GOP Primary Debate #3 |CNBC| Burning Bush

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ShooterMcTavish said:
Guys once again this has nothing to do with The candidates. Talking about moderators, these people came off like they had a serious left wing objective. The other moderators both cnn and Fox News didn't seem like this.
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You're gonna say they had a left wing objective and pretend they weren't seriously talking about supply side fantasy and c-suite pet issues. GTFOWTS
 
Bowdz said:
Lmao, that's a great way to describe it. Spot on.
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lol, I was like "is this seriously what he's reduced to now?" when I was hearing him debate. Just pandering in the most transparent possible way.

Chie Satonaka said:
It's really hard to believe that at one point, he was the chosen one. People legitimately thought he was going to be a threat for the Presidency. The thought had actually crossed my mind more than once too.
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Trump out-Christie'd Christie. He's louder, he's more boorish, he's sells the "off-the-cuff" gimmick better, he's "less PC" (which we all know is some kind of badge of pride in the GOP now). The air of Christie's "tell it like it is" campaign has been completely sucked out. He's last year's model.
 
EatinOlives said:
Trump out-Christie'd Christie. He's louder, he's more boorish, he's sells the "off-the-cuff" gimmick better, he's "less PC" (which we all know is some kind of badge of pride in the GOP now). The air of Christie's "tell it like it is" campaign has been completely sucked out. He's last year's model.
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Christie also doesn't love Mexicans enough like Trump does. It's a tough love with a careful hand.

That's why they'll pay for the wall.
 
Even amongst all the stupidity one thing stood out as the worst and that is Huckabee's plan to fix the healthcare by curing cancer. Or something. How unrealistic can you be.
 
I don't understand the media narrative that Carson is the new frontrunner. Trump still leads in most polls including a new one today from The Economist/YouGov which had Trump 32% Carson 18%. Plus Trump is doing well in most state polls.
 
OuterLimits said:
I don't understand the media narrative that Carson is the new frontrunner. Trump still leads in most polls including a new one today from The Economist/YouGov which had Trump 32% Carson 18%. Plus Trump is doing well in most state polls.
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He took a swift lead in Iowa "suddenly", and Trump's national lead aggregate has slipped down to the lowest it's been over Carson. So, you know, INSTANT NARRATIVE FOR THE HORSERACE.

Nobody talks about the fact that Lindsey Graham has finally cracked 1% and stayed there.

Makai said:
Lots of conservatives in here. You should join PoliGaf. I don't think we have any left, unless you count Benji.
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Meta's on a break. Don't know when they'll be back.

So is PD for a month.
 
I think the republican's best bet is to have a Rubio/Kasich ticket. I thought that Super Pac line was ridiculous,but I'm sure his base just ate it up like a box of Krispy Kreme.
 
ItIsOkBro said:
Even amongst all the stupidity one thing stood out as the worst and that is Huckabee's plan to fix the healthcare by curing cancer. Or something. How unrealistic can you be.
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I've been wondering about this one since he brought it up a couple of debates ago and why no moderator has really followed up on it. I mean, Huckabee doesn't seem like the kind of guy to spearhead a new March of Dimes. To his credit, he's much better on the issue of immunizations than Rand Paul and Donald Trump.

Huckabee said:
John Kennedy said, "we'll go to the moon in a decade and bring a man back," and we did it. I grew up in the '50s. I remember the polio vaccine. We saved billions of dollars since that time, because we haven't had to treat for polio.
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benjipwns said:
He took a swift lead in Iowa "suddenly", and Trump's national lead aggregate has slipped down to the lowest it's been over Carson. So, you know, INSTANT NARRATIVE FOR THE HORSERACE.

Nobody talks about the fact that Lindsey Graham has finally cracked 1% and stayed there.


Meta's on a break. Don't know when they'll be back.

So is PD for a month.
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I actually think Trump may benefit from debate. Carson didn't do well. Plus he flip flopped on ethanol which won't play well in Iowa.

