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Man does black face for Kanye West costume because this shit will never end
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Captin Quacker
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I would considering how easy it is
I don't understand why this is such a challenge for you
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Bish only has so much Bish-Away disinfectant (Warning: Please keep out of reach from small children, pets and pregnant women) and that shit isn't cheap especially with the weak Canadian dollar.
It is racist, and most that think it isn't wouldn't be able to navigate the average Africa American experience with as much grace as has been shown by the offended in this thread so far.
You clearly don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Moving on.
I agree, but I just wouldn't put it in absolute terms. Some people put some gross examples of black face and they are absolutely disgusting. I'd just hope that somebody trying to do a more genuine costume of a black character they like isn't perceived the same way. The problem is that even people with good intentions typically aren't able to make any sort of cosplay that doesn't look insulting.
Suppose a white person was a really big 80s Michael Jackson fan and had the skills to do the kind of make up on par with RDJ's make up for Tropic Thunder. I would hope somebody like that wouldn't be looked at as somebody simply doing black face or trying to make some sort of racial insult/comment.
So as a black guy, the person in that hypothetical doesn't really bother me. Anybody else who doesn't have those intentions or ability to do it properly do bother me. If you are a huge 80s MJ fan but any make up you use just looks insulting, then it is a problem to me.
Im Latín American, you only speak for yourself, not for me nor for my country. Its not that hard to contextualize situations on the culture that is being discussed rather than a straight dismissal because of your perceived background.
On Neogaf most of the things I see people being offended about tend to relate to black issues. I'm black, I understand why people are offended. If it is an issue among something related to a minority of any type I tend to be able to see why they are offended. Lot of minority issues overlap. If I don't understand I ask or do research, mainly because that's what peoplr do.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Nope. A friend of mine dressed as Crazy Eyes from Orange Is The New Black last year without blackface.
No, I'm not posting pics.
Well, Colombia is one of the richest country when we talk about diversity. Native Indian, White and Black. Just like almost the whole Latin America. (except for Argentina and Chile)
Racism can come from both sides in Latin America. Black against white an vice versa.
The example you just said happens all the time, regardless of the skin color. Belive me,a lot of people deny white "blanquito" skin colors.
Gentleman Jack
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Yet I don't think it's particularly shocking to hear that somewhere, some people get a pass for acting like a racist jackass. You might even get your parking validated. Knowing this doesn't really inform the debate about blackface making annual appearances all over American Halloween.
What's your country my friend?
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Evening Musuko
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Oh that guy. I've heard of him.
The thing is, he can just wipe his face off at the end of the night and not deal with the racism a black person has to deal in day in and day out. As a famous musician he could do much more to combat racism than to put on some paint.
Also, about the "overreaction" thing. Look, it's one thing if it's about a canceled game or whatever, but racism is something that people have to deal with day in and day out, and if you're not a black american, you might not understand why blackface is so damaging.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, you should understand that not everyone has the same experience as you and to at least have an empathetic ear as to why people are offended by things that to you, are harmless.
Just saying how I feel about it. All I can really do is say what does and doesn't bother me.
You are under the assumption I would feel like I didnt understand something. That isnt the case here, I wouldnt feel like I didnt understand something, I would feel like someone was exagerating in a belief that I understand fully well.
I start voicing my opinion when I think I have an idea what im talking about, and in this case, I wouldnt even begin to guess that the issue here is the historical culture of the painting, I would think someone was claming this cosplay to be mockery while it could all depend on the intent. I only have my cultural baggage with me, so I wouldnt expect other countries to act so differently on something like this.
Regardless, I dont even know why we are discussing this. I think a little disclaimer in the OP that this is offensive and ban-worthy if you defend it wouldnt harm anyone at all and would actually prevent people from saying shit.
Oh, I absolutely agree bro. Im actually disgusted about the OP picture now that I know the context of it,
starchild excalibur
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I get people being upset about it and I 100% agree that you don't have to paint yourself brown to cosplay as a black guy, but as a black guy I don't feel instinctively offended when someone paints themselves black regardless of how they do it and who they're depicting.
Black as the night black when depicting a ganster? Yes. Non-comically black to depict a pop icon? Not so much.
The historical connotation is clear, but the historical connotation exists in large part because of the goal that blackface performers had when depicting and disparaging black people. I don't automatically equate that with this.
Black as the night black when depicting a ganster? Yes. Non-comically black to depict a pop icon? Not so much.
The historical connotation is clear, but the historical connotation exists in large part because of the goal that blackface performers had when depicting and disparaging black people. I don't automatically equate that with this.
We still got posts saying "x group of people don't care when this is done to them, get over it black people!" Lol thanks dude won't catch me in your racist part of the world. Doing me a favor and not doing yourself any on this forum
Did you watch the movie? RDJ character didn't get a pass either. Well done or not it's still completely disrespectful give my the historical context of the subject.
