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The Man From UNCLE > SPECTRE
SPECTRE felt more like a generic clone of a Bond film than an actual Bond film.
WadiumArcadium
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Anyone saying this is the worst Bond film is off their rocker.
The opening is my favourite of Craig's films so far. The problem is it's so good, it overshadows the other set pieces. The plane crashing through the forest came close though.
I wasn't as big a fan of the final act as some. Oberhauser wasn't as threatening to me as Silva but Waltz did a decent job. I was expecting a bit more from him after Inglorious Basterds but that was a better written character. Lea Seydoux was excellent and definitely the best Bond girl since Vesper, but I expected Belluci to have more screen time.
The ongoing battle between Hinx and Bond was enjoyable - the fight in the train was probably my favourite CQC scene in any of Craig's films. There was a real physicality to it. Looks like Hinx is a Gregor Clegane fan.
Unfortunately, the soundtrack is a bit lacklustre. I can't believe they had that great OHMSS tease in the trailer and didn't reference it at all in the film. No Bond theme after the start either? Madness. I'm not a big fan of Smith's song but it actually worked pretty well with the opening of the film, though I know a lot of people hate it. At least it's better than that Jack White Alicia Keys abomination.
It does take itself less seriously than Skyfall, but I didn't have a problem with that at all. It never came across as too cheesy as some of the US reviews led me to believe and the jokes seemed to get a decent amount of laughs.
With that ending, I'd be surprised if it wasn't Craig's last though. If it is, it's been a good run.
I need to see it again to be sure but I'd probably say:
1) Casino Royale
2) Skyfall
3) Spectre
4) Quantum of Solace
This isn't a bad ranking either as I love Casino Royale and really like Skyfall.
The opening is my favourite of Craig's films so far. The problem is it's so good, it overshadows the other set pieces. The plane crashing through the forest came close though.
I wasn't as big a fan of the final act as some. Oberhauser wasn't as threatening to me as Silva but Waltz did a decent job. I was expecting a bit more from him after Inglorious Basterds but that was a better written character. Lea Seydoux was excellent and definitely the best Bond girl since Vesper, but I expected Belluci to have more screen time.
The ongoing battle between Hinx and Bond was enjoyable - the fight in the train was probably my favourite CQC scene in any of Craig's films. There was a real physicality to it. Looks like Hinx is a Gregor Clegane fan.
Unfortunately, the soundtrack is a bit lacklustre. I can't believe they had that great OHMSS tease in the trailer and didn't reference it at all in the film. No Bond theme after the start either? Madness. I'm not a big fan of Smith's song but it actually worked pretty well with the opening of the film, though I know a lot of people hate it. At least it's better than that Jack White Alicia Keys abomination.
It does take itself less seriously than Skyfall, but I didn't have a problem with that at all. It never came across as too cheesy as some of the US reviews led me to believe and the jokes seemed to get a decent amount of laughs.
Especially the ejector seat.
With that ending, I'd be surprised if it wasn't Craig's last though. If it is, it's been a good run.
I need to see it again to be sure but I'd probably say:
1) Casino Royale
2) Skyfall
3) Spectre
4) Quantum of Solace
This isn't a bad ranking either as I love Casino Royale and really like Skyfall.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Jesus Christ
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
I loved Casino Royale and Skyfall, pllus both scored very well with the critics too.
Quantum of Solace is trash though. I see Spectre is sitting at 64% on Rottentomatoes, 1 percent BELOW QoS, yikes.
Between the poor reviews, and Daniel Craig stating in an interview he'd rather kill himself than make another Bond, I think I'm gonna skip this one.
Quantum of Solace is trash though. I see Spectre is sitting at 64% on Rottentomatoes, 1 percent BELOW QoS, yikes.
Between the poor reviews, and Daniel Craig stating in an interview he'd rather kill himself than make another Bond, I think I'm gonna skip this one.
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People still take that Craig quote seriously?
Heck, I'd argue that Mission Impossible did a better job hitting many of the same beats as this film as well.
I don't think they changed much. The third act goes off the fucking rails, just like in the leaks.
I saw this Monday. Very surprised to see that it's been critiqued fractionally worse than Quantum of Solace, but the user score is much higher so it doesn't really matter. I think what probably happened is Skyfall was such a return to 'Bond' that it has a bit of a soft spot in the critics' hearts, and Spectre didn't really bring anything new to the table.
Anyway, I thought it was great, as did my girlfriend. She dislikes QoS, and I need to watch it again because I might be getting suckered into agreeing with the opinions of the many (only saw it once). All I remember is that Casino Royale blue my mind and is still my favourite Crag Bond (heck, it's my favourite Bond alongside Goldeneye) so I reckon it just wasn't as good but might still be decent.
Anyway, I thought it was great, as did my girlfriend. She dislikes QoS, and I need to watch it again because I might be getting suckered into agreeing with the opinions of the many (only saw it once). All I remember is that Casino Royale blue my mind and is still my favourite Crag Bond (heck, it's my favourite Bond alongside Goldeneye) so I reckon it just wasn't as good but might still be decent.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Yeah, I definitely preferred MI.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I'm from the UK and I enjoyed it, just thought it wasn't as good as CR or Skyfall, hell, wasn't anywhere near as good as Mission Impossible IMO
I enjoyed it considerably more than Skyfall and Rogue Nation.
