GOP Primary Debate #3 |CNBC| Burning Bush

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benjipwns said:
Rick Perry.
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Everyone forgets him.

On the mods I don't get the complaints now after this debate when there didn't seem to be as many after the last debate. It felt like CNN did a lot more of the "Christie, Ron Paul said you suck. Care to comment?" that everyone is complaining about now. Hardly seems like "liberal media bias" and more like "This will get better ratings if it's a circus with trump at the center". Problem being the mods had no spine to back any of it up.
 
Watched the whole thing and found it pretty entertaining.

Cruz - for some reason I like him. Perhaps it's his authenticity, his balls, feels like he will never ever stop and I admire or am fascinated by anyone with that fanatical zeal.

Rubio - he is slick and smart but there is something dead behind his little squirrel eyes.

Christie - good points made, but like kasich too desperate for campaign oxygen.

Bush - dead man walking. Love how Christie ripped his shit for waffling on about fantasy football.

Trump - bored.

Carson - token.

Rand - logical.

Fiorani - robot.

Kasich - angry.
 
OuterLimits said:
You do realize if mainstream outlets like Washington Post are calling out Cnbc, they probably did a shit job right? Asking Trump if he is a comic book campaign. How is that related to economic issues? Asking Huckabee if Trump has the moral authority to run country. Asking Jeb why he is falling in polls. Rubio cashing in a retirement fund and paying a fine. I thought this debate was about the economy?

Let's be honest. If they asked shit questions like that in a Democrat debate, Liberals would be raging.
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I am not endorsing the moderators nor their questions. I prefer the style of debate #2 in general. Not that it matters what I think.

GOP debates = chaos = ratings = the expectation. They can cry all they want. How about the base not putting joke candidates on top of the polls instead? Ohh that's right - they want those jokes candidates on stage - who themselves can't complete a coherence sentence on issues and who happen to attack and say literally shit all campaign long everywhere they go.....And the expectation is a substantive debate? Lol it's playing exactly like it should - it's natural. Crying foul is the ultimate hypocrisy.

The moderators did touch on economic issues unless we also happen to suffer from selective bias like Ted and Marco. A big chunk of the questioning was on tax plans, social security, medicare etc...

So the mods got somewhat greedy and threw some controversial shit their way....sometimes the shit is dressed with whip cream but it's still fundamentally shit questions. CNBC forgot to add whip cream that's all. All of the debates thus far had a fair share of shit questions with whip cream in spades, GOP debate 1-3, DNC debate 1.

I saw no one throwing fits at how the Democratic debate started, going after Hillary asking her to address claims of flip flopping and the narrative that Hillary "says and adopts anything to get elected". How about "are you Obama's third term?". How about Anderson Cooper legitimizing the Benghazi hearing which we know is a sham to force her to respond his question on Benghazi when she tried to deflect by pointing it was a sham??? They went after her e-mails but Bernie shut it down too. Plus other things on Bernie's record and O'Malley's.... just because whip cream is added on top doesn't change the core of the product.

This is the GOP crying foul when the media recognizes them for the jokes that they are and exploits them for maximum gain aka ratings.
 
CNBC fucked up. Not only were the questions ridiculous at times, the tone of the moderators were immediately argumentative. That comic book question.... WTF. Rubio made a personal financial mistake... Can we trust him with a national debt that he no doubt will be solving himself and not using dozens of financial advisors to help. I don't know if this was liberal bias in media or simply them looking for viral headlines. Embarrassing and horrible.

Most of the candidates themselves also looked like talk show personalities at times, being overly animated and extreme as well. I can't imagine over half of them giving any kind of presidential speech and being taken seriously by anyone

I can see why Ben Carson heads some polls. Regardless if you agree with anything he says, he sounds level headed and not like he is a media personality. He has a calm and more presidential demeanor.

Trump, Carson, Rubio and Carly are the top candidates. Rubio being the only electable candidate to me
 
The moderators weren't shit because of some sort of liberal bias. They're financial journalists on CNBC. They were just shit because they were shit, and CNBC clearly wanted some of the fireworks the other debates have gotten to pull audiences.
 
