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[Confidence Man]

Max von Sydow tho

Where the fuck is he

In the trailer? I don't think it's Luke in the scene with R2.

 

[Junior Asparagus]

I like Driver, but I still don't know about him (specifically his voice) in Star Wars. I know he speaks in the trailer, but I still don't know if I like it. His voice and mannerisms just seem...I don't know...contemporary to here and now, to me. Hope it turns out ok.

 

[Blader]

In the trailer? I don't think it's Luke in the scene with R2.

The "the Force is strong in my family" juxtapositions in the last trailer imply that that's Luke.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

The "the Force is strong in my family" juxtapositions in the last trailer imply that that's Luke.

that and the metal hand

 

[Dennis]

Just for the visuals alone this is going to be such a gigantic step up from the Prequels.

They are perhaps the most lifeless and anaemic movies I have ever seen.

 

[Mighty Chin]

I don't know I'll take whatever that is over Natalie's crying in Episode III. God.

Better than Anakin crying in Attack of the Clones.

 

[bonesmccoy]

Complaining about Abrams... A 'bad' Abrams movie is still going to be superior to pretty much anything we've seen in Star Wars since 1980.

 

[kurahador]

I don't know I'll take whatever that is over Natalie's crying in Episode III. God.

You're breaking my heart ;_;

 

[Dead Man]

Complaining about Abrams... A 'bad' Abrams movie is still going to be superior to pretty much anything we've seen in Star Wars since 1980.

You did not just say that about Jedi! Damn, I thought we were all friends here

 

[inm8num2]

Just for the visuals alone this is going to be such a gigantic step up from the Prequels.

They are perhaps the most lifeless and anaemic movies I have ever seen.

.

 

[raphier]

tbh, The prequels were one of the first movies in history to use blue screen method, if not pioneered the art of layers. TFA will obviously use blue screen scenes too, with less obvious and better tech with 10+ years of expertise behind it.

 

[rekameohs]

Complaining about Abrams... A 'bad' Abrams movie is still going to be superior to pretty much anything we've seen in Star Wars since 1980.

Yep, exactly

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Albert Burneko of the Concourse with an article entitled "What if the new Star Wars sucks, too."

The premise: Only two of the Star Wars movies are actually good, and people should stop thinking of the prequels as an anomaly, and realize that the anomaly was that Star Wars and Empire are as good as they are.

...With that in mind, let’s return to the scene from Return of the Jedi, in which a completely unafraid Luke Skywalker kicks skin-crawling televangelist game—I feel the conflict within you! Let go of your hate! Don’t you have somethin’ you wanna say to Jesus? Somethin’ you wanna ask Him for?—at the giant evil cyborg who chopped his hand off the last time they were in each others’ presence. Who is this soggy piece of shit wearing Darth fucking Vader’s clothes? Who is this whiny, slumping sad-sack, mewling about how he must obey his master?

This is neither the absolute cruelty nor the equally frightening true-believer zeal of the Darth Vader we knew. This is the angsty, vapid, self-pitying emo shit-for-brains we’d later come to know in the prequels—the pathetic, un-frightening goomba henchman who for all intents and purposes gets pranked into becoming a villain in the first place. This is not the bad motherfucker who gleefully slices his own kid’s extremities off and then owns him all the way to attempted suicide; whose flair for cruel showmanship led to the memorable scene of him having Han and Leia delivered to him at a dinner table. This is a defeated, excuse-making heap of garbage.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

yeah I can't handle that guy's writing style

and I stubbornly refuse to entertain the thesis

 

[Mighty Chin]

Why no love for Return? I saw that at least 50 times in the theatre.

 

[Lifejumper]

Why no love for Return? I saw that at least 50 times in the theatre.

Ewoks. I liked return tho.

 

[Laieon]

Ewoks. I liked return tho.

Ewoks are legitimately my favorite thing in Star Wars. They're badass little dudes.

Also, not sure if this has been posted yet, but I thought this video of John Boyega reacting to seeing himself in the trailer was nice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DajJXToUKrs

 

[BrokenFiction]

I always felt emo-Vader was absolutely consistent with his character development. Luke has gotten into his head and the conflict was bringing Anakin back to the surface. I'm not on board with that guys idea at all.

 

[Kieli]

These trailers are all fairly homogeneous in that they go through the same beats. Too manufactured-by-committee for my liking. :|

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I will say I never fully bought into "there's good in you, father!" conflicting emotions shit. Cuz the last two movies he was pretty much 100% Evil Space Nazi Gestapo who chokes out his own boyz and shit. Luke must've saw something I didn't, but John Williams' does the heavy lifting on the redemption so you WANT to buy into it.

