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I wonder if I can sneak into Peanuts. That's been getting decent reviews
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007 SPECTRE |OT| It's me, Austin. It was me all along, Austin.
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I wonder if I can sneak into Peanuts. That's been getting decent reviews
Discotheque
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hopefully the bourne comeback next year is the big kick in the teeth that the spy franchise needs. mission impossible feels too mickey mouse and bond is veering too far towards nostalgia now with skyfall and these spectre impressions.
i want another scene like that casino royale black and white opening where he's just ruthless.
if anybody's a fan of that harsher bond the comic that released today is worth picking up.
i want another scene like that casino royale black and white opening where he's just ruthless.
if anybody's a fan of that harsher bond the comic that released today is worth picking up.
Why not just buy a ticket to Peanuts?
I'm not seeing it today! Ill be seeing it tomorrow afternoon. I'll post my thoughts, good, bad, or ugly right after I see it though.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Sorry if you've already explained, but why so "late"?
It only opens in North America (or in Canada at least) tomorrow (or technically tonight since there are showings)!
Went yesterday on premier night. Expectations weren't all to high. (Trailers were ok, but didn't scream best Bond ever, and I knew topping Skyfall was impossible).
Afterwards my feelings were mixed. I enjoyed myself tremendously, but there is lot's of stuff 'wrong'. I love how this is a truly classic Bond with the sillyness of the sixties and seventies flicks. It has briliant set pieces (the opening ranks among the best, but there is more). It is funny. Craig is a briliant Bond. I giggled and stared in awe at the screen.
My main beef (apart from Christopher Waltz playing Christopher Waltz, and lacking 'danger') is about the stakes. There are none. What made Skyfall so brilliant was that the stakes were high and Bond was weak. You had the feeling the villain was always one step ahead of Bond. It was tense and exciting. In Spectre is seems Bond is always on top. There are hardly any setbacks. Lots of sequenses fal flatt because of that. They look amazing and cool, but there is no investment. This is apart from the big world threatening masterplan
but on the level of the scenes itself. Some examples:
But analysing aside. I had a lot of fun, and that's what counts. Just a shame it could have been so much better with little changes.
Afterwards my feelings were mixed. I enjoyed myself tremendously, but there is lot's of stuff 'wrong'. I love how this is a truly classic Bond with the sillyness of the sixties and seventies flicks. It has briliant set pieces (the opening ranks among the best, but there is more). It is funny. Craig is a briliant Bond. I giggled and stared in awe at the screen.
My main beef (apart from Christopher Waltz playing Christopher Waltz, and lacking 'danger') is about the stakes. There are none. What made Skyfall so brilliant was that the stakes were high and Bond was weak. You had the feeling the villain was always one step ahead of Bond. It was tense and exciting. In Spectre is seems Bond is always on top. There are hardly any setbacks. Lots of sequenses fal flatt because of that. They look amazing and cool, but there is no investment. This is apart from the big world threatening masterplan
(which tries to say something about this day and age, but nobody could care less about because it is a future we live in allready)
There is hardly any traffic during the chase in Rome. It is not tense at all, just cool to look at. There are hardly any instances were Bond is cornered, or cut of...
The plane chase has no real contact between Bond and the villains. He just follows them from the air and sometimes bangs a car. It is spectacular, but even when Bond loses his wings you never feel like he's in trouble. What a difference with the helicopter scene were it is a close call!
The search for Madeline in the old MI6 headquarters. You have everything for an exciting scene. A dillema, a time lock, a damsel in distress. But it fals flat. Bond runs, finds her, they make a jump and that's it. This scene could have been so tense with little changes. Just make Bond try to disarm the bomb, finding out it won't work. He wasted time! He has to come up with something else. Even just little moments where he has to catch his breath and think would have helped. For instance: a little moment before he jumps in the safety net where he tries to figure out what to do, in stead of just jumping now.
The mean problem is that most set pieces don't have reversals. There are no setbacks to Bonds plan, that force him to do things different. The enemy never gets the better hand over him. This is what makes the best two set pieces so good. The fight in the helicopter is one reversal after the other. The fight in the train is the same. Bond and Jinx change positions every second. One wins, then the other comes back, etc
And then I'm saying nothing about the silly Q hacks the problem away thing which lacks ALL tension
The plane chase has no real contact between Bond and the villains. He just follows them from the air and sometimes bangs a car. It is spectacular, but even when Bond loses his wings you never feel like he's in trouble. What a difference with the helicopter scene were it is a close call!
The search for Madeline in the old MI6 headquarters. You have everything for an exciting scene. A dillema, a time lock, a damsel in distress. But it fals flat. Bond runs, finds her, they make a jump and that's it. This scene could have been so tense with little changes. Just make Bond try to disarm the bomb, finding out it won't work. He wasted time! He has to come up with something else. Even just little moments where he has to catch his breath and think would have helped. For instance: a little moment before he jumps in the safety net where he tries to figure out what to do, in stead of just jumping now.
