Askherserenity
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We've seen pictures/videos of dialogue with another NPC and it looks just like that one.
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We've seen pictures/videos of dialogue with another NPC and it looks just like that one.
Denton
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Posts like these make me sad. I mean there are hundreds of games where you can shoot things. But Fallout is very specifically about role playing. Fallout 1 and 2 set the template, which was fantastic, and which sequels should ideally adhere to. New Vegas even managed that in 3D AAA space. Bethesda is regressing, and people who enjoy more than just shooting are disheartened by that.
Summer Haze
Banned
This. I don't give a fuck about other RPGs, I want to spend five minutes talking to random NPCs like in F03/NV, dammit! Lol.
Pilgrimzero
Member
Same. Don't need to be told your whole entire backstory dude, The Wasteland sucks I get it. I got my own problems, you seen my dad? Sounds like Liam Neeson. No? OK so, You'll pay me to find the Ghoul that stole your toy car? Got it! I do need cash. Lets do this!
Zombie James
Banned
Which, again, wasn't a problem for an eight-year-old last-gen game.
Solid Samus
Banned
If the cells on the Pip Boy map are as large as they were in Fallout 3, then going by a comparison made on Reddit, Fallout 4's map is almost four times larger than Fallout 3's - nearly two times larger in both dimensions.
It's also a lot more densely packed with locations, and the locations themselves are more unique and distinct from one another in terms of both aesthetics and loot found therein, apparently.
??????? (Y)
(X) What. The fuck. (B)
.............. (A) Is this.
I still don't know why they decided to add voice actors to characters. I'm sure that the dialogue wheel was incorporated so that they didn't have to pay the VAs as much as they would have if they added all the dialogue options from previous games.
Screaming Meat
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I'm aware of that. I just don't see the point in building and roleplaying a speech based character if I'm not able to get into lengthy chats with characters sans speech checks.
Not really. Most are bummed out but probably optimistic, it's not like anyone's calling the game dead in the water or anything. Only a couple of "pre-order cancelled" posts too.
Which is good, cause pre-ordering is stupid
I've pre-ordered the game
More_Badass
Member
Have we seen any pics of dialogue from later in the game? A bit unfair to compare a tutorial dialogue to later game dialogues
The first dialogues in Fallout 3 and New Vegas only had three choices
The first dialogues in Fallout 3 and New Vegas only had three choices
Cpt.Underpants
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??????? (Y)
(X) What. The fuck. (B)
.............. (A) Is this.
This is like a backwards somersault instead of a step forward. Yikes
Darkstorne
Member
It all depends how it's handled. Fallout 4's system could be fine if the "triangle / y" button led to the NPCs saying different things each time, so that rather than being able to exhaust every character's dialogue in a single interaction there'd be incentive to talk to everyone again on subsequent visits to a town. I think that'd be a huge improvement for the game.
Of course, if it just means they still always say the same things, just much less of the same things now, then yeah that's a huge step back.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
The FO3 character on the far right is early on, he's in the first town outside Vault 101.
Zombie James
Banned
The person on that Spanish message board has been playing for over 20 hours.
Askherserenity
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Which is a hard decision for Bethesda to make I guess. You of course want to keep some things close to your chest but maybe they've been a bit too secretive. We haven't seen anything at all until now and it's kinda backfiring on them.
But people are spending 60 moneys on this and 30 for the season pass...we should sorta know what we're getting into. A lot of Fallout players play the game for the world building and dialogue/role playing aspects of the game, I think it's perfectly OK if they're upset from what we've seen so far.
mysteriousmage09
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Starting to remind me of the old rpgcodex review for Oblivion with the tremendous amounts of dumbing down from Morrowind. Specifically the dialogue and choices you could make.
http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=129
I specifically love this quote, followed by the "decisions" the game automatically made for you.
Now it seems the bar is dropping even further.
http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=129
I specifically love this quote, followed by the "decisions" the game automatically made for you.