The return of the classic Bond beats with the best action since Casino Royale worked for me in a big way. The locations were breathtakingly beautiful and the cinematography was comparable to Skyfall. You can see the money on screen in a way that only Bond can do. Mission Impossible just can't compete on this front.
Rogue Nation has a similar storyline, but I enjoyed it much more here. It was delightfully over the top and called back on the franchises' history that hit home. Yes, it was a tad forced. But it worked.
Agree on MI.
NekoFever
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Why would they?
That name is meaningless
been operating under a pseudonym since his "death"
I don't consider it a twist so much as a callback to earlier Bond.
SJRB
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Exactly. It's not a twist at all, more of a wink-nudge to the audience. Bond has literally zero reason to be phased by it.
Some reviewers have weird critiques about this movie.
It wasn't a twist but it was god awful motivation for the main character.
My daddy took care of you so I'M JEALOUS AND CREATED A CRIMINAL EMPIRE TO DESTROY YOUR LIFE, but I'm too stupid to actually kill you even though I've had multiple, point-blank chances. YOLO!
NekoFever
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Bond villain gonna Bond villain.
SJRB
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He never said
he built a criminal empire just to destroy Bond's life. His jealousy pushed him over the edge, made him kill his dad and go to the dark side, if you will. Surely at some point he made it his mission to ruin Bond from the shadows, but it was never his "core business". I also seriously doubt his point was to simply kill Bond, as he obviously enjoyed tormenting Bond throughout the years.
I do agree with many critics though that Oberhauser being Bond's step-brother added literally nothing to the plot.
I do agree with many critics though that Oberhauser being Bond's step-brother added literally nothing to the plot.
Exterminieren
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I think it's pretty clear that there's quite a few critics (and viewers, to be fair) in the States that only gained any sort of attachment to the franchise with Casino Royale, and see anything that doesn't take that as a blueprint for the franchise as a whole as a rank betrayal. Certainly I can't think of many other reasons why some American critics are being so vituperative- it's not a response that the movie merits at all.
Or....
Those critics saw in Casino Royale a great film that - in addition to containing interesting, likeable characters and impressive action scenes that had repercussions on those characters - offered a new path for this series, away from its worst elements.
And this Craig run has subsequently squandered it, by devolving right back into the pastiche of clichés that have always troubled its existence.
Up to a 67.
82 with top critics.
Seems divisive rather than "meh" - a love it or hate it type deal. That said, it does seem to be skewing more positive overall than Quantum, with the divide mostly coming down to opinions on continuity between the last few films, and the slight tonal step towards the Bond of yore.
82 with top critics.
Seems divisive rather than "meh" - a love it or hate it type deal. That said, it does seem to be skewing more positive overall than Quantum, with the divide mostly coming down to opinions on continuity between the last few films, and the slight tonal step towards the Bond of yore.
Just saw it, and thoroughly enjoyed it. It's a total throwback to the 60s and 70s era films, so if you don't like that style of Bond film, you probably won't like this. It mixes the Connery style romp with the tight continuity and slickness of the Craig films for any entertaining result at least for me.
If you enjoy supervillains, big silent henchmen, world threatening plots, lairs, deathtraps and Bond girls, you will probably have a good time. If you do not and were expecting another Casino Royale, well, tough shit I guess, cos it's not Casino Royale at all.
Now, it's quite a bit too long and the plot is a bit murky, but as far as a very traditional Bond film goes, it's well made though probably lacking in surprises. I don't really like the theme song, but in the opening titles (which were great) it does work well but needed more orchestral oomph.
It's going to be a very divisive one, but thankfully not in the way QoS was (where it was more "Well what degree of bad is it?"), it'll be more a question of what style you want. I've got room for both so I'm happy to get Craig in a 60s style Bond film at least once.
Lastly, Lea Seydoux in a tight evening gown:
If you enjoy supervillains, big silent henchmen, world threatening plots, lairs, deathtraps and Bond girls, you will probably have a good time. If you do not and were expecting another Casino Royale, well, tough shit I guess, cos it's not Casino Royale at all.
Now, it's quite a bit too long and the plot is a bit murky, but as far as a very traditional Bond film goes, it's well made though probably lacking in surprises. I don't really like the theme song, but in the opening titles (which were great) it does work well but needed more orchestral oomph.
It's going to be a very divisive one, but thankfully not in the way QoS was (where it was more "Well what degree of bad is it?"), it'll be more a question of what style you want. I've got room for both so I'm happy to get Craig in a 60s style Bond film at least once.
Lastly, Lea Seydoux in a tight evening gown:
SJRB
Gold Member
Lastly, Lea Seydoux in a tight evening gown:
The entire theatre gasped when she walked out in that dress haha, amazing moment.
