If you dont like star wars thats fine, the best reference material for this will obviously be the Original trilogy and if you dont like that im not sure what to tell you
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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer
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If you dont like star wars thats fine, the best reference material for this will obviously be the Original trilogy and if you dont like that im not sure what to tell you
Bobby Roberts
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Probably not.
I don't think there's going to be anything in the expanded universe that's going to align with DS9 & BSG, and even if there was, there's really nothing in the films that lines up with those books, tonally. I'd basically be recommending you read old, mostly not-good books that have no connection to whatever you'd be watching in December.
Star Wars just isn't that kind of shit. It's not a "space drama" so holding it to that standard is probably why it's failing out.
I mean, if you wanna give it a shot, this film's probably your best hop-on point. You don't have to have any real understanding of Star Wars beside the basic knowledge of the series that most people have through cultural osmosis.
I like those two things you mentioned very much, and I also like Star Wars. You shouldn't think of Star Wars as being like Star Trek or BSG. It's fantasy. Pure fantasy, pure myth. Watch TESB, and if you don't like it then Star Wars probably isn't for you.
peanutbutterlatte
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Maybe he's desperate to be like the Sith but just isn't Force sensitive. So that's some sort of technology.
Maybe they will pull something off like they did with Admiral Piett on Hux lather trough the new Trilogy.
It doesnt need Kylo, there is a whole group of Knights of Ren.
I also suspect more, that General Hux is the new big villain:
My guess is that Hux is the Tarkin of this movie.
I also get the feeling that Phasma will not be much of a character (at least in this movie) and probably more of a Boba Fett-type.
WadiumArcadium
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I hope Hux hangs around for a bit. Domhnall Gleeson's great. I wouldn't be surprised if he is this film's Tarkin though. Hopefully he leaves an impression.
Your mistake is comparing it to sci-fi. Star Wars is not sci-fi really at all. It's a fantasy. With wizards, evil sorcerers, knights, magic, and so on. It just happens to be in space. If you are trying to view it in the same prism as sci-fi...then you aren't viewing it as intended.
I mean look at this ROTJ concept art. Pure fantasy. Not sci-fi:
Star Wars has more in common with something like Never Ending Story than those series, so if you can't appreciate on that level I doubt you'll like it much. Just watch the OT and don't expect it to be any like those series.
MagnaderAlpha
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Yeah, Star Wars is a space fantasy that takes concepts of medieval fantasy(knights, mysticism) and filters them through a sci-fi lens. It HEAVILY inspired fantasy in the 80s(where you saw more sci-fi elements being applied to traditional templated "fantasy worlds") as well as fantasy to follow(especial Japanese fantasy and games, like Phantasy Star, Star Ocean and such). It's also got that "it took place a LONG time ago" thing. It's really a contrast to things like Star Trek, which is just "Futuristic Science Fiction", where Star Wars is "Science Fiction Fantasy" that happened "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away".Your mistake is comparing it to sci-fi. Star Wars is not sci-fi really at all. It's a fantasy. With wizards, evil sorcerers, knights, magic, and so on. It just happens to be in space. If you are trying to view it in the same prism as sci-fi...then you aren't viewing it as intended.
I mean look at this ROTJ concept art. Pure fantasy. Not sci-fi:
PdotMichael
Banned
Though the original Star Trek was pretty much Flash Gordon with a Americans discover the space fundament. There were more than enough episodes in Star Trek with plain magic as part of the story.
Well, see, that's the interesting part. We never see him use ANY force power in the trailer. The way this is cut or edited could clearly be misleading.
I'll go with zealot and disillusion.
But I'll be glad to be wrong, but it'd be also super cool to have him be a super poser.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It absolutely is. It's not even really a question.
DoctorFling
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I agree, except for him being a cyborg-spider at the start, I found that incredibly dumb.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, even Variety's picked it up this morning.
That shot of him spinning around with his hand outstretched: what happens in the rest of the scene if he's just faking? How does that play out? Does the object and/or character he's gesturing at just... ignore him? Shrug their shoulders?
I don't know if I buy the idea that the camera pushes in on him and his hand like it does, only for nothing to happen in the following cut to whatever he's gesturing at.
Not to mention his hand gesturing over Poe...
brandonh83
Banned
A pretty good fan poster if anyone's interested, there's things I don't love about it (still a bit too busy and they got the dialogue wrong at the top) but still very nice work. I would just post the image but I couldn't get a link.
brandonh83
Banned
I think it's close. I don't like the things I mentioned, and Finn/Poe look off with weird outlines... nothing deal-breaking, but both are very good. Not sure which one I actually prefer though. I love the top half a great deal with the way Kylo's mask is detailed and angled.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I laughed at Renn in the background. The head tilt is like dude is doing a sinister laugh in his room alone. "MWAHAHAHAHA"
Messypandas
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ViewtifulJC
Banned
looks hella fan poster
brandonh83
Banned
Well it is. But it's not really any worse than the official one IMO.
Sectorseven
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Maybe his suit has gadgets built in to mimic the force, or maybe he's like Rasputin and has some pseudoscience mysticism to fool the weakminded stormtroopers in regards to his power.