Yeah I mean the pre-debate panel was talking about how the Colorado college kids might think twice about voting Democrat because they'll like all the good things the GOP candidates would have to say about lowering the corporate tax rate.

Calling them liberals, or having any sort of finger of the pulse of American liberalism, seems a dicey proposition.
 
shinra-bansho said:
The moderators weren't shit because of some sort of liberal bias. They're financial journalists on CNBC. They were just shit because they were shit, and CNBC clearly wanted some of the fireworks the other debates have gotten to pull audiences.
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it was strange because they are indeed financial journalists. I thought they did a great job at the kiddie debate.

Suddenly at the main debate they forgot they were supposed to ask economic questions. Apparently comic book campaign, gun free zones, moral authority, and other silly topics were the big questions that needed to be asked.
 
There were questions about tax plans.
The answers to which were generally pretty dumb. (Carson tried to explain his flat tax by multiplying it by US GDP, then also applying it to corporations, and capital gains?)
Cruz's rant about the media was after a question about opposition to raising the debt ceiling.
There were questions about entitlements.

And there were a bunch of gotcha questions or goading questions, but there have been in past debates too.

And there were a bunch of CNBC-centric questions, as this TPM editor's blog puts it:
I think a big reason the debate was so weird was that so many of the questions were based on obscurantist and myopic CNBC nonsense - which is not only far-right and identified with great wealth but specifically owned by the bubble of Wall Street. That led to a lot of odd questions - like Jim Cramer's saying why aren't GM execs going to jail, Santelli's wild questions or that question about fantasy football. Lots of people are into fantasy football. But whether it's betting and whether it should be regulated, that's a Wall Streeter question - in the same way huge amounts of the money that gets pushed through political betting sites comes off Wall Street. It's hard for Republicans to say this. But I think this is a significant reason why the debate seemed so odd. And it made it kind of odd to hear anti-liberal bias attacks on the moderators when they were asking questions like shouldn't the Fed be forced to take us back to the gold standard.
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The format would also probably work better if they'd cut more of the chaff into the kiddie table. But really, they were just shit moderators, like halfway through they literally forget their own rules about format.
 
Cramer's question confused me because I wasn't paying full attention, but I just looked at the transcript and now I'm even more confused:
Governor Christie, there has been a lot of political rhetoric that some bank executives should have gone to jail for the 2008 financial crisis.

But General Motors paid more than $1 billion in fines and settlements for its ignition switch defect. One hundred and twenty- four people died as a result of these faulty switches. No one went to jail.

As a former prosecutor, do you believe the people responsible for the switch and the cover-up belong behind bars?
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What does the first part have to do with the rest? Why is that "but"?

And who would answer no to the actual question?
 
HARWOOD: Governor John Kasich, you’ve called for abolishing the Export Import Bank, which provides subsidies to help American companies compete with overseas competitors. You call that corporate welfare.

One of the largest newspapers in your state wrote an editorial, said they found that strange, writing, that if that’s corporate welfare, what does Kasich call the millions of dollars in financial incentives doled out to attract or retain jobs by his development effort — jobs Ohio.

If subsidies are good enough for Ohio companies, why aren’t they good enough for companies trying to compete overseas?

KASICH: Well, first of all, when we talk about the Import Export Bank, it’s time to clean up corporate welfare. If we’re gonna reform welfare for poor people, we ought to reform it for rich people, as well. Secondly, in our state, we went from a loss of 350,000 jobs to, now, a gain of 347,000 jobs to the positive. Our wages are growing faster than the national average, and I’ve cut taxes more than any sitting governor in this state — $5 billion, including no taxes on small business and killing the death tax.
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Wait...what?
 
benjipwns said:
Cramer's question confused me because I wasn't paying full attention, but I just looked at the transcript and now I'm even more confused:

What does the first part have to do with the rest? Why is that "but"?

