Man does black face for Kanye West costume because this shit will never end
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You must not post these parts (OT) too much.
Yeah, is all a joke you know? Boys will be boys after all.
Polioliolio
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I'm not looking for trouble. I thought black face referred to the racist and upsetting exaggeration and disrespectful displays.. The awful stereotyped make ups.
Isn't this just some dude trying to look like a rapper for Halloween? Is he only allowed to be a white rapper? Does anyone like white rappers?
metalslimer
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Wtf are you talking about we are no where near equality
It's not even that difficult. If people would actually be tolerant and read there wouldn't be a problem. But no , people gotta inject their own experiences and not even be coy about it. We got people in here straight up telling black people how they should feel and to "just get over it"
Holy shit. You think equality is a reality now?
There are two things I know about you: you're not black, and you still haven't read through this thread.
Crimson_Gold
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Equality is still far from a reality. This does not need to be OK. There does not need to be acceptance of this. What right does he or anyone else have to do this? Sure, he can do as he please and people have the right to be outraged. It is what the act represents to many that prevents it from ever being OK. I don't see why that's so hard to understand. Halloween isn't a free pass to show your ass
Rappers are musicians. Not black people. You don't need to have "black" painted skin to be a rapper because rappers aren't race specific. It's... obvious enough. No one needs whiteface to go as a county singer. Just denim and plaid and a cowboy hat and bad taste in music/
Also, from earlier, "nu black" is the how you call someone an Uncle Tom in the new millennium?
I mean it's not as if the largest collection of information is at your fingers and you are able to research why something is offensive to certain people or anything like that.
Seeing how well Eminem, Macklemore, El-P, and Mac Miller are doing, I daresay there are people out there who might wish all rappers were white. Maybe then they wouldn't have to keep painting their skin brown all the time in a totally harmless way that people should just get over.
Yeah thats probably why a lot of people defend it, but I'm sure plenty also want to do it (talking about people in general not just gaf).
Every year there's plenty of examples, and it just amazes me how people can't think for a second or two and realize they're being pretty horrible people.
Polioliolio
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I get it, but by making a show of it, couldn't we be fanning flames on something that might be innocent?
I wish we could all dress up like each other, without disrespect.
Sorry guys, I don't mean to upset anyone. I don't think the costume in question is intentionally malicious. That's my main point.
jordan0386
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Could have just worn a fake goatee.
Every adult white american should know blackface is dangerous territory. Whether you have black friends or not.
Putting it on social media is kinda white privilege. Odds are, you'll get a slap on the wrist for this behavior.
Every adult white american should know blackface is dangerous territory. Whether you have black friends or not.
Putting it on social media is kinda white privilege. Odds are, you'll get a slap on the wrist for this behavior.
Why does the race of a rapper have to be such a defining feature that someone paints themselves as them? You don't have to be the exact skin tone to get your point across that you're playing as someone else, shown by the shit ton of cosplays where they don't bother with painting themselves. Ifs
I understand, but intention doesn't matter too much in this context. There is unintentional racism and the best way to stop it is drilling in everyone's head this is fucked up.
Prototype Viktor
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Why didn't his wife do the same to look Armenian
Evening Musuko
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There are examples in the first page or two of people who aren't black wearing costumes of black people that don't involve painting their skin. It can be done.
Yeah basically. Cross reference nu black and the mucisian pharrell for more details
Veritigo_X
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This really isn't any different than that. He can dress up as Kanye if he wants but he shouldn't make his skin color part of the costume. There are multiple examples in this thread of people dressing up as characters without needing to paint their skin.
I'm sorry if I offend anybody and I definitely do not want to be banned myself! I in no way agree with this costume or these posts but I am left wondering did these folks get banned for these? If so, why? I'm just curious as they didn't come off as particularly racist.
I'm from Finland and I have no lack of understanding about how stupid doing blackface is even if slavery & all the other BS black people have gone through in the US weren't that big of a thing here.
TheSpoiler
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The first one was continuously being disingenuous, and the second one is playing off the whole thing by saying "Halloween is supposed to be dumb" as if it stands as a great rebuttal for being offensive. He might have said other things, I don't know.
boiled goose
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More importantly though, how we define "the races" hasnt been by hair color. It has been by skin color.
We have historically (recently and still today!!!) treated people (SOLELY!) because of their skin color. When it comes to white and black it is the freaking name for the racial groups.
I think if there was less racial injustice purely determined by the color of your skin it would be less of an issue.
I have attempted to read this thread back to front to figure out the best thing to say, but not only can I not really think of a point that has any real purpose, I don't have any authority on this issue at all.
But I will say this. This topic is much more controversial in the US than other parts of the world. The history in the US is different and I would like to recommend posters from outside of the US to understand that the majority (and specifically those putting out the bans) are on one side of the fence that there is no hope in convincing them otherwise of the truths they know.
I would like to say that intent doesn't have anything to do with it. There is a certain degree of ignorance to come into a thread like this, see the direction of the discussion, and just mention that blackface isn't racist because xyz.
If this guy wanted to "dress up like Kanye", he can do it in every sense but not emulate his skin colour. It degrades Kanye because, his skin colour isn't what makes him. Putting on that makeup makes him similar to a large percentage of the population, not Kanye. The glasses do it, maybe the uniform fuck I don't know, but Kanye isn't the only black guy there is and what makes him a celebrity isn't the fact that he is black.
So whether or not you think blackface is racist or not, this costume sucks ass.
