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[FATALITY]

Well, since I always love to play the PR Guessing game, I would assume they would have said this, OR I assume they will. There are plenty of good things to say!!




"The end of October, we celebrated the launch of the highly anticipated, best selling franchise Halo 5, with you our fans. Halo 5 debuted with the biggest launch of any Xbox Exclusive game in the history of the Xbox One. XBL users showed continued growth as they logged more minutes online with Halo 5 than any other Xbox Game. The Halo Limited Edition Bundle was the highest selling Xbox system for the month of October. But, we are not done. This Holiday Season, we will continue to release more titles from the Greatest Lineup in Xbox History, proving once again, the Xbox One is the "best place to play" this Holiday."

lol close enough

 

[Jagernaut]

For the #s people.



Do any Gaf detectives have any idea what the previous holder of this was? Is there a number attached to that game?

Maybe one could pull a guess from that little bit of a hint.

Since they are limiting the comparisons to first party titles it seems like it sold less than Titanfall.

 

[Primethius]

I love how people think they're not disclosing numbers to be misleading. People need to understand that shareholders don't give a shit about copies sold, rather how much revenue a single franchise can bring in with all related material.

Also:

Hey people from the UK sales thread!

...You realize, that doesn't actually mean anything without numbers, right?

 

[BokehKing]

Hey people from the UK sales thread!

The game shipped in consoles with a digital code...

 

[ShogunDarius]

I love how people think they're not disclosing numbers to be misleading. People need to understand that shareholders don't give a shit about copies sold, rather how much revenue a single franchise can bring in with all related material.

Also:

Hey people from the UK sales thread!

going from 20% to 21% would still make that statement accurate, your point is moot

 

[Heigic]

Inflation would mean that it's always going to be a bigger a launch I would think.

MS can spin all they want and we can sit here and counter spin but it still was a very successful launch and there is no denying that.

 

[nib95]

I think it didn't reach the same attach rate as Titanfall when it launched, but it must had sold more copies.

I think it's impossible that Halo didn't outsell a new IP that launched when the console was only 5 months old.

If it sold more copies, my guess is they would have said "best selling Xbox One exclusive ever during it's first week". Which still sounds better than "highest week one attach rate for a Microsoft first party title".

 

[Primethius]

going from 20% to 21% would still make that statement accurate, your point is moot

Lol. I don't think he realizes that.

Inflation would mean that it's always going to be a bigger a launch I would think.

MS can spin all they want and we can sit here and counter spin but it still was a very successful launch and there is no denying that.

Only crazy people would deny it. Hell, even selling less then your typical Halo title, I'm sure Halo 5 sold gangbusters for an exclusive. But... people are still interested in the decline and actual sales numbers.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Microsoft's PR team are geniuses.

 

[Thebeardofknowledge]

that's not simple, why?

can you not read ?


you know what's funny if the game had actually broken any sales records and Microsoft released them , the same people going "why do you want sales?" would be the same ones in here talking shit.

get real

 

[Trup1aya]

The thing is some of us are interested to know how well Halo 5 sold. Combining software and hardware numbers is obviously a way to mask the relatively low sales for the game.

Obviously, what I'm saying is, why would anyone expect them to broadcast news that doesn't shed a positive light.

Your right, it's obvious the game didn't sell as many units as other halo titles. But it generated them more money... There shouldn't be any surprise as to what there press release focused on.

People want numbers, but it's silly to expect a company to post them if all it will do is generate 'Halo is dad' articles. Even if halo is in fact, not dad.

 

[jackdoe]

Was there another Xbox One exclusive first person shooter that released this year? Because that wording was so, so specific about the Metacritic score.

 

[tearsintherain]

I bought the game at launch and traded it in yesterday after finishing the campaign and playing a few MP games, just not for me. Wasn't that impressed by the campaign (only Halo game I have played) but it was decent enough.

One thing I am curious about though, twitch numbers have sunk like a rock. Right now Destiny is at 10k viewers and Halo is at 2300. In the evenings its about 12k vs 4k. There are more twitch viewers for Runescape, World of Tanks, Rocket League, FIFA, etc.

I understand Halo 5 is xbox exclusive so a bunch of PS4 only viewers may not tune in, but still that dropoff is a bit weird. It was around 10-20k the first few days but then just dropped off a cliff. Will it go back up as Halo championships come around?

The only other xbox one FPS exclusive I can think of is Gears of War Remastered, and thats assuming you count a PC port as not breaking the xbone exclusivity. Titanfall is of course the other one but not this year.