Silphonica
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I don't get why blackface is just inherently racist. Racism is defined as your views deeming one race inferior to another. Wanting to dress up as kanye west does not fit the bill he just happens to be black. Robert Downey Jr dressed up as a "blackface" character in the movie tropic thunder.
For clarification, blackface can be racist if the main point about insulting black people, but just dressing up as black face is not racist, despite the history for blackface.
We need balance between equality and being too politically correct. This also applies to other opinions I have but that would derail the thread.
For clarification, blackface can be racist if the main point about insulting black people, but just dressing up as black face is not racist, despite the history for blackface.
We need balance between equality and being too politically correct. This also applies to other opinions I have but that would derail the thread.
Sho_Nuff82
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Do people still non-ironically post the Tropic Thunder.jpg in defense of blackface? In 2015?
FFS, you'd think they'd have enough time to rewatch that film, they really missed the point of that character.
Edit: Two posts directly above mine haha.
Did you seriously not get that the other characters in the movie view Kirk's use of blackface and faux-ebonics as either weirdly over-the-top or grossly offensive? And that he snaps out his self-absorbed clown show just in time to save his friends? It's funny because he's so clueless about how ridiculous he looks (and acts).
FFS, you'd think they'd have enough time to rewatch that film, they really missed the point of that character.
Edit: Two posts directly above mine haha.
Did you seriously not get that the other characters in the movie view Kirk's use of blackface and faux-ebonics as either weirdly over-the-top or grossly offensive? And that he snaps out his self-absorbed clown show just in time to save his friends? It's funny because he's so clueless about how ridiculous he looks (and acts).
Look right above your post
Captin Quacker
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holy shit the threads goin full circle
Yeah, I've seen the movie. I liked his role in the movie. I have no desire to tell anybody how to feel about it though. I'm just explaining how I react to it as a black person. I suppose the only thing I'd wish is that a person who is trying to do it "right" isn't looked at the same way as somebody trying to be an asshole. I can absolutely see the argument for why it is a bad idea even if it doesn't bother me, but I'd just hope all cases aren't treated pretty much equal.
metalslimer
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Lol, after so many pages you can't make this shit up
Woah. It's like a cycle.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Yeah, we can't be too PC and recognize blackface as being offensive.
It's round 2 folks.
It's the go to bs argument in these threads sadly.
There's usually two purges before the thread catches a lock or just dies.
balance between equality and political correctness? what?
Gentleman Jack
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Why not? Because you say so? Weak reasoning is going to get you nowhere.
Evening Musuko
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Fess up. You haven't watched the movie, have you?
You calling us "racist part of the world" makes you a racist.
Or what. Does the United States of America is the only country who knows what racism is?
When there is even a measurable amount of equality to be had, then we can talk about this balance of political correctness in the face of blatant and systemic racism.
NO. YOU calling your country racist makes it racist.
Did the record skip.....? What's going on here?
Okay, I made dinner and now I'm back. Nice to see he thread cleaned up a bi--oh..
you literally said yourself that your country has a lot of racism that nobody seems to care about
So which is it? Is your country racist or not?
you literally said yourself that your country has a lot of racism that nobody seems to care about
So which is it? Is your country racist or not?
You're the one speaking for everyone. Wonder where my generalization came from. You're making the same mistake that charliedigital poster made
FYI saying I'm not racist your racist is the most classic diet racism response
metalslimer
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I don't always agree with this. For examples some religious people are extremely offended just by gay people being who they are. I like to look at it to see if there are any real benefits to not respecting the offended beliefs. In this case no one has provided a good reason why black face should be respected.
It's like a goddamn circle. Fucking hell
Did I say that tho? I said things like this wouldn't be considered racist(because, in our opinion is not) . It happens both way. White - Blacks and Vice versa. Especially in Carnival celebrations.
Hell, we even use oil, and those who are brown get even browner.
Edit: done discussing.
We're in the fucking Groundhog Day of threads
Gentleman Jack
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Too early for blackface?
Captin Quacker
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gaf has a horrible track record of leaping before looking
ElectricBlanketFire
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you're a very smart fella
it is obvious, however, that this is an extremely touchy subject for Americans, and he probably should have known better
Are you about to enact the zwarte argument of blackface threads where it's okay because it's something that's commonly done in other countries?
Silphonica
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The worst part is, i've never seen the movie, i only know about it. However I have not read of any "thats racist" outcries to topic thunder existing, might be my own ignorance. However,I still stand by own point. Let's say I wanted to cosplay as samuel jackson in pulp fiction, do I go as white or black or just avoid because im white altogether?
My original argument was: most of those who think this is racist wouldn't pass a day in most of the Latin Countries.
Take it as you want. No reason for me to keep discussing.
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