I would be ecstatic if Episode 1 were the worst movie I had ever seen.
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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer
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CreepingFear
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If anything, you should be as hyped as ever. JJ is doing the complete opposite of the prequels, it seems. Dr. CreepingFear recommends a heavy dose of the Despecialized Original Trilogy and an opening night screening of Episode 7. You'll be cured the next morning. Trust me.
LookAtMeGo
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I think its safe to say that there is no possible way that TFA could be anywhere near even being considered remotely as bad as this movie.. Its been a while since I watched AotC and this reminded me why.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Because it's made by the same people? smh. Infantile.
Don't let it.
Ep. 1 is by far the worst Star Wars movie ever made. Not a fucking thing redeemable about it. Just forget about it and move on.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
Not true though.
Senator Palpatine(in disguise as Sidious) manipulates the Trade Federation who hires Jango Fett who hires Zam Wesell who uses centipedes to attempt to assassinate Padme.
I don't understand where this plan went wrong.
You know it's a problem when you realize 90% of the SFX can be rendered on an early PS3.
These are the sorts of comments I hope we don't end up regretting.
Episode 2 is worse.
Star Wars the Clone Wars (the movie) is worse.
The Ewok movies are worse if they count.
Commentary on government bureaucracy and outsourcing. It's poetry.
brandonh83
Banned
I think 1 and 2 are about on the same level personally as the two worst.
LookAtMeGo
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Like I know that a trailer isn't really representative of the overall quality of a movie but there was more emotion and quality framework in that latest 2 minute trailer than the entire PT combined.
CreepingFear
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Jar Jar and Jake Lloyd make Episode 1 worse than Episode 2 for me. The complaints about Episode 2 are valid, but the love story and Hayden are not as bad to me as Jar Jar and Jake Lloyd. I will say this, Episode 2 might be the most forgettable Star Wars film. Episode 1 is at least memorable for being so bad.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, II is worse than I
And saying "I saw Episode I and ugh I have no faith in Force Awakens" makes about as much sense as saying "I saw View to a Kill and now I'm pretty sure Spectre is going to be a diaperload"
I mean, sure, Spectre might disappoint anyway, but I don't think View to a Kill's gonna have anything to do with it. Force Awakens might not land, but if it doesn't, it won't be due to Phantom Menace sucking.
And saying "I saw Episode I and ugh I have no faith in Force Awakens" makes about as much sense as saying "I saw View to a Kill and now I'm pretty sure Spectre is going to be a diaperload"
I mean, sure, Spectre might disappoint anyway, but I don't think View to a Kill's gonna have anything to do with it. Force Awakens might not land, but if it doesn't, it won't be due to Phantom Menace sucking.
brandonh83
Banned
I dunno yeah the writing and acting is shit but I like the story, settings, action and music way better in 2, and honestly when it comes to SW that's mostly what I judge lol. I thought the mystery atmosphere was pretty cool and different. And I genuinely love everything as soon as they land on Tatooine up until the Geonosis battle. So I'd put 2 above 1, but... it's close.
- unintelligible, borderline racist, stereotypical minority accents on many of the aliens
- a really bad child actor
- one of the worst characters ever put on film - Jar Jar Binks,
- stepping in shit jokes, fart jokes, slapstick bullshit
- a throwaway villain that got maybe 4 lines the whole movie
- stoner Yoda
- a story that is a convoluted mess and nothing at all happens in this film that even matters to the overall story arc of the prequel trilogy. The movie is a complete throwaway in terms of being a necessary part of the narrative.
CreepingFear
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You don't have an Empire Strikes Back without a Star Wars. Star Wars could stand alone while Empire Strikes Back relies on Star Wars and Return of the Jedi. Godfather is better than Godfather 2 and Star Wars is better than Empire Strikes Back. Both had great first sequels though. My rankings. 1. Star Wars. 2. Empire Strikes Back 3. Return of the Jedi 4. Revenge of the Sith 5. Attack of the Clones 6. The Phantom Menace.
brandonh83
Banned
Still don't get what's so bad about that. It's true, and Obi-Wan was trying to talk Anakin down from it as he knew what would happen. I've had people explain to me why it's the worst thing ever and I still don't get it. He... had the high ground, Anakin was surrounded by lava, and if he were to make the jump Obi-Wan could easily intercept it. And so he did.
Even if there's something wrong with it, it's one of the least offensive lines.
It really shows that they were compressing what could have been 4 movies worth of story into 1. Luke turning Vader should have happened over a long story arc.
That was another problem arising from compressing the story. I believe the original plan was that the "another" Yoda mentioned would be a new character as Luke's sister, not Leia.
