary to take a run at it all the more)
 
Can you imagine if we got a flashback to the end of ROJ?

Good lord
 
BobbyRoberts said:
Ali Arikan wrote an article on Salon about the music, and it got shared enough that the guy at a trailer house hired to come up with the back half of the trailer (1:20 on) admitted that he was simply remixing existing Williams music.

That doesn't account for the music that leads into Han & the Princess, however, as well as that version of Han & the Princess. I think it's possible that, even if it's not Williams' himself conducting that performance, it's possible the composition itself IS from the new movie.

I've heard people saying it sounds Zimmer-y. (one of the RebelForce Radio guys practically popped a blood vessel shitting his pants over it, actually) but it really sounds, to me, like this is a decent insight into what it might sound like if Giacchino gets his hands on a Star Wars score in the future.

(of course, the way the drums keep coming in, just makes me want Bear McCreary to take a run at it all the more)
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That first bit is barely a melody, and Williams is such a melodic composer. Could be a new theme at a slower tempo, I don't know. That seems like a weird way to debut new music. I listened to that episode of RFR and I can't say I really disagree with Jimmy, even if he took it a little (way) too far. That dinky piano shit is really played out.
 
Schweinehund said:
I agree, the trailer is underwhelming in telling me what the film is about, but at the same time I've already been sold so I don't want to know too much about the film. I can easily see non star wars fans seeing absolutely nothing in the trailer because it's devoid of any sort of plot.
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I disagree that the trailer is devoid of plot. This is what I've gleaned from the trailer:

Rey: she lives on a sand planet, and seems to want to not be there, very Luke esque. Probably hates Tosche Station. Something sets her off on a journey of discovery. That's a plot point.

Finn: used to be a Stormtrooper, he arrives on a sand planet. He obviously meets Rey, as we see them together, and they join together on their journey. He seems to be lost, and looking for himself. He is directionless, leading to external conflict. That's another plot point.

Kylo: seems adamant on continuing on some kind of "legacy" he feels Vader left behind. He looks to be the antagonist of this, and unlike Rey and Finn, his plans are far grander (they want self discovery and meaning in their lives, he wants something that has galactic repercussions). That's another plot point.

General: the Jedi and the Force seem to be the stuff of legend. Rey and Finn appear skeptical of the tales of heroics from before they were born, whereas Han is now a convert, acknowledging that the Jedi and Dark Side are real. The Force seems to be actively drawing these characters together that will naturally cause a conflict between Kylo Ren, anyone he's allied with, and heroes like Han, Leia, Chewie, and new guy Poe, who is a Rebel Pilot. That's more plot.

All of that can be gleaned from the new trailer, without having to k i.e. Any of the history and story of Star Wars. All of what I posted above is contained in this single trailer, either implied through visual cues, or outright spoken in dialogue.

The fact that people claim a restrained trailer like this is lacking in information and plot points, are the reason why filmmakers beat us over the head with plot points in modern trailers and films. It's like some folks want an "In A World...where the Jedi are a myth, three heroes will rise, to defeat the forces of darkness...Star Wars!" It's just not necessary to be handheld through a film's premise. This ain't 12 Monkeys, it's Star Wars.
 
TheXbox said:
That first bit is barely a melody, and Williams is such a melodic composer.
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But a melody starts to move in there as the strings come up. There's not a lot of time really to get into what could go over the top of that progression before we smash into Han & the Princess.

Could simply be a chord progression a trailer music guy came up with simply because it'll build nicely to the pre-existing music. Could be new music that had to be broken down for trailer purposes.

So far as the single piano thing goes - I think criticism of it can be on point, but this shit is as overblown as the fuckin "LENS FLARE" trash. I mean, yeah, it's a thing that people are using single piano notes as emotional percussion. But it's sure as hell not new, and it's not used as much as people say it is. The fact it continues to build, solidly, should slow some of the complaining up, because it's not just being used as a gimmick - those notes are going somewhere. And the introduction of Han & the Princess doesn't hit NEARLY as hard without those notes slowly building the way they do. And you don't get that build if you don't start small.

It's solid composition. Formulaic? Sure. But it's hard to deny it didn't fuckin' WORK.
 
Figboy79 said:
Finn: used to be a Stormtrooper, he arrives on a sand planet. He obviously meets Rey, as we see them together, and they join together on their journey. He seems to be lost, and looking for himself. He is directionless, leading to external conflict. That's another plot point.
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Sounds thematically similar to how Luke wanted something more from his life on Tatooine in Star Wars.
 
I've got a feeling the setup and motivations are gonna be a lot less interesting than everyone's trying to find Luke SkyMcGuffin. Like, it's just gonna be "oh fragments of the empire forces remained, they decided to reform as a dark side worshipping paramilitary force and build a successor to the death star because reasons, oh they don't know Vader wasnt martyred either, then a storm trooper gets abandoned and decides 'ah I better find a ship lol', meets some cute scrap engineer who knows this pilot, turns out the pilot's wife can tell something bad's going down with the force, girl asks the pilot 'no shit', pilot says 'no shit. hey man you want a ride home? Thing is, those are actually the bad guys. Fuck that, we're gonna go see my brother in law, he owns a junkyard in Detroit. Lemme stop and pick up my 8' tall dog from the groomers right quick'"
 
Fine Ham Abounds said:
I've got a feeling the setup and motivations are gonna be a lot less interesting than everyone's trying to find Luke SkyMcGuffin. Like, it's just gonna be "oh fragments of the empire forces remained, they decided to reform as a dark side worshipping paramilitary force and build a successor to the death star because reasons, oh they don't know Vader wasnt martyred either, then a storm trooper gets abandoned and decides 'ah I better find a ship lol', meets some cute scrap engineer who knows this pilot, turns out the pilot's wife can tell something bad's going down with the force, girl asks the pilot 'no shit', pilot says 'no shit. hey man you want a ride home? Thing is, those are actually the bad guys. Fuck that, we're gonna go see my brother in law, he owns a junkyard in Detroit. Lemme stop and pick up my 8' tall dog from the groomers right quick'"
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It'll be kind of a bummer if Luke is just a throw-away cameo at the end. I don't care if he's in this movie for half an hour or half a minute, he should still be signifcant, either as a character or a plot-device. Anything less would be lame.
 
Luke, who is the mother?

There was no mother, I carried him, gave birth, I cant explain it
 
ViewtifulJC said:
Funny how none of that neatherworld/soul stuff made it into the movie. I remember as a kid pondering about that "Then I'll see you in Hell!" snapback from Han Solo in ESB. Is there a Hell in the Star Wars universe? Isn't that an Earth concept/religion?
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Come to think of it, he said it in English too, which is undeniably from Earth.

And Han Solo even looks a lot like an Earthling, which is somewhat unique to Earth.
 
jonezer4 said:
Come to think of it, he said it in English too, which is undeniably from Earth.

And Han Solo even looks a lot like an Earthling, which is somewhat unique to Earth.
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I'd imagine it's more likely that there are creatures somewhere else in the universe that look exactly like humans than that they'd speak English

Yes, I'm aware of the point of your post
 
Fast and the furious 7 theatrical trailer got 100 million views in its first 48hours, this one latest is on 29 million currently on youtube,wonder if theres a lot of non football fans out there who dont know it exists yet, or a just skipping the trailer, or have lost interest already
 
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