Remember in most polls Carson and Trump share the same voter pool as many have Trump or Carson as their second choice. If Carson tanks, Trump and Cruz benefit the most.

Rubio took out Bush and will get a nice boost. Only thing that might limit it some is Christie did well and may get a small boost.

Or I could be completely wrong. Lol.

I also think Harwood is going to get slammed for his statement at end of the debate saying it was always 2 hours. Considering a gazillion articles were written about Cnbc wanting 3 hours and Ben and Trump complaining.

Shit like that just gives Republicans legit ammo on their media hates us routine.
 
Draconian said:
So when are they going to start cutting candidates from these debates?
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Hopefully soon. Kasich likely got knocked out by Trump tonight. Trump got Kasich saying he loved being a banker. Jeb got knocked out by Rubio. Rand was irrelevant and Huckabee basically seemed to endorse Trump.

Next debate should be in my opinion just Trump, Rubio, Carson, Cruz, and maybe Fiorina and Christie. Everyone else at kiddie table.
 
Someone should go back in time and tell Jeb! that he will someday be killed on national tv by a man who doesn't know how to drink water.
 
I honestly don't see Jeb Bush recovering from this and could see a lot of his donors going to Rubio. He put on a good debate and had a Presidential vibe that others don't have.

A Rubio VS Hillary really would be more challenging for Hillary compared to any other Republican candidate.

I still want Trump to win the nomination
 
Christie had a funny line about it being rude to interrupt him even by New Jersey standards. Didn't he ask Harwood if he wanted to answer the question or something similar?
 
I was thinking more about Jeb! and the ridiculous questions they handed him. A fantasy football question!? Christie was right to mention the absurdity, even if it was a semi-topical question. This is a Presidential debate! It's at least current events, and anyone who's watched 2 minutes of an NFL game this year knows about the explosion of "daily fantasy". Someone allegedly 7-0 in his league sure as hell knows about the controversy.

Softball to start, but I realize it's an easy states' rights question. "The feds don't need to regulate it! The states can deal with it, like Nevada, or New York! The same way lotteries work!"
That's the standard go-to Republican answer for freaking everything but it hardly came up tonight. Everyone is apparently comfortable enough blaming the media for everything.
Big Green Anus said:
A Rubio VS Hillary really would be more challenging for Hillary compared to any other Republican candidate.
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He's the most challenging on paper, yeah, but that's still not saying much at this point.
 
Azure Dream said:
This already happened.

This is why they attacked the Middle East.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA_NttxA2ac
Sean Hannity closed his debate analysis with this:

You know I got to tell you something. Between the comments of Ted Cruz tonight, and the comments of Marco Rubio tonight and the comments of Chris Christie tonight and the comments of Mike Huckabee tonight, you know, I’m looking at The Drudge Report and “The debate was an encyclopedic example of liberal media bias.” You know what? This is going to go down in history as a really bad night for the media.”
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...rs-who-allowed-cnbc-moderate-debate-should-be
former Attorney General Ed Meese said the leaders of the Republican National Committee who allowed CNBC to moderate the debate should be condemned.

"After 15 minutes it was clear that this was not a debate, but a verbal shooting gallery set up by CNBC, with the targets the Republican candidates and the shooters their biased antagonists from the press,” said Meese.

“Ted Cruz accurately described what was going on,” he said. “Whoever selected the ‘moderators’ should be fired and the RNC leaders who allowed it should be condemned.”
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Colin Hanna of Let Freedom Ring was just as critical.

“The CNBC moderators were much more interested in trying to disqualify all of the candidates than in providing any one of them the opportunity to explain their plans and programs to the American people,” said Hanna. “Many of them were nothing more than the ‘when did you stop beating your wife?’ type of question that is the diametric opposite of responsible journalism.”
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Erick Erickson of Red State described CNBC’s performance as a “disgrace.”