Discotheque
Banned
Episode 1 is easily the best of the prequels tbh. It drags the least, has darth maul and qui gon and that great podracing scene. you can say jar jar and anakin are big cons but not nearly as bad as what happens when the kid grows up and finds out about women.
the soundtrack stays strong throughout so I can't really list that as a pro for any particular movie.
the soundtrack stays strong throughout so I can't really list that as a pro for any particular movie.
bonesmccoy
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Bobby Roberts
Banned
That doesn't automatically make Star Wars a better movie though. And it isn't. Yeah, you need Star Wars to get Empire. But Empire is better made all the way around. That's not a knock on Star Wars at all - that movie is crazy fun. But Empire is crazy fun, AND it's prettier, AND it sounds better, AND it moves faster, AND it means more.
brandonh83
Banned
It absolutely does not drag the least. 1 comes to an absolute screeching halt when they're on Coruscant. 3 is paced super well and there's something always happening. I can see saying 1 is better than 2, but it's by no means better than 3.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
It's also the prequel that feels the least claustrophobic. Not as much treadmill walking.
Blackstarhat
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i have a soft spot for episode 2 because i have the same name as dooku.
Oh GODD, this is so fucking bad. It's daytime cartoon bad. I recently watched the Phantom Menace with my girlfriend about a week or so ago, hadn't watched it since I was a kid. The scene in the beginning where Obi Wan and Anakin force-speed run away from the robot troopers had me in absolute fucking stitches laughing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUbXyd-fK8Q
skip to 2:45 to see it. We stopped watching soon after that scene. Absolutely terrible.
All of this right here!!
It killed my hype. Didn't say 7 is going to be terrible. It's just going to take a while to erase this take on star wars out of my mind.
It least people can jerk off to Portman in 2. That's all it really has going for it lol
brandonh83
Banned
I actually thought Yoda vs. Palpatine was pretty awesome. The way the pods rose up into the chamber with the music and how Lucas intercut it with the Mustafar fight... I dunno I thought it was damn well done.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This isn't necessarily a bad thing, anyway. Hype is only good it small amounts. Let that shit blow up and you're essentially inviting disappointment and cynicism over to get drunk and pass out on your couch.
well then
Scrooge McDuck
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Losing faith and losing hype is kinda different, though. One needs to have a measure of logic and justifications while the other is completely based on feelings and momentum of excitement.
And then they make a documentary about George Lucas.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Faith has nothing to do with logic, really. That's why it's faith.
Besides which, if you're hyped up about the Force Awakens what the fuck are you doing watching Phantom Menace if you actually care about maintaining said hype? It's like wanting to maintain your car by driving it into the back of a reversing log truck. Click & Clack would not approve.
And regardless, it's not like the quality of a 16 year old movie made by completely different people should have any effect on your anticipation for a completely different movie coming out in two months.
CreepingFear
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Bobby, I love you and your podcast. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
That's part of loving me and my podcast! Knowing that I'm completely off my ass on some damn thing or another.
Discotheque
Banned
I enjoy Star Wars more than ESB too. There's more plot twists and intrigue in the sequel but the first is just such a great adventure movie through and through. I put it up with Back to the Future as one of those films you could watch any time.
I agree with this. And Episode 1 sucks. The idea that Sith is the best prequel that seems to be the near-unanimous opinion just doesn't work with me. Sure, we've got hammy Ian McDiarmid, but literally everything else is terrible in my eye. It's right up there with Attack of the Clones in terms of shittyness for me - just a notch below.
Phantom Menace has the least of the horrifyingly bad environments, has a plot that has nothing to do with the mess brought on by the other two, and at least has a cool looking baddie, I guess.
Disagree here, though.
I just have to put Empire on top...!
CreepingFear
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Come on now! How many movies have you seen? Have you seen Michael Bay movies and Uwe Boll films? Even a film like Gigli is far from the worse film there has ever been.
CreepingFear
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Just like BTTF 1, it stands on it's own and Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing>Yoda. Crispin Glover put BTTF 1 on top.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Episode I is the best prequel for the same reason that it should never have been a movie: because nothing in it actually matters. Anakin is literally a different character than he is in any of the other films, and the entirety of the plot could and should have been part of opening crawl. It has the best aesthetics of the prequels, a great score, and a few mindlessly enjoyable scenes. I mean, it's still a bad movie, but not as offensively bad as the following ones.
LookAtMeGo
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What's your podcast?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I guest on Full of Sith semi-frequently. I did all the Rumor Control episodes, some of the regular episodes, and recently hosted the Trailer Council panel.
LookAtMeGo
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Cool man, I'll check it out.
CreepingFear
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There's no call for this, man.
YOU DIDN'T NEED TO DO THIS
Eye Shadow Luke is best Luke. That eyeshadow! May the force be with Bea Arthur!
Bobby Roberts
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Thanks!
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