Head.spawn
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Then why bother mentioning or referencing to it?
Halo 5 sales in the UK [Excludes digital sales]
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Then why bother mentioning or referencing to it?
Oh I didn't realize it was such privileged information that could easily pinpoint you.
Because it could get him in trouble? If he's verified by mods he can say whatever he wants and exactly as much as he wants.
Wut? It's pertinent to his personal opinion on the matter.
So you'll say MS was expecting H5 to launch with Halo3 numbers... But won't give a range...
Haven't you already given a range, essentially?
If this is true (which I doubt) then MS had some Square Enix levels of unreasonable expectations... But I can't imagine the bean counters would be so misguided... They've got tons of data that would suggest otherwise...
Primethius
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I mean, the point was stronger when you take it with all the other ones listed. Especially MCC (a remaster collection, those never do anywhere close to the sales of mainline titles).
This is a mainline title that hasn't hit Halo at it's peak. Okay sure. But it's over 50% less then Halo 3 at it's peak.
I don't think anyone realistically expected such a drop off from past Halo titles. And if you did, well more power to you. But gotta be honest, I wouldn't believe anyone who says that.
If Halo 4 debuted at 3 million with 60 million consoles and Halo 3 at 3 million with 15 million consoles, don't you see the decline? Halo 4 came off Halo 3, and still declined. What would you expect Halo 5 to do following Halo 4? Match Halo 4?
I was expecting around 2 million for launch day, so I agree, it's pretty bad. However, I disagree that it's horrific when accounting for those other things.
It's going to be interesting once the official numbers come out.
It could easily get him in trouble if he reveals what his line of work is or what sources he knows.
Look at NPD threads. The numbers given in those threads are never really exact and have to be put together based on insider info. Stuff like this isn't taken lightly.
I think we had a user named Aquamarine that gave out too much info in and NPD thread. Her job found out and she had to take measures to make it right. She had to leave this forum because of it.
Obliterator
Member
Because I gave you guys the range. The expectations for Halo 5 is to perform in line with the other major Halo titles.
Take from that what you will for Halo 5s performance. I'm sure you will get MS PR praising the games success in the next days
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Just drop it, either a mod will verify or you can just disregard it. No need to fill a couple pages discussing about it.
Stilton Disco
Member
I like how the defensive narrative here has suddenly gone from:
'Of course retail sales are like that, everyone bought digital copies, so sales aren't really down!'
to:
'Of course sales are lower than previous titles, the market just isn't what it used to be for Halo!'
It's almost like people are having trouble dealing with the news or something.
'Of course retail sales are like that, everyone bought digital copies, so sales aren't really down!'
to:
'Of course sales are lower than previous titles, the market just isn't what it used to be for Halo!'
It's almost like people are having trouble dealing with the news or something.
Exactly, he already has mentioned that he has access to the numbers, giving the exact numbers won't change that, lol. MS ninjas are already deployed I guess.
igordennis
Member
Lol at people feeling entitled to insider information.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Well, this thread has turned out to be quite a thing.
I am going to wait for US sales before I reach my final conclusion but things are not looking too hot right now.
I am going to wait for US sales before I reach my final conclusion but things are not looking too hot right now.
Cause we did, but it works out alot cheaper for people in the UK to buy from the US store. In Halo 5's case, it was £45 to £30 if I remember rightly. With console sharing, you can have 2 licenses with one purchase, meaning if you split the price, it's £15 for a brand new game.
Basically this... The fact that Halo4 only matched halo3 despite having 4x the Xboxes installed, makes all of these 'expectations' all the more ridiculous.. The drop off actually started with 4.
There's no way in Hell, anyone reasonable thought this title was going to emulate the launch success of either of these titles... I can't image anyone at MS would have thought differently.
WordsintheWater
Member
That's exactly what it is for a few of these people
You guys come across like you want to get him in trouble though
That's what PR should do of course. People expecting PR to say the game under-performed or the idea that they are unhappy with the numbers don't know what PR is all about.
MCC was mostly outsourced. Most of 343 has nothing to do with that project. The main team was working on Halo 5.
Mr.Marston
Member
Not surprising at all. Halo 4 was the beginning of the end for Halo as a blockbuster series and the broken pos that was the MCC served as the final nail.
Interficium
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Do you think Halo 5 will live up to expectations?
Thread has now become officially hilarious. I ought to go through and ask for follow-up comments ITT from the posters in that thread who were predicting 40%+ attach rates and 10m++ sales.
