Two new Iowa polls show Clinton with GIANT leads over Sanders
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Mushroomer25
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This really would be the most honest way to conduct things, but it'd never happen. Sanders has already said he wouldn't do it (out of fears of becoming the secondcoming of Ralph Nader) - and both sides would be too tempted to reign their independent candidate in to guarantee a victory over the split opposition.
If Trump goes independent, it's over for the GOP. They'll be put in an unwinnable circumstance.
My sarcasm meter picked up something but I decided to ignore it, not the wisest option.
Trust thyself.
shoplifter
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Al Gore couldn't even win Tennessee. If you're not popular enough to win your own home state, what does that say about your candidacy?
\/\/\/ At this point, I'm fully on the "America, you get the candidates you deserve" bandwagon. I'll vote my conscience and not for whom I hate the least.
Veritigo_X
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I mean the fact that you want to use words like "bitch" and "whore" to describe Clinton says a lot about you. Saying outlandish things as a followup doesn't help your case either.
Anyway, the reason you got jumped on initially (by democrats in general, not necessarily Hillary supporters) was because of your wish for Bernie to run independent without seeming to realize or care what that would do to this country.
teruterubozu
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I don't get it. I thought Bernie was a joke-of-a-threat with supporters who "don't vote." So who cares if he runs as an independent?
Yes, because people have said literally none of his supporter will vote. Literally. None.
Spider from Mars
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Have Sander's supporters bashed the polling methodology and started crying about media bias yet?
Whom_Gods_Annoy
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When was that argument brought up in this thread?
That's strawmanning pretty hard.
I didn't say I used corporate whore to describe Hillary but that id avoid using it in the future to avoid arguments like this that have no bearing on why I would rather Bernie be the nominee. The oh he said bitch so he must be a sexist is fair but not at all true. I use bitches to describe the 49ers on a daily basis.
teruterubozu
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Or an implication that they aren't serious voters? So is he a threat or insignificant? Seems to be conflicted around here.
RPGCrazied
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After that benghazi committee 11 hour grill fest, I'm not surprised.
He's not a threat to the established candidate, but a threat if his voter base does not support the established candidate.
Yes, I think that's how it works.
minor effort
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I don't think he would, but if he did run as an independent it wouldn't be a joke for the Democrats. You don't see these 1984-style landslide elections anymore, and Bernie is still popular enough that if he took off and ran as an independent his support could cost Hillary those crucial percentage points in battleground states.
benicillin
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I'd love to vote for Bernie but I have no problem voting Clinton when she gets the nomination, she's a great politician.
He's insignificant in the primary but if he decided to run third party, despite already saying he wouldn't, it would hurt the democrats chances, just like Nader did. I don't see how it's hard to understand.
teruterubozu
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Oh please, we're talking about the possible, hypothetical, probable, maybe elements of Bernie going independent. It's not even a real discussion.
Who was talking about that?
teruterubozu
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What? Ok, I must be hallucinating that last few pages.
Mushroomer25
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Clearly these polls need to be conducted with the same level of professional ettiquite as a user opinion poll on the front page of CNN.com. That's the only way to get the real perspective.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Here's the thing--while it's not literally foretold, it nearly is in practicality. It takes years or generations, sometimes, to get a candidate like Sanders into the White House. This election is too late. Next election is too late. Maaaaaaybe the political composition of the country can change enough by the election after that, at a real longshot. You have to start very locally, and if enough local representatives around the country are elected, eventually some of them will run for state office, and eventually some of those will run for congress or governor, and after feeding enough of those into the system for a while you hopefully have a Congressional caucus, high-ranking state officials and, from that pool, perhaps, a real Presidential candidate.
Not directed at you specifically, but poking one's head out of an apolitical groundhog hole every four years to complain that Mickey Mouse isn't getting traction doesn't get anyone anywhere.
superdeluxe
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Its crazy to see so many on the left turn on each other.
Write him off folks he went down 2.7% compared to the last poll Loras College did.
Hillary is going to inspire high voter turnout as well folks, this election will be a cake walk.
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Candidate* Candidate Support
(August 24-27 Poll) Candidate Support
(October 19-22 Poll) Change
Hillary Clinton 57.2 percent 61.6 percent +4.4 percent
Bernie Sanders 26.3 percent 23.6 percent -2.7 percent
Martin OMalley 5.6 percent 3.2 percent -2.4 percent
Undecided 8.0 percent 10.2 percent +2.2 percentHillary is going to inspire high voter turnout as well folks, this election will be a cake walk.
