Man does black face for Kanye West costume because this shit will never end

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JDSN

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Dude was gonna dedicate his life to black causes and equality, but now you trashed him online and he wont anymore.
 
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atr0cious

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Major Williams said:
I'm a minority myself.
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People need to stop leading with shit like this. No one cares what race you are, but it's usually a given if your black you'd know at least why people find it offensive. Coming in and saying you don't find it offensive doesn't negate history, the many posts in here stating otherwise or any other person who is rightfully offended by it.
 
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metalslimer

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I'm amazed at how so many people can start off their posts with the I'm not trying to be ignorant disclaimer and then go off the deep end a large portion of the African American community
 
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Javier23

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Merc_ said:
I'm really impressed by the shear depths of ignorance that can pop up on this forum. Thanks for telling us black folk how we should feel too.
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Maybe I didn't express myself as clearly as I would have liked to. English is not my mother tongue. My point was exactly that: nobody here should have the right to tell anybody how to feel about things. I know the USA well enough to know how you must feel when you see people doing this shit. Of course you should feel fucking livid. The guy is an idiot and I never meant to claim otherwise. I'm just trying to explain HOW and WHY users here that are not from the USA, like myself, can feel otherwise about this, IN THE HIPOTHETICAL THAT THIS HAPPENED ANYWHERE ELSE. You can make the point that maybe this being chiefly an American forum we just should refrain from commenting here, but is it so incredibly difficult to understand that cultural differences exist and they are not all because of "RACISM!"?
 
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Gordon Shumway

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metalslimer said:
I'm amazed at how so many people can start off their posts with the I'm not trying to be ignorant disclaimer and then go off the deep end a large portion of the African American community
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The best comparison I can come up with is "I'm not against birthdays but

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I'm against birthdays!"
 
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Dai101

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Javier23 said:
Let me try to express my views on this as clearly as possible so no one can misunderstand me. I'm not American. The outrage people are showing in this thread would never ever happen in my country. If it did, we'd think it's stupid to be angry at such a thing. When we go in costume as a known black person, we dress like that person, we talk like that person, we move like that person, and we paint our skin the color of that person, because nobody dresses the same, nobody shares the same mannerisms, nobody talks the same, and nobody has the same skin colour. When we in good fun pretend to be this person, there's a lot of things we can do with. We can just dress like that person, just move like that person, just talk like that person, or just paint our skin the color of that person. Heck, we can just say we are that person and do none of those things. But that wouldn't be a great costume, would it?

Now, I'm not "being ignorant from" abroad, I know the historical roots surrounding this taboo perfectly well. What's actually ignorant is this attitude of pretending such a taboo around what in itself is just an inoffensive action extends, or should extend, to every single country on Earth. Cultural relativism exists. We don't all live in America. Not everything has the same meaning or implications everywhere. Now, we do have a black population. And I believe it fair to say that, with our own share of issues, we are not even close to rivaling the USA in terms of the racism embedded in both social and institutional structures. I say this having briefly worked in the south in the areas of poverty and hunger, and having visited my fair share of American governmental institutions. So the fact that people can get so fixated on language (the "N word") or irrelevant cultural manifestations (blackface in the context of costume parties and entertainment acts ) instead of on the material reality surrounding them disturbs me very much. I find it childish, and a very unhealthy attitude to try and pretend differences don't exist instead of actually viewing them as something natural and ordinary. I believe we Europeans are doing a bit better in that sense, despite our own issues, and some pretty serious ones at that (some of which have been these days awfully evident).

But all in all, don't go around calling people ignorant because we don't feel the same about this everywhere. The heinous historical reasons why you find this so disgusting are exclusively your reponsibility and yours to deal with. Every other country has their own regrets manifested today very differently, and no national will expect you to have the same taboos and to let them affect your own social interactions the same way they affect theirs.
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Javier23 said:
Maybe I didn't express myself as clearly as I would have liked to. English is not my mother tongue. My point was exactly that: nobody here should have the right to tell anybody how to feel about things. I know the USA well enough to know how you must feel when you see people doing this shit. Of course you should feel fucking livid. The guy is an idiot and I never meant to claim otherwise. I'm just trying to explain HOW and WHY users here that are not from the USA, like myself, can feel otherwise about this, IN THE HIPOTHETICAL THAT THIS HAPPENED ANYWHERE ELSE? You can make the point that maybe this being chiefly an American forum we just should refrain from commenting here, but is it so incredibly difficult to understand that cultural differences exist and they are not all because of "RACISM!"?
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nah, your ignorance doesn't get a pass. no matter how much mewling you do.
 