But I will say this. This topic is much more controversial in the US than other parts of the world. The history in the US is different and I would like to recommend posters from outside of the US to understand that the majority (and specifically those putting out the bans) are on one side of the fence that there is no hope in convincing them otherwise of the truths they know.
I would like to say that intent doesn't have anything to do with it. There is a certain degree of ignorance to come into a thread like this, see the direction of the discussion, and just mention that blackface isn't racist because xyz.
If this guy wanted to "dress up like Kanye", he can do it in every sense but not emulate his skin colour. It degrades Kanye because, his skin colour isn't what makes him. Putting on that makeup makes him similar to a large percentage of the population, not Kanye. The glasses do it, maybe the uniform fuck I don't know, but Kanye isn't the only black guy there is and what makes him a celebrity isn't the fact that he is black.
So whether or not you think blackface is racist or not, this costume sucks ass.
Thanks, that was an interesting Google search. Jeez.
The point is that if I was here on the first page, I wouldnt even research it, since I would see noone being banned and nothing wrong with it.
I would comment on it based on my experience.
Sure, the people after have the opportunity to see id be banned and see its real bussiness and research it. But ijs, I wouldnt feel the need to research if I came in the thread at its earliest stages.
There needs to be disclaimers in threads like this as to why this kind of stuff is offensive and forbidden.
EDIT: Heck, where I live, this kind of action can actually be considered anti-racist. Its not unheard of painting your face black to support anti-racism movements.
I'm bout to wild the fuck out, i'm going Bobby Boucher
Ah thanks. Yeah I definitely agree with you, a holiday isn't a free pass for being offensive to people of any kind.
metalslimer
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So instead of asking why it's offensive after seeing people offended you would immediately jump to put down why it's not offensive? Being from another country doesn't excuse ignorance. If you legitimately didn't understand why this was offensive than ask.
Polioliolio
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It could be naivety, but I was thinking he went for the dark skin because most of the popular rappers are black. It's an important element to the costume I would think, particularly if he's trying to be Kanye.
I don't know country as much as I don't know rap, but concerning the country comparison, if a black dude wanted to dress up like a country star, no makeup needed, but if he was going for Garth Brooks, I think makeup might be his only hope.
I realize now this is a lot more sensitive than I first thought. I apologize for upsetting anyone.
I don't know country as much as I don't know rap, but concerning the country comparison, if a black dude wanted to dress up like a country star, no makeup needed, but if he was going for Garth Brooks, I think makeup might be his only hope.
I realize now this is a lot more sensitive than I first thought. I apologize for upsetting anyone.
where the fuck do you live?
of course, how would people know that he was kanye if he didn't paint himself black. the KANYE FOR PREZ 2020 sign doesn't tell us anything
If you're naive about something, rushing to defend it isn't very smart. Plenty of posts in this thread detailing why its wrong and why it shouldn't be done.
Brazil. of course it all depends on intent tho, obviously theres people who would paint themselves black to mock black people, but we dont have a cultural century long history of that.
Here is a singer who painted his face black in a way to express he is anti-racist
http://odia.ig.com.br/diversao/cele...anha-contra-preconceito-e-causa-polemica.html
Later, people told him that it could be considered racist by american cultural standards, and he apologized, but to him he was actually fighting against racism.
The point is that if I came in it in the first page, I would dismiss people being offended as just overreacting, overreacting is something very common in a forum like this one.
metalslimer
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So wearimg those clothes and being black is a sign that you are a rapper?
Edit: Assuming everything is just outrage culture is a good reason why that term is so stupid to begin with. It takes minutes to educate yourself.
Edit: Assuming everything is just outrage culture is a good reason why that term is so stupid to begin with. It takes minutes to educate yourself.
ElectricBlanketFire
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You would think after the graveyard this thread became people would think twice about posting.
Yet again, the internet is at your disposal. If you see people being offended on the first page, maybe you should research why people are offended.
Admiral Woofington
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To be fair our group of countries can be pretty racist and insensitive.
My great grandma told my cousin that he wouldn't be welcome back to the family if he ever brought home a black girlfriend. I would say "it's just my great grandma" but I'm pretty sure my whole older family would feel uncomfortable if somebody brought a black significant other.
It's like clockwork.
That's your family problem. Not the country's.
By American "Standards" Latin are racist as shit. Little do Americans knows about what is racist and what is not.
There are racism in this country. But this is not one of them.
Then tell me if you actually do that everytime you see anyone is offended at something.
Gentleman Jack
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Demonstrate that you at least tried to read the thread. Each one of your questions got addressed. If you're sincere in your curiosity do us the kindness of going over the debate that just happened, even if you have to step over some bodies on your way you'll at least have caught up with the rest of us and not catch hostility over repeating the same talking points that got beat to death so far.
Admiral Woofington
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True, but that was only an example. The hyper Catholicism, mixed with the African influence of my home city [Cartagena] makes for a very very serious racism problem in some cities as such. It's maybe a different kind of racism, but racism nonetheless.
TheSpoiler
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I do before posting because I don't want to talk out of my ass.
I don't always do it, but I feel like a chump when I don't because it's very apparent.
metalslimer
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If I don't understand something than yes or I wait till someone explains it in a few posts. I don't come in fast with the stop being so offended at everything line because you'll end up looking like an ass. You just don't just walk up to people in real life in the middle of a conversation and just start voicing your opinion when you have no idea what you are saying do you?
Yeezus was a great album tbh.
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