Oh do you honestly not know the reason? It's because I prefer her over literally any Republican. Glad I could clear that up!
This is the reason.
Future PhaZe
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Serious question to Hillary supporters: Your honest opinion about her foreign policy record?
shoplifter
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"Its good enough, and she's not a republican. She's going to win anyway"
minor effort
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It's still nothing compared to the infighting and power struggle going on within the GOP.
Joe Shlabotnik
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This is a pillow fight compared to 2008.
Ziltoidia 9
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The Right are probably holding their attacks for next summer. They realized they could be creating a monster in Sanders by helping him.
Damerman
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he was the only one during the debates that encouraged more voter turnout in midterms... the ONLY one.
ad fucking nauseam
That's a fuckin' circus, and I wonder if they're truly, sincerely behind the mind of those who elect them, or their corporate friends.
superdeluxe
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Very True.
Veritigo_X
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It's kind of a weird thing to bring up at a debate, but you're crazy if you don't think everyone in the democratic party want a higher midterm turnout in 2018. This is something that would help the party immensely.
Mushroomer25
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It'd be a Republican wet dream for Sanders to get the nomination. They've spent the past decade making 'socialist' into the most damning of words, and their opposition could be a guy wearing the badge with pride? Who doesn't excite the minority vote, leaving them open? It'd be a dream come true.
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And in the end, there wasn't that much distance between the Clinton and Obama camps, especially when compared to the deep divide within the GOP. A coalition was made and Democrats won the presidency.
The GOP's establishment / tea party / evangelical / Washington outsider power struggle is fascinating to watch, and shows a fracturing much deeper than anything going on inside the Democrats.
dehydratedbabies
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Nah. Today is definitely October 27th and definitely isn't February 1st.
The Lamonster
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Yep. Clinton and Sanders are BFFs compared to Clinton and Obama during that time.
"You're likable enough, Hillary."
Yeah, it's kind of funny that Clinton supporters are the ones fending off the crazies this year, because Clinton supporters were the crazies in 2008. Shit got ugly.
Could it be like The Boy Who Cried Wolf, though? They screamed the S-word so high, and so often, that when a real D̶e̶m̶o̶c̶r̶a̶t̶i̶c̶ Socialist shows up on stage, it's too late.
Of course, the propaganda only ever worked on the ignore-ant, and that's who the Republican party capitalizes on, like how a parasite tries to absorb itself in a host.
Ziltoidia 9
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If it was Sanders vs Rubio/Walker (I know he is out)/Bush its one thing, but if its Sanders vs Trump, they know sanders would win.
Damerman
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that wasn't my point... my point is that Bernie is the most sincere.... all the others are out to play politics. Bernie talks about solutions to problems, Establishment candidates consider the crazy people in the house as "friends". (see biden quote).
Even paul ryan is catching shit from thos fucking radicals because he compromises with senate leaders and other democrats...
You guys can be pragmatic all you want, i don't blame you... but stop it with the fucking bullshit infighting and the "bernie sander's supporters are racist" scapegoating bullshit. "pie in the sky" this "unrealistic" that. How hard is it for you to demonstrate some kind of self control when it comes to insulting bernie supporters?
She is a bit too hawkish for my taste. But I don't think she is a "stealth neo-con" like many liberals I've heard talk about her. I think she showed restraint during her time at the state dept. she doesn't seem as reactionary as she used to be. (Authorizing force in Iraq) But she could still end up being more aggressive/assertive than Obama. Hopefully she will continue to show restraint for whatever happens next in the world.
Hillary is just getting started, going negative against Sanders will surely help her in the general.
/s/
superdeluxe
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Not trying to evade the question, but is there a link to show what Sander's thoughts on current foreign policies concerns?
Like the poster above states, I'm guessing some will think her hawkish, but that is why I like her.
Past Rumors of Wesley Clark being a possible running mate even makes that more apparent.
Damerman
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seriously... it's quite aggravating when Bernie himself would probably never independent and endorse the shit out of hilary if she gets the nomination.
Joe Shlabotnik
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What he said^^
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