The mean problem is that most set pieces don't have reversals. There are no setbacks to Bonds plan, that force him to do things different. The enemy never gets the better hand over him. This is what makes the best two set pieces so good. The fight in the helicopter is one reversal after the other. The fight in the train is the same. Bond and Jinx change positions every second. One wins, then the other comes back, etc
And then I'm saying nothing about the silly Q hacks the problem away thing which lacks ALL tension
But analysing aside. I had a lot of fun, and that's what counts. Just a shame it could have been so much better with little changes.
SJRB
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Nice analysis, and I agree.
The biggest offense in that regard for me was
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So weird.
The biggest offense in that regard for me was
when Bond escaped Blofeld's torture and literally walked around like the Terminator, hip-firing machineguns with pin-point accuracy. That entire scene was so random, almost as if they didn't have time for a properly developed action scene so they let Bond just Rambo through it. Including random and crazy over the top explosion at the end
So weird.
Yup. That was EXACTLY a chance to make Bond vulnerable for a sequence, and having hem rely on his wits or the help of Madeline... This could've been like the scene in
Return of the Jedi, where Han Solo is blind in the middle of an action scene.
Now Bond feels no real effects of the tortures... Okay, maybe Blofelt is just being silly and his shit doesn't work. Fine. But still.
Now Bond feels no real effects of the tortures... Okay, maybe Blofelt is just being silly and his shit doesn't work. Fine. But still.
ViewtifulJC
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the fact is that Daniel Craig is contracted for one more. Like I guess he could pout about it and EON can sue the shit out of him for no fulfilling his obligations, but the man is locked in. Take a nap, enjoy the sun, fuck Rachel Weisz, come back for the next $60 million payday.
He's contracted for more, but that hasn't stopped Bond actors from quitting (Lazenby, Dalton) or being fired (Brosnan) before! If he really wanted out, I'm 100% certain EON would void his contract. But I honestly don't see that happening no matter what he says in the media. He's been saying controversial things to the media for shits and giggles for his whole run as Bond.
so how most sane people should have read his original comments
He just spent a year with this movie, he doesn't wanna think about it for now
Heck even disregarding how he escaped, he barely even had to make that effort in the first place. I mean Blofeld has been behind everything that has happened to Bond, right? This is SPECTRE's HQ, and Bond has to take out about 6 or 7 people perhaps when he leaves the facility? It's bizarre. And in general I agree. Skyfall's had issues for sure, but the tension in the final 90 minutes was brilliant I felt which is why I enjoyed it so much for its action (and Bardem).
ViewtifulJC
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The sooner Craig quits, the sooner we can get the Martin Campbell reboot
Bond cycle means we're due another Roger Moore Bond once Craig is done.
Bobby Roberts
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EON's already stated in public they'll let him go if he wants. There won't be a lawsuit.
Fuck Martin Campbell. Aim higher than that.
HIGH DEF JEFF
Banned
I wish we could get another one off from some actor who totally bombs the performance but makes a good movie.
I'd love to see it but something tells me he can't capture lightning in a bottle a third time.
Also, given Broccoli & Wilson's decision to go with more "highbrow" directors like Forster and Mendes, a trend I see continuing, I don't see Campbell ever being offered the gig again. Plus, dude is OLD now.
But I definitely would have loved to have seen him direct at least one more of Craig's films.
SJRB
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It's coming
Dude can't direct action scenes to save his life. Keep him the fuck away from Bond until he can, please.
To be fair, UNCLE is amazing. Loved the humor and charm in that movie.
I mainly attribute that to Pfister's dank cinematography during those scenes though. It got better in Interstellar once he was out of the equation.
Also, yeah I get it, TDKR phantom punch.
Neither can Mendes and he's already done two Bond films!
Are we talking about the one fight between Matt and Matt in a spacesuit, slowly attacking each other while gasping for air?
The docking/Gargantua sequence.
Not every fight is an action scene, not every action scene is a fight.
PsihoPerihelion
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I don't like Nolan and never will, but I doubt you only need "action" skills to direct a good Bond film. Casino Royale works because of many reasons besides the action.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Actually could be interesting to see.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Craig isn't the problem.
Fancy Clown
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You can't have a Martin Campbell reboot with Craig though
ViewtifulJC
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I feel like the directors have a bigger effect on the storytelling than you think. Like I don't think its an accident that OHMSS ended up so good cuz the director was the Connery Bond editor who understood the rhythms of Bond movies better than anybody. The same guys who wrote Die Another Day also wrote Casino Royale.
True, but they aren't going anywhere. Broccoli & Wilson obviously love them.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I'd rather have Campbell direct the last Craig film tbh.
Exactly, which is why I find the discussion of potential directors as somewhat redundant.
The franchise is under the control of Broccoli & Wilson, full stop. Expecting a director to parashute in and make Casino Royale 2.0 just isn't going to happen as much as we all would love to see it.
Fair enough. I do aim to watch IMAX for the most part.
Fudgepuppy
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Sam Mendes is such a superficial director. All his movies are incredibly shallow, Spectre included. It's one of the most unexciting and uncreative bond-films. I was only once on the edge of my seat, the rest of the movie felt like a muddled mess with laminated characters barely making an effort.
Fire Mendes and get someone who understands tension, interesting characters and general excitement.
Fire Mendes and get someone who understands tension, interesting characters and general excitement.
Mendes doesn't write the scripts.
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