WadiumArcadium
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I prefer the official one but it's still pretty cool. They should have used that image of Poe instead of the one with a helmet.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Nah, that poster is worse than the original.
Like, magnets or something? A localized tractor beam under his robe? I mean, I guess that's possible, but it seems like a lot of effort for no real payoff as opposed to just having your bad guy with a Vader fetish and a lightsaber able to use the Force somewhat.
The film's title says it's Awakening, after all.
Like, magnets or something? A localized tractor beam under his robe? I mean, I guess that's possible, but it seems like a lot of effort for no real payoff as opposed to just having your bad guy with a Vader fetish and a lightsaber able to use the Force somewhat.
The film's title says it's Awakening, after all.
CrunchyFrog
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more cheesy than BSG or Star Trek does not compute.
brandonh83
Banned
I'm 50/50 on it, this one not having the weird smiling Leia is definitely a plus and it's a little less busy, but it's one of the better fan artworks I've seen.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I don't whats worse, the orange glow they gave everybody, or the weird floating globes around Han that make him look a cartoon drunk.
or the random X-wings flying over giant Ren head
or the distracting lasers crossing everywhere and stopping abruptly in random places
or lil Rey speeder flying through space
lol shit is trash
or the random X-wings flying over giant Ren head
or the distracting lasers crossing everywhere and stopping abruptly in random places
or lil Rey speeder flying through space
lol shit is trash
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Of course it does. It's weird to me to suggest Star Wars isn't more corny/cheesy than super-serious space dramas like that. It's built in. It's part of the charm. It's supposed to be.
DS9/BSG's cheesy moments are more noticeable when set off against their real strengths, so maybe it stands out more, but there's no way either of those two shows is as corny as Star Wars is.
It's like Picasso's foosball table.
There are elements I like in that fan poster, but some choices bring it down.
-Kylo's head at a weird upward tilt, as if he's reading the tagline.
-Poor lighting, composition, and outlining in a couple places (the fighters look like they're popping out, but their lasers are firing behind people's heads, etc.)
Or maybe it's exactly what it appears to be: Kylo using the force.
-Kylo's head at a weird upward tilt, as if he's reading the tagline.
-Poor lighting, composition, and outlining in a couple places (the fighters look like they're popping out, but their lasers are firing behind people's heads, etc.)
Or maybe it's exactly what it appears to be: Kylo using the force.
Dreams-Visions
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this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIRoASL90EI
I can't say I liked it. The rhythm and pacing established by the musical scoring is lost. The scenes fit together nicely but that's about it.
brandonh83
Banned
I can apply most of these criticisms to the official ones, or similarly anyway.
It's not horrible, but it's not any better. Way too busy. Why is Ren tilted? Why is his lightsaber just floating in space with no handle? Why is the laser shot from that tie fighter going through Rey? Do all three tie fighters need to be firing at the same time?
Messypandas
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Keeping it constructive, I don't think there's a piece of art for this movie I've really enjoyed - fan art or legit. Will Mondo be dropping some bombs soon?
hooijdonk17
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The only thing that the prequels had going for them was an actually interesting and menacing villain design in Darth Maul, which they completely wasted in the first movie, and good saber fighting choreography, which only features in the first movie and devolves into bullshit in the others.
I hold with those who think the TPM duel was the best of all six. Maul was a great villain, the duel was incredibly well done.
I hold with those who think the TPM duel was the best of all six. Maul was a great villain, the duel was incredibly well done.
brandonh83
Banned
Yeah I get "too busy" out of the official one as well, this still looks mostly nice to me. As far as the saber" floating in space" it's not really a criticism I have because it's not floating in space, that's like wondering why all the characters in the poster are floating in space. It's just the background for the poster.
Sectorseven
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But if he has the force then it's already awake.
Grover Cleveland
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ViewtifulJC
Banned
"MWAHAHAHA finally my Darth Vader cosplay is complete! Now to slip mom's credit card back in her purse without her noticing."
bananafactory
Banned
Why are there 2 of Poe's X-Wings in the poster? I thought his was the only black one
Many Bothans.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Rule of one even applies to X-Wings.
Question for yall how much pandering are you guys expecting for this one? Like little nudges here and there and winks are cool but Im honestly hoping it's not a 2 hour long "Remember when Star Wars was Star Wars that shit was FIRE wasn't it....oh yea new characters tho"
I feel like JJ will balance it out well but Im just thinking of it from the way it's being marketed...but then again it could just be marketing
I feel like JJ will balance it out well but Im just thinking of it from the way it's being marketed...but then again it could just be marketing
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Leia's not actually crying in the trailer. She's just got her eyes closed.
"pandering" and "fanservice" are basically coded terms for "I recognized a thing and therefore it's automatically stupid" anymore.
I'm not expecting any "pandering." I'm expecting some winks & nods, yeah. And references to stuff in the previous movies. But it's a sequel, so it's not like that sorta shit is unwelcome. That's part of why you're in the building: If you weren't looking for extensions and repurposings of familiar elements, you wouldn't be watching that sequel in the first place.
brandonh83
Banned
The whole thing. Just wait until John Williams uses the same fucking theme in the intro again.
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