 

[Switch Back 9]

I love RotJ purely because of the speeder bikes. Those things were fucking badass and I fantasized about owning one for years. All the stuff at Jabba's place was dope as well.

I'm on board with the Ewok hate though. That shit was fucking lame and clearly, judging by what the prequels turned out to be, some aimed-at-children marketing garbage from Lucas.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

People who don't like RotJ don't deserve to have an opinion.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

I will say I never fully bought into "there's good in you, father!" conflicting emotions shit. Cuz the last two movies he was pretty much 100% Evil Space Nazi Gestapo who chokes out his own boyz and shit. Luke must've saw something I didn't, but John Williams' does the heavy lifting on the redemption so you WANT to buy into it.

Not to mention those lines, the delivery, and overall scene are not very good. Just like the scene where Luke tells Leia Vader is their father. Kind of hard to watch. ROTJ had some really low points.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Why no love for Return? I saw that at least 50 times in the theatre.

50 times? Holy shitsnacks.

 

[half a moon]

It's leagues better than the prequels either way

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

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That looks like a freaking late PS3 game (sans the IQ)

 

[BrokenFiction]

The problems with ROTJ were in the direction (ironically) - damn Stormtroopers can't shoot for shit and there needed to be 10x more Ewoks. It absolutely believable that a native population could win, but they needed more numbers on screen to really make it work.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

"Ok, I had an idea to resolve the Luke/Han/Leia long triangle. What if...Leia is Luke's sister!?"

"I'd say that would be an unbelievably cheap and retroactively creepy cop-out"

"Ok but I mean...what if we did it anyway?"

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Isn't the way that Luke learns Leia is his sister kind of lame too?

Here, let me take a sit.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

. Just like the scene where Luke tells Leia Vader is their father. Kind of hard to watch. ROTJ had some really low points.

Until the fireplace scene in Episode II, that scene was THE WORST scene in the entire saga. It's easily the worst of the OT.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Isn't the way that Luke learns Leia is his sister kind of lame too?

Yoda had two purposes in that movie, to confirm Vader was totally Luke's dad and oh btw there's another Skywalker *dies*

Its almost worth it though to hear James Earl Jones say "...Sssister. So...you have a twin sssister."

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Until the fireplace scene in Episode II, that scene was THE WORST scene in the entire saga. It's easily the worst of the OT.

It's amazing they turned it into a kind of cool line for the second teaser.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Hamill is doing a lot of that film's heavy lifting. Like, a LOT of it. Selling lines that absolutely have no business being sold.

It's leagues better than the prequels either way

Nah, Revenge of the Sith is a better movie than Return of the Jedi.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Nah, Revenge of the Sith is a better movie than Return of the Jedi.

I'll fight you.

 

[Spiritreaver]

I love RotJ purely because of the speeder bikes. Those things were fucking badass and I fantasized about owning one for years. All the stuff at Jabba's place was dope as well.

I'm on board with the Ewok hate though. That shit was fucking lame and clearly, judging by what the prequels turned out to be, some aimed-at-children marketing garbage from Lucas.

Where is the love for the masterpiece that is the Battle of Endor space battle? There is nothing else like it in either trilogy. I can understand not liking the ground assault though.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I'll fight you.

You'll lose.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Hamill is doing a lot of that film's heavy lifting. Like, a LOT of it. Selling lines that absolutely have no business being sold.

Mark Hamil is the 2nd greatest benefit to the OT's success after John Williams. Unlike Ford/Fisher who seem to kinda taking the piss out of the all the wacky lines they have to say, Hamil 100% believes in every single line of dialog. He is so earnest, so into it, that you buy into it, too. Like its not even all that crazy that Empire spends a large amount of time with a puppet Jedi master, cuz Mark Hamil never ever ever treats it like a joke.

All that "there's good in your father" stuff in ROTJ, on one level I don't want to believe it, but Mark delivers it with such conviction and honesty that it must be true.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

ROTJ does have very low moments, but its highs are way higher than anything in ROTS.

 

[PBalfredo]

ROTJ nails the redemption of Vader just as hard as ROTS completely flubs the fall of Anakin.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

ROTJ does have very low moments, but its highs are way higher than anything in ROTS.

Yeah, I can't argue that. But those highs are almost all at the end, and the amount of shit you have to work through just to get there is pretty much not worth it. Revenge of the Sith's highs never get that high (although there's moments that Jedi doesn't try to pull off, either) but it's lows never dip as low as Jedi's worst shit. It's a better movie overall, but Jedi has better moments in it. Not enough of them to make up for all the negatives, though.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

and I do believe ROTJ has the best sequence in the series with all that Luke/Vader/Palpatine confrontation. You wanna talk about "space opera", that's it.