And who would answer no to the actual question?
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It's Jim Cramer, he's still salty no one likes Wall Street bankers anymore.
 
Ugh, already seeing conservatives post on my Facebook about how right Ted Cruz is about the 'liberal media' and how unfair the questions were.
Maybe if the candidates didn't say or do stupid shit that needed explaining, then those questions wouldn't have needed to be asked.
 
Jetman said:
Ugh, already seeing conservatives post on my Facebook about how right Ted Cruz is about the 'liberal media' and how unfair the questions were.
Maybe if the candidates didn't say or do stupid shit that needed explaining, then those questions wouldn't have needed to be asked.
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I actually agree though, and I don't buy the "librul MSM" thing. Questions were shitty, gotcha questions. Felt that the last two moderators were better.

That said- this was a hugely enjoyable watch.
 
Jetman said:
Ugh, already seeing conservatives post on my Facebook about how right Ted Cruz is about the 'liberal media' and how unfair the questions were.
Maybe if the candidates didn't say or do stupid shit that needed explaining, then those questions wouldn't have needed to be asked.
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CNBC is at fault. The ridiculous questions allowed the narrative to change from crappy answers to crappy questions. Palin used this tactic back in the day and it worked. Shouldn't have done this

The candidates will naturally fight amongst themselves and try to avoid answers by pushing talking points. Many of them are characters and it will be unavoidable. CNBC doesn't need to provoke them or have many "gotchas." Just questions that would lead to good answers if they actually bothered to answer, and moderation to help drive their responses to the actual question. Leave the smug elitist attitude at home.

The debate reminded me if elitist apple users were able to interview Microsoft execs (or the reverse). Or tough job interview questions designed to rattle the person and think quick rather than give quality answers. No place for this on the presidential stage. Feeding the war and not the discussion. Straight trolling
 
Future said:
CNBC is at fault. The ridiculous questions allowed the narrative to change from crappy answers to crappy questions. Palin used this tactic back in the day and it worked. Shouldn't have done this

The candidates will naturally fight amongst themselves and try to avoid answers by pushing talking points. Many of them are characters and it will be unavoidable. CNBC doesn't need to provoke them or have many "gotchas." Just questions that would lead to good answers if they actually bothered to answer, and moderation to help drive their responses to the actual question. Leave the smug elitist attitude at home.

The debate reminded me if elitist apple users were able to interview Microsoft execs (or the reverse). Or tough job interview questions designed to rattle the person and think quick rather than give quality answers. No place for this on the presidential stage. Feeding the war and not the discussion. Straight trolling
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Seems like a match made in heaven for a field of contenders(lol) who are more trolls than candidates.
 
Bunch of fucking cry babies complaining about the liberal media and moderators. The Republican Party continues to look worse and worse by the minute.
 
Future said:
CNBC is at fault. The ridiculous questions allowed the narrative to change from crappy answers to crappy questions. Palin used this tactic back in the day and it worked. Shouldn't have done this

The candidates will naturally fight amongst themselves and try to avoid answers by pushing talking points. Many of them are characters and it will be unavoidable. CNBC doesn't need to provoke them or have many "gotchas." Just questions that would lead to good answers if they actually bothered to answer, and moderation to help drive their responses to the actual question. Leave the smug elitist attitude at home.

The debate reminded me if elitist apple users were able to interview Microsoft execs (or the reverse). Or tough job interview questions designed to rattle the person and think quick rather than give quality answers. No place for this on the presidential stage. Feeding the war and not the discussion. Straight trolling
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Hmm, yeah, I see what you're saying, but I think it is the media's job to ask questions to glean answers for a public who can't ask those themselves. The other debates tried to put Trump on the spot for his comments on Fiorina or Bush, why did those not get 'boos'? Because he's a big boy and can defend himself?
Carson getting called out on his 10% flat tax numbers, then his 15% numbers was something that needed to be stated and asked. I didn't know about his involvement with this snake oil Mannatech company - if I'm a voter, I'd like to know that a candidate running on the prestige of his medical profession did that. Even if I was a republican.
 