WadiumArcadium
Member
Lastly, Lea Seydoux in a tight evening gown:
Yep, crikey.
agree. i don't know where the notion of this being a twist even came from? guessing something to do with the script leak.
Just came back from cinema and holy shit, that was lackluster. I'm not usually the one who bashes on films, let alone Bond ones (I actually liked Skyfall) but man, what a dissapointment. For me it was one of the worst action movies (if I can even call it that) of the year. (btw. I didn't have any high hopes for the film and went in without any hype)
Opening sequence was great and after that, well it went straight down. Story was so-so, I couldn't care less for "both villains". Action scenes were few and far between and IMO none of them were memorable enough. Ending was straight up some
2/5 for me, very dissapointed and this is by far the worst Craig's Bond film.
Also, you know there is something wrong with the movie when bunch of people around you are constantly yawning and checking their watches.
Opening sequence was great and after that, well it went straight down. Story was so-so, I couldn't care less for "both villains". Action scenes were few and far between and IMO none of them were memorable enough. Ending was straight up some
love story shit.
2/5 for me, very dissapointed and this is by far the worst Craig's Bond film.
Also, you know there is something wrong with the movie when bunch of people around you are constantly yawning and checking their watches.
It's the producers/Mendes' fault for trying to hide the casting. Had they just said
that Waltz was Blofeld from the beginning
ClivePwned
Member
I reserved my seats for Gold Class when it opens here net week. Other people's opinions, man, they're just, like, other people's opinions.
in my mind's eye, I'm expecting this at a minimum
in my mind's eye, I'm expecting this at a minimum
brandonh83
Banned
nah man preconceived notions ever taint opinions, no sir.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
Solos review is going to be epic, and I have a feeling it'll be a hoot.
I haven't read the leaked script or don't know about the changes, but Spectre was pretty good. I don't think it's as good as CR, but nowhere close to as bad as QoS. Because fuck that movie.
One scene in particular evokes the whole Taken 3 fence.gif. Shit was awful.
Good 2.5 hrs, would watch again.
And Lea Seydoux is gdlk.
One scene in particular evokes the whole Taken 3 fence.gif. Shit was awful.
Good 2.5 hrs, would watch again.
And Lea Seydoux is gdlk.
Baron_Calamity
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Saw James Bond Spectre this evening. If anyone asks me "Baron, Should I see the new James Bond movie?" My answer is no, you probably shouldn't.
Positives: The action set pieces are solid and entertaining. They also tried to bring the fun back that was missing from the Craig Bonds and there are a few instances where it did work. The big nearly indestructible henchman worked really well. The goofiness should have been limited to just him and it would have been great. instead they went way overboard.
Negatives: a lot.
First, they tried to do too much. If they focused on one part of this story line, and expanded that, they could still had the big action scenes and some of the fun elements and it would have been a much better movie. I'm normally not a big fan of dry story segments in a James Bond film but a little explanation with a transition scene would have been nice now and again.
The villain of the film... so.. without spoiling anything.... it felt like the character belonged in one of those parody movies. Not one of the good ones like Airplane or Naked Gun. One of the really bad ones The Superhero movie. Christoph Waltz is completely wasted here as his character goes through no less than 4 different reveals.
Craig turned in his worst performance to date. I don't think anyone really did a particularly good job.
Way too many classic Bond tributes. A couple would have been fine but it really began to drag.
Sound track: The music was pretty bad. Even the way they used the classic bond theme was poorly done.
Look, basically Spectre is a big sloppy love letter to the Roger Moore James Bond era. Its a bad movie but it goes beyond that. It brought back the terrible stuff as well. Like emphasizing stunts with musical sound effects. The pointless quips. It manages to ruin modern Bond as well as remind us off all the terrible things about classic Bond.
Positives: The action set pieces are solid and entertaining. They also tried to bring the fun back that was missing from the Craig Bonds and there are a few instances where it did work. The big nearly indestructible henchman worked really well. The goofiness should have been limited to just him and it would have been great. instead they went way overboard.
Negatives: a lot.
First, they tried to do too much. If they focused on one part of this story line, and expanded that, they could still had the big action scenes and some of the fun elements and it would have been a much better movie. I'm normally not a big fan of dry story segments in a James Bond film but a little explanation with a transition scene would have been nice now and again.
The villain of the film... so.. without spoiling anything.... it felt like the character belonged in one of those parody movies. Not one of the good ones like Airplane or Naked Gun. One of the really bad ones The Superhero movie. Christoph Waltz is completely wasted here as his character goes through no less than 4 different reveals.
Craig turned in his worst performance to date. I don't think anyone really did a particularly good job.
Way too many classic Bond tributes. A couple would have been fine but it really began to drag.
Sound track: The music was pretty bad. Even the way they used the classic bond theme was poorly done.
Look, basically Spectre is a big sloppy love letter to the Roger Moore James Bond era. Its a bad movie but it goes beyond that. It brought back the terrible stuff as well. Like emphasizing stunts with musical sound effects. The pointless quips. It manages to ruin modern Bond as well as remind us off all the terrible things about classic Bond.
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