Now it seems the bar is dropping even further.
EmCeeGramr
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Have we seen any pics of dialogue from later in the game? A bit unfair to compare a tutorial dialogue to later game dialogues
The first dialogues in Fallout 3 and New Vegas only had three choices
Yes, and it looks the same.
They're not suddenly going to create a giant diagram of the controller or keyboard and give you twenty choices, when the obvious point of this system is to streamline it.
I've been playing Trails in the Sky SC for the past couple of days, and NPCs in that game have something new to say after like every single fucking cutscene, it's insane.
Something like that would be really cool in Fallout
FullMetalx117
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It seems like Bethesda is taking the more practical approach this time around in terms of dialogue.
This is beyond wrong. Each VA voiced over 13,000 lines of dialogue. That's more than most games. The entire game has over 111k lines of dialogue, almost 4x times that of TW3. More than Skyrim and FO3 combined.
They spend over 3 years with the lead VAs for the game. Most games spend only a few months at the end of development.
Whatever reason they chose this style of conversation, it's not because they cheaped out on the VA.
Well, their system seems to be designed to show four short options at once corresponding to the face buttons on the controller. Maybe later you get a "More info..." option on one of them, but I assume not.
Also even those examples you posted were better than the FO4 options. In Fallout 4 it would be
(B) NOT A FOOL (A) THANKS (X) BORED
and
(B) MY PRIVACY (A) THANKS (X) WHAT NEXT
One of the complaints that people keep throwing around in this thread is that the adjusted dialog system meant any kind of Speech Challenge was gone from game. That is obviously not true.
You have seen the dialog from the first section of the game where presumably choice is limited because why wouldn't it be, of interaction with Codsworth and a few seconds of interaction from a Fallout Shelter update. Anything else has been static photos of quest givers. Everyone has then somehow sussed out the entire complexity of the dialog system based on ONE person who had to correct themselves and update their impressions.
The Bethesda Fallout series? Of which there has been one game produced by them. If this were Call of Duty and the next game out was a card game, you might be forgiven for railing that the developers aren't respecting history. Their last Fallout game was 7 years ago. They are allowed to iterate on the property.
And this all ignores that the previous two Fallout games weren't particularly deep in the dialog itself. All it did was throw a bunch of text at you that you could click through at your hearts content and be as inconsistent in your tone as you wanted. It wasn't a sacred calf that was integral to the overall gameplay. All it did was allow you to choose one of a few flavor texts that often had no impact and just satisfied RP purposes. That doesn't make the new system "dumbed down" - it makes it streamlined to fit with their desire for a voiced protag.
You can all pat yourselves on the back at how your preference for a largely meaningless system in the previous games make your tastes somehow more evolved than others who don't see a problem with the dialog wheel (especially given how we've not seen much of it), but that doesn't make it anymore legit.
Coreda
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Not sure why there are so many surprised posts. It's been known the dialog options looked like this since earlier gameplay trailers.
The dialog is bound to 4 buttons to be cross-platform friendly, so presumably throughout the game a maximum of only 4 dialog options will be available.
The dialog is bound to 4 buttons to be cross-platform friendly, so presumably throughout the game a maximum of only 4 dialog options will be available.
gabrielt16
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I want to clarify that I am an RPG fan but with Fallout 3 and New Vegas I just have 0 interest in the dialogue of each individual NPC. I can dig quest with background story but having to know every single detail of each NPC is just a chore to me. There are a hundred shooters I can play just to shoot things but none of those give me the experience that Fallout does. I like the role playing aspect of the game and its great, but with Fallout I just want the essential dialogue and thats it. If they put the lore in books a la skyrim then I would be more inclined to read those than to hear NPCs talk.
And i like to think that roleplaying in general is more than just having an endless list of dialog options to choose from with NPCs.
Solid Samus
Banned
If by 'more practical' you mean 'decidedly the least Fallout-y route they could possibly have taken for their dialogue systems' then sure, shit's about as practical as it gets
Not really? We just had someone declare the game to reach an all time low in writing quality based on one screenshot.