“CNBC could have saved themselves and the Republican Party a lot of money by hiring actual monkeys to fling their pooh at the candidates. This was a disgrace,” he said. :There are a lot of good people who work at CNBC and they must be deeply embarrassed tonight. In a press room surrounded by liberals, everyone was openly acknowledging just how terrible this debate is.”
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The first portion of the debate was alright, mostly valid questions with the exception of the cheap, stupid question for Trump, and then it got worse by the minute. They lost control and respect from both candidates and crowd, and this will look pretty bad on them.
The audience and CNBC wanted a shitshow to a certain extent, but not this complete mess. Some questions were poorly worded, but most of them were simple character attacks or cheap 'gotcha' ones. There's a difference between giving the candidates opportunities to attack each other and taking up that role entirely. It certainly didn't help that the delivery was pretty obnoxious.
 
benjipwns said:
It's not impossible. Dig up ones from say 1988, both parties handled it just fine with eight plus candidates.

What you do is pose one question to all candidates, let them all briefly answer, and then they can bat it back and forth a bit with the moderator directing or move on if they all agree/some allotment of minutes is up.

Instead what they're doing here is shit like:
Mr. Trump: "why did you go bankrupt?"
Senator Rubio: "why did you have to get a loan for your house?"
Mrs. Fiorinia: "did you destroy HP just to watch it burn?"
Governor Jeb!: "should we regulate fantasy football?"
Governor Huckabee: "is Donald Trump worse than Hitler?"
Governor Kasich: "why is Ohio better than Florida?"
and then trying to shut down any other candidates (except the ones they want to) responding.

They were even doing this in the JV debate.
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You don't even have to go back to 1988. This is exactly how the 2008 Dem debates were run. Issue question, everybody gets a turn, then responses.

Granted, they got cut down to size a little faster.
 
Damn man I just realized Ted Cruz joked about getting high and it's not even a thing.

Jeb talked about kissing a man.

These guys are moving forward.
 
pigeon said:
You don't even have to go back to 1988. This is exactly how the 2008 Dem debates were run. Issue question, everybody gets a turn, then responses.

Granted, they got cut down to size a little faster.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_debates,_2008#Debate_table
I always lol at how many there were for 2008. Even well before the Hillary/Obama battle really settled in.

It was the July 12th one where Hillary and Edwards were caught talking about needing to get rid of the "non-serious" candidates like Gravel and Kucinich and Dodd.
 
Washington Post slammed cnbc mods, calling them one of the losers of the debate. Saying some of the questions seemed gotcha, and they kept talking over the candidates

Calling it a major debacle and a black eye for NBC.

Jeb Bush and Carson were also on losers list with cnbc.

Winners were Ted Cruz, Rubio, Christie and Trump.

So if other media outlets are trashing Cnbc, it appears the Republicans may win the media hates us argument this time.
 
OuterLimits said:
Washington Post slammed cnbc mods, calling them one of the losers of the debate. Saying some of the questions seemed gotcha, and they kept talking over the candidates

Calling it a major debacle and a black eye for NBC.

Jeb Bush and Carson were also on losers list with cnbc.

Winners were Ted Cruz, Rubio, Christie and Trump.

So if other media outlets are trashing Cnbc, it appears the Republicans may win the media hates us argument this time.
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Emphasis on appears. They're not winning anything. The moderators at any debate will continue to toss controversial questions at them regarding their record or comments whether they like it or not and they'll have to address them. It's common sense, pertinent and it provides ratings that some whining here or there won't change. The moment candidates deflect and play the blame game with the "evil media" is the moment the debate starts to go to shit in the back-and-forths. It doesn't just look bad on the "evil media", it looks bad on the quality of the debate overall too. Candidates start to push the limits on what they can get away with in the deflect game, disrespect the moderators etc -- lovely chaos. It's not like everybody sees their deflect game like people of the GOP base do. Since the base eats this nonsense of "evil biased media" like chocolate candy, base candidates like Trump, Carson and Cruz stand to gain...not so much the establishments clowns that can't hover past 1%. The more substantive the debate is, the better the debate for establishment candidates. The less substantive, the greater the chaos, the worse the GOP will be overall (vs. Dems). Look at Rubio and Jeb, establishments puppets (and seasoned politicians - popular in establishment circles) that can't get a lead on joke candidates. GOP in disarray at debates is the perfect representation of the party America needs to see since that party is complicit in all that BS they have planted over the last 8 years or so to get Congress on lock - and they succeeded I might add.