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atr0cious

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Javier23 said:
Maybe I didn't express myself as clearly as I would have liked to. English is not my mother tongue. My point was exactly that: nobody here should have the right to tell anybody how to feel about things. I know the USA well enough to know how you must feel when you see people doing this shit. Of course you should feel fucking livid. The guy is an idiot and I never meant to claim otherwise. I'm just trying to explain HOW and WHY users here that are not from the USA, like myself, can feel otherwise about this, IN THE HIPOTHETICAL THAT THIS HAPPENED ANYWHERE ELSE? You can make the point that maybe this being chiefly an American forum we just should refrain from commenting here, but is it so incredibly difficult to understand that cultural differences exist and they are not all because of "RACISM!"?
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I think it's funny you euros acting like you got the blackface in vacuum. Like you guys had never seen a black person, and just black skin with big red lips was just the natural progression of coming up with characters to portray.
 
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Izuna

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Guys I don't understand, what is offensive about an equilateral cross, with its four legs bent at 90 degrees? Okay maybe there is some history but the holocaust was like, 100 years ago lol. It's just a shape.

okay I can't hear the sarcasm reading this back to myself, so here it is, /s
 
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Lovely Salsa

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atr0cious said:
I think it's funny you euros acting like you got the blackface in vacuum. Like you guys had never seen a black person, and just black skin with big red lips was just the natural progression of coming up with characters to portray.
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Can you blame us? Our politicians eat blackface cakes for lunch ffs
 
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Merc_

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Javier23 said:
Maybe I didn't express myself as clearly as I would have liked to. English is not my mother tongue. My point was exactly that: nobody here should have the right to tell anybody how to feel about things. I know the USA well enough to know how you must feel when you see people doing this shit. Of course you should feel fucking livid. The guy is an idiot and I never meant to claim otherwise. I'm just trying to explain HOW and WHY users here that are not from the USA, like myself, can feel otherwise about this, IN THE HIPOTHETICAL THAT THIS HAPPENED ANYWHERE ELSE. You can make the point that maybe this being chiefly an American forum we just should refrain from commenting here, but is it so incredibly difficult to understand that cultural differences exist and they are not all because of "RACISM!"?
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The fuck? That's exactly what you did in that post! I'm also willing to bet the black people in your country don't like it anymore than we do, but you just dismiss them and their feelings. You flat out don't give a shit how the people you mock feel so stop pretending otherwise.
 
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Javier23 said:
Maybe I didn't express myself as clearly as I would have liked to. English is not my mother tongue. My point was exactly that: nobody here should have the right to tell anybody how to feel about things. I know the USA well enough to know how you must feel when you see people doing this shit. Of course you should feel fucking livid. The guy is an idiot and I never meant to claim otherwise. I'm just trying to explain HOW and WHY users here that are not from the USA, like myself, can feel otherwise about this, IN THE HIPOTHETICAL THAT THIS HAPPENED ANYWHERE ELSE. You can make the point that maybe this being chiefly an American forum we just should refrain from commenting here, but is it so incredibly difficult to understand that cultural differences exist and they are not all because of "RACISM!"?
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Have you ever stopped to think for a minute that attempting to depict yourself as another race based on racial stereotypes is just wrong, regardless of what fucking country you are in?
 
