007 SPECTRE |OT| It's me, Austin. It was me all along, Austin.
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biggersmaller
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I only have so many date nights due to kids. Should we see this or Steve Jobs tonight?
For the record, we liked Casino Royale and Skyfall - did not like QoS. Love Social Network.
For the record, we liked Casino Royale and Skyfall - did not like QoS. Love Social Network.
what do you want out of a bond movie
If you liked Casino Royale and Skyfall but did not like Casino of Solace, I'd say go for Spectre.
biggersmaller
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I like a more subtle approach vs the more cartoonish approach. Bond taking a silent swim followed by that Patrice fight after sneaking into that Shanghai hi-rise is a good example of a Bond scene that sticks with me.
biggersmaller
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F0rneus
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You're golden. Go see it.
i think you'll like it. the balance of new/classic bond isn't as well achieved as skyfall though, but you're not going to see bond dressed up as a clown.
Remember the plane?
Anton Sugar
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Posted in the other thread, but Steve Jobs is far and away a better film, imo. But it is kinda like comparing apples to oranges.
Actually, Spectre is so poorly paced while Steve Jobs is so frenetic/full of energy, I think SJ was the more exciting movie, for me.
biggersmaller
Banned
Thanks for the responses!
I suppose I will go with Bond as I kinda want some action and it sounds like it's in-line with the kind of Bond I typically like.
I suppose I will go with Bond as I kinda want some action and it sounds like it's in-line with the kind of Bond I typically like.
which seems like an incredible waste of money (not the homeless bit) since the whole rome segment bar the indoor meeting was an incredible waste of time.
I brought up MGS earlier in the thread, and I'm afraid I started something. Maybe it wasn't me that got the ball rolling, but I'll clarify all the same -- the element that reminded me of MGS isn't the convoluted retconning, but rather the two brothers/ Foxhound dynamic. It's something that's a bit ridiculous when you stop to think about, but engaging all the same. Kind of how I felt about the main thrust of SPECTRE.
I came away nonplussed. It was blah and formulaic. A lot of plot points just jumped along without an inspired direction. Waltz was a waste of talent and the "torture" and villain evil base tour was just laughably Bond Formula (TM) .
In the end it was a passable Bond film with everything you'd expect.
In the end it was a passable Bond film with everything you'd expect.
It is indeed better than awful dogshit, yes
Despite all the concerns I had about the movie before seeing it - the same creative people in key places from Skyfall (which I felt was a major regression and misstep), the unnecessary reintroduction of a long gone villain, and the feeling that it would be Skyfall 2 - I truly did go into the theatre yesterday wanting to and hoping like it.
And I hated it. The trend of each Daniel Craig Bond movie being worse than the one that preceded it continues, sadly, and I felt that this was the biggest drop off yet between films.
I'm getting mighty sick of all the meta homage and bullshit that is cropping up far too often lately in the franchise. DAD was littered with it, but okay, it was the 40th anniversary and all and it was followed up with a reinvigorating direction with CR and QoS. Then came the 50th anniversary and Skyfall and the homage to the series' history was back, but I was less willing to accept it because they reverted back to the "formula" and undid almost all the great progressive work they laid down in Craig's first two films. In Spectre? While a better film than DAD, it's almost as bad for all the wink-wink nudge-nudge references to the old movies. And then they tried to get clever and drop in a Hildebrand Rarity reference for the book fans. Stop it, EON. CR and QoS were such a breath of fresh air into a long stagnant franchise and it frustrates me beyond belief that they've jettisoned that and jumped right back into the Bond formula.
I hated the retcon to tie everything from Craig's films back to
. Hated it. It doesn't cheapen those films but it sure as hell cheapens Spectre to have to rely on fanservice as the major crux of the plot. And don't get me started on
. 45 years wait for......that? Christophe Waltz playing him the same as he's played every character since Inglourious Basterds? Talk about anticlimactic. It would be nice to get another film like CR that stands on its own merits instead of having to shine a light on past glories.
The movie often felt like random scenes smashed together. What was the point of the train scene except to poorly emulate FRWL and get Craig into a white dinner jacket? People gave QoS a lot of flak for moving from action sequence to action sequence with little plot or character development between them, and that's exactly how a lot of Spectre felt to me. There were no real stakes, plotwise of for the characters. The cinematography was a definite step down from Skyfall, which for its faults was by far the best looking Bond film ever. The title sequence and song were pretty ho hum and forgettable.
What did I like? Craig is still a great Bond, either the best or second best to Connery (and inexplicably looked younger in Spectre than in Skyfall). His presence made the movie worth watching. I really liked Lea Seydoux's character and performance. I wish they never brought Q back, but I do really enjoy Ben Whishaw in the role. I liked the pre-titles sequence. There's a few good things in the movie, but in the end I'd say Spectre's greatest feat was making me appreciate Skyfall more.
For Craig's movies, I'd say:
1. Casino Royale
2. Quantum of Solace
3. Skyfall
4. Spectre
And I hated it. The trend of each Daniel Craig Bond movie being worse than the one that preceded it continues, sadly, and I felt that this was the biggest drop off yet between films.
I'm getting mighty sick of all the meta homage and bullshit that is cropping up far too often lately in the franchise. DAD was littered with it, but okay, it was the 40th anniversary and all and it was followed up with a reinvigorating direction with CR and QoS. Then came the 50th anniversary and Skyfall and the homage to the series' history was back, but I was less willing to accept it because they reverted back to the "formula" and undid almost all the great progressive work they laid down in Craig's first two films. In Spectre? While a better film than DAD, it's almost as bad for all the wink-wink nudge-nudge references to the old movies. And then they tried to get clever and drop in a Hildebrand Rarity reference for the book fans. Stop it, EON. CR and QoS were such a breath of fresh air into a long stagnant franchise and it frustrates me beyond belief that they've jettisoned that and jumped right back into the Bond formula.