Jetman said:
Hmm, yeah, I see what you're saying, but I think it is the media's job to ask questions to glean answers for a public who can't ask those themselves. The other debates tried to put Trump on the spot for his comments on Fiorina or Bush, why did those not get 'boos'? Because he's a big boy and can defend himself?
Carson getting called out on his 10% flat tax numbers, then his 15% numbers was something that needed to be stated and asked. I didn't know about his involvement with this snake oil Mannatech company - if I'm a voter, I'd like to know that a candidate running on the prestige of his medical profession did that. Even if I was a republican.
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Those were fine. But then they go ahead and ask huckster if trump can be a moral leader~ most of the shotty questions were in that vein.
 
ambientric said:
Christie - good points made, but like kasich too desperate for campaign oxygen.
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Christie's "good points" were mostly fake. Bernie Sanders has never said he would tax "everyone" at 90%, though he had mentioned the 90% tax rate on the WEALTHY and noted that it did save the economy.

In addition he fear mongered idiots who don't follow the news by saying that Obama was disrespectful to police officers this week when Obama went and spoke with police chiefs who pretty overwhelmingly agreed with everything he said because he was kissing their ass, saying that today's culture of smartphones trying to catch otherwise good police in the act is harming their ability to do their job. Or in Fox News terms, "disrespekful!!!"

ambientric said:
Bush - dead man walking. Love how Christie ripped his shit for waffling on about fantasy football.
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I found this funniest for conservatives to disregard. Did they forget that gambling needs to be regulated, to prevent fixing and insider trading, which is what DraftKings and FanDuels are involved in? Chris Christie "ripping his shit" missed the entire fucking point. This is a current event that is developing, there was no glorious Chris Christie moment here for any thinking American.
 
KDR_11k said:
Lol, please don't tell me that's the real slogan of this election...
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Your money your vote?

Disgusting.

I actually liked trumps closing statements. Moments like this is when i forget i should hate him because i hate the what political establishment and main Stream media even more
 
Irobot82 said:
Being that this was help in Colorado, was there any questions on Cannabis? How did the idiot Christie respond?
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Kasich got that question. He said we can't send mixed messages to kids about drugs and we need to keep fighting overdose problems.


...yeah...

Edit: Fuck you autocorrect. Kasich is not "ladies" lol
 
RDreamer said:
Ladies got that question. He said we can't send mixed messages to kids about drugs and we need to keep fighting overdose problems.


...yeah...
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I better put down my 30lb blunt because I don't want to overdose on Cannabis!

Edit: Mixed messages, like TAKE THIS ADDERAL and ANTI-DEPRESSENT it's good for you!!! That dumb fat fuck.
 
PBY said:
Those were fine. But then they go ahead and ask huckster if trump can be a moral leader~ most of the shotty questions were in that vein.
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Exactly. There were ok questions in here. But too many that makes everyone groan allowing republicans to twist the narrative.

Like pressing Carson of why his picture is on a website. Who gives a fuck, we all know he doesn't keep track of everywhere his likeness is used. And it was a gotcha designed to showcase his views on homosexuality, which isn't even a topic for the "your money, your vote" focus of the debate.
 
Irobot82 said:
Being that this was help in Colorado, was there any questions on Cannabis? How did the idiot Christie respond?
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Cruz at one point offered to buy one of the moderators a "famous Colorado brownie." Other than that there was a direct question about it to Kasich that he avoided like the plague.

Edit: Forgot about Kasich talking about overdose.
 
Irobot82 said:
I better put down my 30lb blunt because I don't want to overdose on Cannabis!

Edit: Mixed messages, like TAKE THIS ADDERAL and ANTI-DEPRESSENT it's good for you!!! That dumb fat fuck.
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Didn't see the autocorrect on my phone. Kasich got the marijuana question. He said what I posted.
 