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Principate

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Javier23 said:
Maybe I didn't express myself as clearly as I would have liked to. English is not my mother tongue. My point was exactly that: nobody here should have the right to tell anybody how to feel about things. I know the USA well enough to know how you must feel when you see people doing this shit. Of course you should feel fucking livid. The guy is an idiot and I never meant to claim otherwise. I'm just trying to explain HOW and WHY users here that are not from the USA, like myself, can feel otherwise about this, IN THE HIPOTHETICAL THAT THIS HAPPENED ANYWHERE ELSE. You can make the point that maybe this being chiefly an American forum we just should refrain from commenting here, but is it so incredibly difficult to understand that cultural differences exist and they are not all because of "RACISM!"?
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This did happen somewhere else. in the UK there's was protests about this shit which removed programmes involving it from air. This isn't some uniquely American issue like your painting it out to be.
 
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izunadono said:
Guys I don't understand, what is offensive about an equilateral cross, with its four legs bent at 90 degrees? Okay maybe there is some history but the holocaust was like, 100 years ago lol. It's just a shape.

okay I can't hear the sarcasm reading this back to myself, so here it is, /s
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When are they gonna just get over it?
 
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Gordon Shumway

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Merc_ said:
The fuck? That's exactly what you did in that post! I'm also willing to bet the black people in your country don't like it anymore than we do, but you just dismiss them and their feelings. You flat out don't give a shit how the people you mock feel so stop pretending otherwise.
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Easy there..English isn't his native tongue. I'm sure that's not at all how he meant to say it. How did you mean to say it, Javi?
 
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Javier23 said:
Maybe I didn't express myself as clearly as I would have liked to. English is not my mother tongue. My point was exactly that: nobody here should have the right to tell anybody how to feel about things. I know the USA well enough to know how you must feel when you see people doing this shit. Of course you should feel fucking livid. The guy is an idiot and I never meant to claim otherwise. I'm just trying to explain HOW and WHY users here that are not from the USA, like myself, can feel otherwise about this, IN THE HIPOTHETICAL THAT THIS HAPPENED ANYWHERE ELSE. You can make the point that maybe this being chiefly an American forum we just should refrain from commenting here, but is it so incredibly difficult to understand that cultural differences exist and they are not all because of "RACISM!"?
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Blackface and minstrel show aren't exclusive to the US they happened in Europe as well. but based on the ignorance you flung around here, it's clear that you didn't know that.
Tell us more about black people complain too much about the word nigger.
 
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User1608

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Javier23 said:
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Telling people they shouldn't be offended about something that clearly stereotypes and belittles them/a minority is never okay and never justified, no mater what country or continent you are in. It's human decency to respect people and take into consideration why blackface is bad, which has been explained over and over in this thread. Europe doesn't get a free pass.
*edit* I need sleep.:/
 
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backflip10019

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ElectricBlanketFire said:
*15 pages later*

But why is it racist?
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Sorry, I completely missed the thread and didn't have time to go through it all.

Blackface is one of the absolutes in life -- it's 100% racist all the time because regardless of the context, it undermines, belittles and makes a mockery of an entire race of people.

It doesn't matter how YOU (the collective you) feel about blackface. It is racist regardless of one's feelings toward it.
 
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Kyzer

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HylianHistorian said:
Telling people they shouldn't be offended about something that clearly stereotype and belittles a group is never okay and never justified, no mater what country or continent you are in. It's human decency to respect people and take into consideration why blackface is bad, which has been explained over and over in this thread. Europre doesn't get a free pass.
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Hey now, maybe what they really meant by "people shouldnt be offended by this" was that "no one has the right to tell anyone how they should feel"! You never know these days
 
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Izuna

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TheSpoiler said:
When are they gonna just get over it?
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I know right? Wore this badge with a shape of a hexagram, the compound of two equilateral triangles as a matter of respect to be ANTI-racist, and then the Americans just got offended like they always do. It's different in my country! It means we respect everyone, we are all equal!
 
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Though I wouldn't do anything to disrespect people I never agreed to the redefinition of racism(yes, I read some articles about it).
Most of times I see the word used on internet is in a context where it completely lost the weight. Seems something like:

Racism - Word used to express angry when a person doesn't agree with you.
 
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xKilltheMx

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Guys ive decided that black face is okay.
I speak for the entirety of the black community so they get a pass now.

I AM the black friend. Fear me.
 
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