I hated the retcon to tie everything from Craig's films back to
Blofeld
Blofeld
The movie often felt like random scenes smashed together. What was the point of the train scene except to poorly emulate FRWL and get Craig into a white dinner jacket? People gave QoS a lot of flak for moving from action sequence to action sequence with little plot or character development between them, and that's exactly how a lot of Spectre felt to me. There were no real stakes, plotwise of for the characters. The cinematography was a definite step down from Skyfall, which for its faults was by far the best looking Bond film ever. The title sequence and song were pretty ho hum and forgettable.
What did I like? Craig is still a great Bond, either the best or second best to Connery (and inexplicably looked younger in Spectre than in Skyfall). His presence made the movie worth watching. I really liked Lea Seydoux's character and performance. I wish they never brought Q back, but I do really enjoy Ben Whishaw in the role. I liked the pre-titles sequence. There's a few good things in the movie, but in the end I'd say Spectre's greatest feat was making me appreciate Skyfall more.
For Craig's movies, I'd say:
1. Casino Royale
2. Quantum of Solace
3. Skyfall
4. Spectre
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JeremyEtcetera
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As someone who enjoyed Casino Royale but did not enjoy QoS nor the second half of Skyfall, will I enjoy this movie? Is it more in line with Casino Royale than Skyfall? I feel like CR has yet to be topped, in my opinion of course.
I haven't seen it yet but based on reviews, particularly solo's just now, it's gonna be more in line with Skyfall.
The only proper ranking.
QoS has only grown on me over the years as being a messy, but excellent Bond film.
Someone said earlier, I think maybe it was Bobby, that Spectre is to Skyfall what Quantum of Solace was to Casino Royale. I'd say that's accurate. Craig's tenure has two very different and distinct tones: the stripped down, efficient, ruthless CR and QoS and the more traditional, bulkier Skyfall and Spectre. I'd have loved for all of his films to continue in the manner of CR, but sadly that was not the case. At least CR and QoS exist and will never not exist.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Jesus Christ. Solo's review doesn't help at all.
I know for sure I'm going to hate it.
I know for sure I'm going to hate it.
I liked Quantum of Solace years before the rest of you bandwagoners started showing up! 
This movie did remind me how weird Bond credits sequences are.
This movie did remind me how weird Bond credits sequences are.
Oh, and can we get a fucking editor in the house please? What a slog of a movie to get through.
And don't get me started on using Thomas Newman again. David Arnold was, with every single film, coming into his own, and his work on CR and QoS was phenomenal, only to have his momentum stopped dead in its tracks when Mendes came in.
And don't get me started on using Thomas Newman again. David Arnold was, with every single film, coming into his own, and his work on CR and QoS was phenomenal, only to have his momentum stopped dead in its tracks when Mendes came in.
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JeremyEtcetera
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I'm curious, after reading your review above and this comment, how would you rank this movie amongst the more traditional bond films, instead of CR and QOS? I think if I go into the film with a mentality that it will be like an older bond movie I might like it more. However, if it is bad at even being that, then there is a problem.
SpideySenses
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For better or worse, it's always been Casino Royale 2.0, as the reputation for CR grows even stronger, it's not surprising that Quantum benefits from it.
I think most of us liked it since it came out but it have grown on many Bond fans ever since.I liked Quantum of Solace years before the rest of you bandwagoners started showing up!
Also, Solo have spoken. Spectre is a bad.
By the way, where would you rank Spectre among the rest of the movies Solo?
I am just doing this ranking off the top of my head, so Im sure things will shift again after a second viewing of Spectre, but for me:
1. Casino Royale
2. From Russia With Love
3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
4. The Living Daylights
5. Thunderball
6. Quantum of Solace
7. Goldfinger
8. Dr, No
9. GoldenEye
10. Licence To Kill
11. For Your Eyes Only
12. Skyfall
13. Live And Let Die
14. Spectre
15. The World Is Not Enough
16. The Spy Who Loved Me
17. Tomorrow Never Dies
18. You Only Live Twice
19. The Man With The Golden Gun
20. Octapussy
21. A View To A Kill
22. Diamonds Are Forever
23. Die Another Day
24. Moonraker
ViewtifulJC
Banned
lmaoooooooooooooooooo
I's really cool that you have Goldeneye in your top 10.
dat first driving scene tho
It depends on box office too though. If it's another 1 billion dollar movie like Skyfall, nothing will change. If it lays an egg, then for sure change will come.
Its amazing how everyone was so excited for the franchise when he came on.
And now how he has shit on everything that was built up with the reboots.
He needs to go and everyone he brought on with him. The shift alone between when he had Deakins and not was jarring.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This thread got weird.
Anyway, I don't know what it says about Spectre that the first Bond I'm putting on after watching it is The World is Not Enough.
Anyway, I don't know what it says about Spectre that the first Bond I'm putting on after watching it is The World is Not Enough.
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
Sorry but Moonraker > Diamonds are Forever & DAD
Where you can't see shit.
If we're gonna highlight a single setpiece from QoS, it has to be the opera. I also liked the foot chase in Rome and that brief hand-to-hand brawl in the hotel room.
Most people didn't like it when it came out, and still don't though. It always ranks in the middle to bottom of a lot "rank the Bond movies" lists.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Solo's review crashed NeoGaf.......or was it SPECTRE? Solo is the author of all of NeoGaf's crashes?
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