 

[Switch Back 9]

Where is the love for the masterpiece that is the Battle of Endor space battle? There is nothing else like it in either trilogy. I can understand not liking the ground assault though.

I didn't word that as well as I could have.

I really enjoy RotJ, but even with its flaws I would still love it because of how awesome speeder bikes are. There's lots of other great stuff in it as well, the only thing I really don't like is the Ewok/ground battle stuff. Everything else is just straight up Star Wars goodness.

 

[BuggyDClown]

then that leaves a void on who ridley plays. It's a good idea, but I think Rey is the Skywalker, more than obviously. She already shows some skill with two-handed weapon.

Right because there cant be more than one skywalker. Rey couldnt be the cousin or daughter or ren.. In fact that is also the obvious and likely possibility.

The previous saga was about vaders redemption through the conflict with his son.

This one can be a rivalry between siblings or cousins. Especially since luke wont likely have a large or major role in this one, and I dont see him being the main protagonist against kylo.

Odds are kylo and rey are related. With that thinking in mind and their age gap, one would assume kylo is hans with solo being older and having an establish relationship with leia, it also makes his role in this film and their presence more important.

Rey would also make the most sense as lukes kid. Due to age and his lack of a companion at the end of jedi as well as the very heavy handed parallels to her situation on a desert planet and his own growing up on tantooine.

Why would Luke have it? He burned the body/suit. He could've just as easily left it there on the pyre and Ren (or whoever else) could've come along later and taken it.

I dont think luke burned the body/suit. Also why would he not take it, he botherd to take vader off the deathstar. Why would he burn his father in effigy. That was more of the rebels call, he had enough sentimentalilty towards vader to haul his heavy metal ass off the deathstar to the moon of endor, why not at least keep something to remember him by.

 

[bonesmccoy]

Only 2 'good' films?!?!?!@?!?!?!?!11112!!!

RotJ has some really good bits, so does RotS. ANH works as a standalone adventure movie just fine. ESB of course is a lovely movie.

And I've always appreciated Kenobi's Kamino Kaper in AotC, though it's like the one thing in that movie that isn't painful to watch.

Re Darth's Redemption: Pretty sure Vader stops force choking the galaxy's best and brightest after confronts Luke in Bespin. One of those little bits of deft character development that the PT made us all forget even happened.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I dont think luke burned the body/suit.

I think Vader's "redemption" (it's not much of one, it's more of a realization that he fucked up bad, and he commits suicide by cop trying to make some sort of amends) is a problem because after the fact, everyone sort of got the idea that Return of the Jedi was as much about Vader as it was Luke. And it wasn't. That's not Vader's redemption, it's Luke's victory. But nobody thinks of it that way, and when Lucas sat down to write the prequels, he didn't think of it that way, either. And I think that absolutely colored how he wrote the following stories.

Return of the Jedi is Luke's movie, and Luke's victory. Not Vader's. And giving Vader the credit (over Luke) was one of the ways that movie muddied itself up, and it's definitely a big part of why the Prequels were as confused as they were on a storytelling level.

 

[raphier]

Right because there cant be more than one skywalker. Rey couldnt be the cousin or daughter or ren.. In fact that is also the obvious and likely possibility.

The previous saga was about vaders redemption through the conflict with his son.

This one can be a rivalry between siblings or cousins. Especially since luke wont likely have a large or major role in this one, and I dont see him being the main protagonist against kylo.

Odds are kylo and rey are related. With that thinking in mind and their age gap, one would assume kylo is hans with solo being older and having an establish relationship with leia, it also makes his role in this film and their presence more important.

Rey would also make the most sense as lukes kid. Due to age and his lack of a companion at the end of jedi as well as the very heavy handed parallels to her situation on a desert planet and his own growing up on tantooine..

There can't be more than one Jedi. I always pictured Luke as Hermit.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Isn't that also like one of the best uses/versions of that theme?

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Yeah, I can't argue that. But those highs are almost all at the end, and the amount of shit you have to work through just to get there is pretty much not worth it. Revenge of the Sith's highs never get that high (although there's moments that Jedi doesn't try to pull off, either) but it's lows never dip as low as Jedi's worst shit. It's a better movie overall, but Jedi has better moments in it. Not enough of them to make up for all the negatives, though.

Besides the battle between Luke and Vader, the whole scene at Jabas palace is the best. Its long too. The rancor pit, the pit of sarlacc.. Whachu talkin bout Bobby?

 

[half a moon]

Why would you burn the mask if you wanted to keep it?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

The Jabba scene is like 25 mins longer than it had any right to be. Its like if the James Bond opening went on for 40 minutes before the credits showed up and the actual plot of the movie started.