Thread has now become officially hilarious. I ought to go through and ask for follow-up comments ITT from the posters in that thread who were predicting 40%+ attach rates and 10m++ sales.
DeadManWalking
Member
Split screen co-op confirmed for halo 6!!
Primethius
Banned
Not really?
That's not really how the gaming market works for videogame titles outside a select few (really only GTA V and CoD I can think of right now).
Just because the base is bigger doesn't mean that a game should launch to bigger numbers. Halo 4 did about 12-15 million I believe and I don't think anyone expected it to pull numbers higher then that. The core, day one buyers for titles like that simply aren't going to increase by such a margin just because 40ish million new consoles are out there.
Now, did Halo 4 have a decline? Sure it did. I don't think I'm arguing against that. But the decline from 3 to 4 (or even Reach to 4) is significantly less then the decline from the last mainline game and 5.
I mean, you just have to look at MCC. It sold 100k first week. Mainline sells 50k more. That alone shows a pretty significant decline.
I think if you look at Halo 3 especially, it came 3 years after Halo 2, it's been less than a year since the last Halo showed up and I'd imagine the demographic for who owns an Xbox One is quite different to the 360's was at the same point in it's life.
The Xbox One definitely fell to the cheaper Ps4 in the UK. How many Xbox One's have been sold here?
This is gaf, lol
Or it's a 1000+ post thread with many different posters expressing their opinions?
Interficium
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Source?
//edit: I'll eat my hat if you can find any reliable information that says Halo 4 did over 10 million.
Primethius
Banned
Nah, I don't have a source for that number. It's just an educated guess based on MS's PR that states that Halo 4 is the highest selling MS Game Studios title in the US of all time alongside the milestones that we received for the Halo series over the course of a few years.
ethomaz
Banned
This.
BTW Halo 4 did less than Halo 3 from what we know and Halo 3 was (if I'm not wrong) the only game we know crossed 10 million.
DarthWalden
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I mean assuming he is a legit insider he's giving us a pretty good idea of what the expectations were. I'm just skeptical of "insiders" around here and that information makes little sense to me.
The average gamer knows that Halo is made by Microsoft. The developer is usually unknown however 343 has been hyped since they released Halo 4. People will just make assumptions. Though they did help in some capacity right?
Katana_Strikes
Member
gaf is great at vetting.
Bits N Pieces
Member
I picked ODST at launch for £23 and I got Halo 5 digitally for £44.99.
The retail numbers are obviously below what previous instalments have done but then again no one was really buying games digitally on the 360, or nobody that I really knew anyway. I would hazard a guess that this Halo would have been bought digitally more than any other title in the franchise.
Going to be interesting when MS reveal the numbers one way or another
It's such a bad argument to make because if MCC actually worked well at launch, everyone would have been praising 343 and they'd have gotten virtually all the credit for it.
Interficium
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Obliterator
Member
I dont see what doesn't make sense about your flagship AAA exclusive franchise having a similar launch to others in the series. This is the type of franchise MS / Sony / Nintendo etc. count on moving hardware. Install base doesnt effect these sorts of games really all that much.
What??
Staple games sell more with console sales. That's why they are "staple", they have an attach rate.
And going by my Halo 5 numbers, it did better than Halo 4 as an attach rate.
H3: 3/15 = .2
H4: 3/60 = .05
H5: 1.5/16 = .093
There are so many variables that affect market conditions, but people dismiss those, saying the market now would be just as receptive to Halo as it was in 2007, so long as it allows them to shit on the game I suppose.
Pretty much.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Eek, that's a bundle for your worst enemy.
Steverulez
Member
We will easily find out what the expectations were:
If MS PR decides to give us an approximate sales figure (whatever that number turns out to be) the game has met their expectations.
However, if we only get "5 million skulls found" and "17 million players teabagged" - it is definitely underperforming.
Well, they started the project more than likely. However 343 is more than just a game studio. They product games, but they also produce the extended universe media, web sites, and other games. As a whole, 343 started the project, set the goals, and then outsourced. It turned out bad for the mutliplayer side of things, which probably had to do with trying to get 4 games from 2 different consoles to work on a 3rd console while developing some sort of systems interface for interoperability. Regardless if all the outsourcing was a farce and their 3rd parties screwed them over or not.. It's on 343, and maybe MS.
Primethius
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Uhh... what? I don't think I claimed it was a definitive number. Just an educated guess. If you have something to say, say it.
I was saying that series typically have upper limits. Just because you have vastly more consoles out doesn't equate to vastly more sales for any given title.
The franchise sold 60 million, there has to be another Halo game that crossed 10 million, maybe Reach?