 

[Asd202]

What is Microsoft trying to hide? Why is there so much PR spin? I literally had to read the snippet 5 times. Even counting hardware sales? We already have the UK sales and we'll get the US sales in the NPD thread, which should give us a clear picture, seeing as other regions are negligible, so at least we're kinda set there.

This is very worrying. I was gonna predict that XBox One was gonna win NPD October, but now I'm switching to PS4. 343 did this.

IMO who wins October NPD doesn't matter as much as how big the gap will be, but people will be all about placement like "Xbone is going to retake US" or "PS4 wins? Xbone is dead" because one outsold another by 4k.

 

[etta]

etta falling hook, line, and sinker for MS PR.

Look at that, indeed

All I care is that Microsoft receives enough return so that they'll blow an even bigger budget on next Halo's investment.
And given by the biggest Halo launch ever, I see I shouldn't be worried. I don't care about unit sales like you do. REQ micros will make up the difference and more.

On the XB1.

Read the actual PR and not what OP chose for his title.

?

Halo 5: Guardians has made history as the biggest Halo launch

 

[Ricky_R]

Numbers are so paseé.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

If this is spin, what's the narrative if they had chosen to keep quiet?

 

[bombshell]

Also:

Hey people from the UK sales thread!

Where is the physical to digital ratio in that statement?

 

[Guymelef]

I love how people think they're not disclosing numbers to be misleading. People need to understand that shareholders don't give a shit about copies sold, rather how much revenue a single franchise can bring in with all related material.

Also:

Hey people from the UK sales thread!

Hey

 

[hawk2025]

I love how people think they're not disclosing numbers to be misleading. People need to understand that shareholders don't give a shit about copies sold, rather how much revenue a single franchise can bring in with all related material.

Also:

Hey people from the UK sales thread!

But they care about millions of hours played?

Are you serious right now?

By the way, I know you've been chomping at the bit to psot that crow picture, but a spike in digital sales says nothing about what you were actually arguing regarding percentage splits.

 

[Chobel]

OK but HALO 4 came our way longer into the console generation.

There were much more x360 consoles on the market.

It´s hardly comparable.

Ummm, I'm just comparing it to the former biggest Halo launch in history.

 

[kingwingin]

400 mil? So like 8 Canadian copies sold

 

[Xan Kriegor]

The game shipped in consoles with a digital code...

And that digital code gives you a free download. The PR statement mentioned best SELLING, not most downloaded.

 

[Thebeardofknowledge]

I love how people think they're not disclosing numbers to be misleading. People need to understand that shareholders don't give a shit about copies sold, rather how much revenue a single franchise can bring in with all related material.

Also:

Hey people from the UK sales thread!

keep flying closer to the sun

 

[R3TRO]

Something tells me this was written by Aaron Greenberg....

lol

 

[Dash_Riprock]

If this is spin, what's the narrative if they had chosen to keep quiet?

They had to say SOMETHING. Saying nothing would've had people asking questions.

 

[orochi91]

I love how people think they're not disclosing numbers to be misleading. People need to understand that shareholders don't give a shit about copies sold, rather how much revenue a single franchise can bring in with all related material.

Except we aren't shareholders and nor do quite a few people in thread care for this PR because it combines hardware and software, which tells us nothing as to how game is performing at retail.

 

[gaming_noob]

400 mil? So like 8 Canadian copies sold

You can barely buy 3 homes in Vancouver with that money.

 

[Windforce]

But how many copies?

I like numbers!

 

[Yurikerr]

If it sold more copies, my guess is they would have said "best selling exclusive to date". That sounds a lot better than "highest week one attach rate for a Microsoft first party title".

Man, if Halo 5 sold less than Titanfall i, personally, think that's a giant failure.

I still think they are only talking about attach rate on that sentence. Just to point that lot's of XB1 owners bought the game.

Do we have Titanfall 1st week sales?

 

[travisbickle]

I don't believe it's an apples to apples comparison with previous Halos if they're including hardware in the Halo 5 sales figures. Who knows?

 

[Trup1aya]

I bought the game at launch and traded it in yesterday after finishing the campaign and playing a few MP games, just not for me. Wasn't that impressed by the campaign (only Halo game I have played) but it was decent enough.

One thing I am curious about though, twitch numbers have sunk like a rock. Right now Destiny is at 10k viewers and Halo is at 2300. In the evenings its about 12k vs 4k. There are more twitch viewers for Runescape, World of Tanks, Rocket League, FIFA, etc.