BoosterDuck
Banned
maybe right trigger shows you more dialogue options and left trigger shows your previously spoken dialogue
or maybe I'm wrong
or maybe I'm wrong
Solid Samus
Banned
They're abrasive as fuck but they're right more often then a lot of people give 'em credit for...
and by god I bet that place is in fucking SHAMBLES right now
Darkstorne
Member
I think people were expecting a big boost to map size given it's a new hardware generation. Skyrim was also roughly the same size as Oblivion. The REALLY fascinating thing is that they justified the similar map size in Skyrim by saying "Sure, it's about the same size as Oblivion, but it has loads of mountains now which add verticality and slopes to the game, so there's actually a lot more land to explore because of the huge variations in height."
And they're now justifying Fallout 4's map size by saying "Sure, it's about the same size as Skyrim, but there are no mountains to get in the way now so there's a lot more land to explore."
So basically it's roughly the same as Oblivion =P
Which is why we need to see an actual conversation in its entirety, not just a screen shot which will always work against it. The mode in which we select our options is less, that's not up for debate, but without actually seeing how an entire conversations plays out we can't be certain that the content is actually less. System still might suck, but I'd like to actually see it in action first before I say so.
It's Bethesda.
And with a fully-voiced MC to boot.
I'd be very very surprised if I wasn't right.
TheSlySoul
Member
Looks like Telltale dialogue system. Comparing to the other games, it does seem a downgrade.
??????? (Y)
(X) What. The fuck. (B)
.............. (A) Is this.
??????? (Y)
(X) What. The fuck. (B)
.............. (A) Is this.
That's some terrible shit.
Happily Steam accepted my refund request about 3 hours ago. Will definetly wait for user impressions for this one, I don't trust reviews.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
So...still massive and filled with stuff to do?
FullMetalx117
Member
Practical in the sense that yes having many dialogue options is nice but at the end of the day those choices condense down to 2-3 "real" choices. Bethesda is seemingly making these 2-3 choice more apparent this time.
Rushersauce
Banned
Adding a conversation wheel is just one of the many stupid shit Bethesda did with F4.
So possibly fewer dialog choices and voiceover means the writing is bad? I can't make that leap.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Why not having something like this ?
Darkstorne
Member
I'm not sure why pre-orders are still so popular. I'll only do it if previews are prevalent and reviews are out before a game launches. If Fallout 4 gets amazing reviews and positive reactions then I'm still going to be playing on day one - just refuse to give them cash in advance for a game we know nothing about.
Golden Hamster
Neo Member
Yeah I don't know what he's talking about, the map will most definitely not be small.
Askherserenity
Member
Hmm, not sure if I agree. A lot of the dialogue choices in Fallout games are usually there for world building/learn more about a situation/character and so on. Not sure what you mean about only 2-3 real choices.
I preordered it because I want to preload on PS4 and play at midnight. I don't care about reviews, I know what I"m getting, more or less, with a Bethesda RPG, and I know I'll want to play it.
Summer Haze
Banned
For those of you who have been watching gameplay clips, how often does the protag talk while roaming around? One of the things I've always loved about Fallout/silent protags is having my own internal monologue when exploring the world. It makes a game feel much more personal and immersive to me. I don't mind the VA if it's mostly for narrative purposes, but I really hope he/she doesn't comment on every little thing you do during general play.
Yep
Someone
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*90% of posters genuinely concerned, couple of trolls voice their "concerns"*
"wow neogaf hyperbole hivemind shitposting am i right"
Why not having something like this ?
If I'm not mistaken, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but Bioware trademarked the Mass Effect style dialogue wheel that it and Inquisitions uses.
Golden Hamster
Neo Member
Isn't it possible we haven't seen dialogue where there would be more than four choices yet? A "more options" choice could easily be bound to one of those face buttons, maybe it just hasn't popped up yet.
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