RDreamer said:
Bunch of fucking cry babies complaining about the liberal media and moderators. The Republican Party continues to look worse and worse by the minute.
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IMO your in the minority in that assertion, most people including democrats this morning are all saying the same thing, that the mods and CNBC looked like total shit. and the Candidates came away looking more like actual white house hopefuls.
 
Woke up today still laughing how badly Rubio pantsed Bush last night. You know the Bush camp had to just throw up their hands in frustration. Getting worked by his old protégé. 😂😂

But these are the same idiots who thought Bush using a newspaper attack line against Rubio was a great idea.

It's going to be Rubio vs Hillary.
 
Irobot82 said:
Being that this was help in Colorado, was there any questions on Cannabis?
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It goes on and on. We could do a whole show on it.
QUINTANILLA: OK. Thank you, Senator. Governor Kasich, let’s talk about marijuana. We’re broadcasting from Colorado which has seen $150 million in new revenue for the state since legalizing last year. Governor Hickenlooper is not a big fan of legalization, but he’s said the people who used to be smoking it are still smoking it, they’re just now paying taxes.

Given the budget pressures in Ohio, and other states, is this a revenue stream you’d like to have?

KASICH: Well, first of all, we’re running a $2 billion dollar surplus, we’re not having a revenue problem right now. And, sending mixed signals to kids about drugs is a disaster. Drugs is one of the greatest scourge in this country, and I spent five years of my administration working with my team to do a whole sort of things to try to reign in the problem of overdoses, and it goes on and on. We could do a whole show on that.

I want to go back for a second thought on this issue of income inequality. My program would move the 104 programs of the federal Department of Education into four block grants, and send them back to the states because income inequality is driven by a lack of skills when kids don’t get what they need to be able to compete and win in this country.

The fact is, in order to get this economy moving again, I call for freezing regulations for a year except for the problem of public safety. I believe that we need to cut these taxes down, we need to be on a roadmap to balancing the budget, and we need to send power, money, and influence, the welfare department, the education department, job training, infrastructure, Medicaid, all of that out of Washington back to the states so we can run these programs from where we live to the top, not a one size fits all mentality that they have in Washington.

And, that will get to the nub of opportunity for our children, and an ability to see wages rise. Again…

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KASICH: …One more time, in Ohio, our wages are growing faster than the national average. We’ve cut taxes, balanced budgets, changed the regulatory environment. Folks, you want to —

QUINTANILLA: Thank you, Governor.

KASICH: — fix America, this is the formula. It worked for Reagan and it works for our team in Ohio. Thank you.

QUINTANILLA: Thank you. We’ll be back from Boulder, Colorado in just a moment.
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Future said:
Exactly. There were ok questions in here. But too many that makes everyone groan allowing republicans to twist the narrative.

Like pressing Carson of why his picture is on a website. Who gives a fuck, we all know he doesn't keep track of everywhere his likeness is used. And it was a gotcha designed to showcase his views on homosexuality, which isn't even a topic for the "your money, your vote" focus of the debate.
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You're mixing up two questions. One was about the company Carson was on the board of being very friendly to gay people, which makes sense as a question in the republican primary. The website thing was when he was pressed on the fact that he was involved with/possibly endorsed what was a snake oil company. That was when he answered "That's propaganda. I wasn't involved with them. I did some speeches for them."
 
Bowler said:
IMO your in the minority in that assertion, most people including democrats this morning are all saying the same thing, that the mods and CNBC looked like total shit.
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Agreed that they looked like shit, but they shouldn't be acting that way over "liberal bias." These guys are running for president. They better be ready to answer those same questions if they win the nomination. So my view is that the moderators looked bad, but the republicans still looked like babies.
 
Bowler said:
IMO your in the minority in that assertion, most people including democrats this morning are all saying the same thing, that the mods and CNBC looked like total shit. and the Candidates came away looking more like actual white house hopefuls.
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Well, I wouldn't go that far. The moderators looked like shit, but I don't think it made the candidates look any better. Whining about unfair moderation is still pretty lame. It's not like being President is easy.
 
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