I understand Halo 5 is xbox exclusive so a bunch of PS4 only viewers may not tune in, but still that dropoff is a bit weird. It was around 10-20k the first few days but then just dropped off a cliff. Will it go back up as Halo championships come around?

The only other xbox one FPS exclusive I can think of is Gears of War Remastered, and thats assuming you count a PC port as not breaking the xbone exclusivity. Titanfall is of course the other one but not this year.

Those other games have much larger player bases, being PC and/or multiplatform... Of course there will be more twitch viewers.

 

[erpg]

Are they including controllers too?

 

[Darryl M R]

I keep seeing conflicting narratives: Halo 5 smashes records, Halo 5 did not sell well, Halo 5 beats Assassin Creed, Halo 5 etc. . .

 

[yukianderson]

MS PR team is truly the best in the business they know there audience and how to make them drink from there kool-aid. Can't wait for the NPD to see what are the actual numbers and see how MS put the 400 million dollars together. Including hardware, controllers, req packs and probably anything with halo on it to the 400 million . I also find it interesting they say global sales this means that all the hardware in the world added to the 400 million. They just made this NPD more epic. Is going to be so fun to watch.

 

[Primethius]

Man, if Halo 5 sold less than Titanfall i, personally, think that's a giant failure.

I still think they are only talking about attach rate on that sentence. Just to point that lot's of XB1 owners bought the game.

Do we have Titanfall 1st week sales?

We have first month, which is at < 1.1 million in NPD IIRC. Someone can correct those numbers if I'm wrong.

 

[Three]

Why do you want hard numbers?

Why do you want dollar amounts? Isn't it all fairly pointless? At the very least hard sales numbers indicate population in the game but what does the fact that it made $400M in revenue tell you? Especially as it is near impossible to find out how much of it is profit too.

 

[leeh]

Except we aren't shareholders and nor do quite a few people in thread care for this PR because it combines hardware and software, which tells us nothing as to how game is performing at retail.

You think they release PR for the gamers on internet forums? The content isn't for our digestion. I wonder why their shares have risen in the past hour...

 

[NerdEyeBlind]

Holy Cow, I love MS and Halo and I didn't think it would be the best Halo launch ever. Nice job MS.

 

[foxbeldin]

Are they including controllers too?

Yes.

 

[Alo0oy]

Man, if Halo 5 sold less than Titanfall i, personally, think that's a giant failure.

I still think they are only talking about attach rate on that sentence. Just to point that lot's of XB1 owners bought the game.

Do we have Titanfall 1st week sales?

First month NPD sales were 1.1 million including bundled copies, we don't have first week sales though.

First week in the UK was 118k units.

 

[hawk2025]

There is zero chance it sold less than titanfall, c'mon people.

 

[Asd202]

Man, if Halo 5 sold less than Titanfall i, personally, think that's a giant failure.

I still think they are only talking about attach rate on that sentence. Just to point that lot's of XB1 owners bought the game.

Do we have Titanfall 1st week sales?

Well the PR says it has the highest attach rate

Spoiler

of first party titles lol

 

[DarthWalden]

I don't think it's genius at all. It's transparent BS, so it just makes them look disingenuous and conniving. MS Xbox PR is always like this and it's a contributor to the company's ongoing reputation as deluded, greedy slimeballs. Long term, I think it does more harm than their fake 'mission accomplished' hype does them good. They've been following this tack for years, though, so what do I know?

That's the thing.. It's pretty transparent... We all know that they included controller and headset sales just to inflate sales to get it the "best selling halo title" but either way that's pretty impressive as Halo peaked almost 10 years ago in popularity.

Was anyone truly expecting this game to outsell halo 3 when the series was at it's peak or halo 4 when the xbox 360s install base was at it's peak?

Even if you cut through the PR it's still an extremely impressive number IMO.

 

[Ricky_R]

Honest question, when did this new narrative that units sold is irrelevant take over? I haven't been keeping up.

 

[Curufinwe]

Not giving out actual sales numbers is really sad, whether it's Halo, Destiny, or whatever else.

 

[Chobel]

and he's pointing out that doing so is false equivalency.

WAT?

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Well deserved MS! Halo 5 is a great game, good to see its success.

 

[Asd202]

You think they release PR for the gamers on internet forums? The content isn't for our digestion. I wonder why their shares have risen in the past hour...

Nothing related to Xbone is presume.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Not giving out actual sales numbers is really sad, whether it's Halo, Destiny, or whatever else.

People being okay with that/defending it is even sadder.