Let them play that "media blame" game and trap themselves. It gave us Trump vs. Fox, debate #1. The alternative is to let the candidates battle it out with specific open-group questions and we know how debate #2 turned out ...... can't fix the clown bus.
 
Is CNBC usually more left-wing as a whole? I'd be surprised, seeing as they're a financial channel. From the little I saw yesterday (the two debates and the panel in-between), they seemed to be right-leaning if anything, with one of the panelists outright scaring me. If the "liberal bias" narrative is about the questions being setups to corner, expose and rile up, -- that's been pretty much the case with every debate so far, some just were less subtle about it.

It's one thing to add zest to your flat tax plan by invoking (thankfully) forgotten traditions, it's another to muse about getting rid of subsidies altogether for basically no reason other than a lack of understanding of the foundations of institutions in large societies. No matter where you're standing ideologically, that's a degree of crazy you'd want laid open by the media, either to laugh or to avoid being the laughingstock.
 
1.) Cruz - he was sharp tonight, had the best laugh lines, and had the audience in his pocket.
2.) Rubio - Took the heat well from mods and other candidates.
3.) Carson - I still am troubled by his popularity, but his fans will be pleased.
4.) Trump - See Carson above. Same shit, different toilet.
5.) Fiorina - A step back from last time, but she did her usual thing alright.
6.) Paul - Umm, is he running for President or raising awareness for his budget filibuster?
7.) Kasick - Tried to derail Trump/Carson train as the grownup in the room, but generally failed.
8.) Christie - A few decent laugh lines, but he's too bellicose and blustering to appeal to anyone.
9.) Huckabee - Pathetic pandering for senior votes.
10).) Jeb! - Who's Jeb? Jeb's dead, babe, Jeb's dead.
 
GnawtyDog said:
Emphasis on appears. They're not winning anything. The moderators at any debate will continue to toss controversial questions at them regarding their record or comments whether they like it or not and they'll have to address them. It's common sense, pertinent and it provides ratings some whine here or there won't change. The moment candidates deflect and play the blame game with the "evil media" is the moment the debate starts to go to shit in the back-and-forths. It doesn't just look bad on the "evil media", it looks bad on the quality of the debate overall too. Not everybody sees their deflect game like some in their base do. Since the base eats this nonsense of "evil biased media" like chocolate candy, base candidates like Trump, Carson and Cruz stand to gain...not so much the establishments clowns that can't hover past 1%. The more substantive the debate is, the better the debate for establishment candidates. The less substantive, the greater the chaos, the worse the GOP will be overall. Look at Rubio and Jeb, establishments puppets (and seasoned politicians - popular in establishment circles) that can't get a lead on joke candidates. GOP in disarray at debates is the perfect representation of the party America needs to see since that party is complicit in all that BS they have planted over the last 8 years or so to get Congress on lock - and they succeeded might I add.

Let them play that "media blame" game and trap themselves. It gave us Trump vs. Fox, debate #1. The alternative is to let the candidates battle it out with specific open-group questions and we know how debate #2 turned out ...... can't fix the clown bus.
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You do realize if mainstream outlets like Washington Post are calling out Cnbc, they probably did a shit job right? Asking Trump if he is a comic book campaign. How is that related to economic issues? Asking Huckabee if Trump has the moral authority to run country. Asking Jeb why he is falling in polls. Rubio cashing in a retirement fund and paying a fine. I thought this debate was about the economy?

Let's be honest. If they asked shit questions like that in a Democrat debate, Liberals would be raging.
 
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