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[You Are Viewtiful]

And Barack Obama was opposed to gay marriage when he was elected. Hillary is a smart politician. She is pragmatic. It's very likely that what she says publicly doesn't represent her actual views. But you have to understand that she is running for the Democratic party. She wants to run on issues that Southern Demoocrats wont run away from, issues that Dems in red states can run on without taking backlash. It isn't just about one person and their positions.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179195/majority-continues-support-pot-legalization.aspx

Even in the South, depending on the poll, it's a 50/50 issue. Even then, what Sanders is proposing will not force Southern states to legalize marijuana, it will just give them the option to do so if they so please.

The amount of Democrats you energize by proposing legalization heavily outweighs the number of "shy Democrats" you scare away.

 

[teruterubozu]

Hillary better pick Sanders for VP at this point.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Hillary better pick Sanders for VP at this point.

Not with Paul Ryan as Speaker of the House.

Kinda morbid, but you have to think about that if you want two people in their 70s on the ticket.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Bernie is better.

 

[teruterubozu]

Not with Paul Ryan as Speaker of the House.

Kinda morbid, but you have to think about that if you want two people in their 70s on the ticket.

Biden kicked Ryan's ass all over the place. Old people are fine.

 

[Machina]

Not with Paul Ryan as Speaker of the House.

Kinda morbid, but you have to think about that if you want two people in their 70s on the ticket.

Why? Sanders isn't afraid of Ryan.

 

[Konka]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179195/majority-continues-support-pot-legalization.aspx

Even in the South, depending on the poll, it's a 50/50 issue. Even then, what Sanders is proposing will not force Southern states to legalize marijuana, it will just give them the option to do so if they so please.

The amount of Democrats you energize by proposing legalization heavily outweighs the number of "shy Democrats" you scare away.

Keep ignoring political realities if you want, but such a move would allow ads to be run against Dems not even for the issue that they are looking to make drugs legal in their state. The dems who you energize with marijuana are college students who don't vote anyway. I'd rather she make efforts to change it after being elected than taking a more controversial position during the election.

 

[dabig2]

Hillary better pick Sanders for VP at this point.

I rather have him in the Senate pushing Progressive legislation and hopefully at least starting a conversation and dialog. Same with Warren.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Why? Sanders isn't afraid of Ryan.

Biden kicked Ryan's ass all over the place. Old people are fine.

I'm talking about the presidential line of succession.

 

[teruterubozu]

I'm talking about the presidential line of succession.

Well that's morbid.

 

[Cheebo]

Hillary better pick Sanders for VP at this point.

She most definitely is not. You don't put two old people on a ticket. She is going to go young. Julian Castro is a safe bet for Hillarys VP.

 

[Machina]

I'm talking about the presidential line of succession.

I think if Clinton somehow died (most likely to assassination) and Bernie took over immediately, an election wouldn't follow long after. The Democrats would ride the pity vote for Hillary being knocked off all the way to the bank.

 

[teruterubozu]

She most definitely is not. You don't put two old people on a ticket. She is going to go young. Julian Castro is a safe bet for Hillarys VP.

Who? Why would she want to drop all those Bernie supporters?

 

[Konka]

Well that's morbid.

It's a real consideration though.

Who? Why would she want to drop all those Bernie supporters?

Most of them will vote Clinton anyway. He doesn't bring much else to the ticket.

 

[shinra-bansho]

It's realistic since Hillary Clinton is secretly dying.

 

[Oppo]

that is a pretty weak position to take. we all know de criminalization is all but inevitable at this point. smacks of calculation.

 

[Cerium]

Who? Why would she want to drop all those Bernie supporters?

Not picking Bernie for VP doesn't mean dropping all of his supporters lol.

Obama didn't pick Clinton in 2008 and her supporters pitched a fit about it before they went and voted for Obama anyway.

 

[teruterubozu]

But Biden was a great pick. Hillary needs someone similar who can galvanize the voters.

 

[Cerium]

But Biden was a great pick. Hillary needs someone similar who can galvanize the voters.

Castro would help her draw an amazing contrast with Trump.

 

[Quixzlizx]

Calling for more access for medical research isn't really a bold move, considering what Is happening in terms of marijuana legislation right now.

It's great only if we aren't going to see federal legalization under a Clinton admin.

We wouldn't see federal legalization under a Sanders admin, either.

 

[teruterubozu]

Castro would help her draw an amazing contrast with Trump.

Ugh. Low fruit.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Ugh. Low fruit.

A low fruit that could bring out an important voting demographic. More important than Bernie's core demographic.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Why? Sanders isn't afraid of Ryan.

It's not that. If Hillary and Bernie were to kick the bucket, Paul Ryan would be next in line for President.

 

[teruterubozu]

A low fruit that could bring out an important voting demographic. More important than Bernie's core demographic.

I guess. It just makes me sigh over the whole shenanigans.

 

[Machina]

It's not that. If Hillary and Bernie were to kick the bucket, Paul Ryan would be next in line for President.

I understand that is a scary proposition but losing both Hillary and Bernie in one presidential term is highly unlikely, unless you think Paul Ryan is likely to pull a Frank Underwood and shoot Air Force One out of the sky.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Keep ignoring political realities if you want, but such a move would allow ads to be run against Dems not even for the issue that they are looking to make drugs legal in their state. The dems who you energize with marijuana are college students who don't vote anyway. I'd rather she make efforts to change it after being elected than taking a more controversial position during the election.

You don't have any stats to back you up. If Democrats let themselves be buried by spooky ads when they have majority support on that issue, then that's their own damn fault. Marijuana should be a winning issue through and through, same category as Citizens United.

"The dems who you energize with marijuana are college students who don't vote anyway." -- The whole point is to get people who support you to the polls. If we don't have young people voting (a solid group of liberals) then Democrats have dropped the ball big time. The way you get them to the polls is by having policies like these. Also, millions of people have been arrested over marijuana use, and those people have family as well. This issue affects way more than young people, it affects working class and visible minority Americans as well. 38% of Americans have smoked marijuana before.

 

[Mr. X]

Does she even have a stance on the "war on drugs" and how these laws affect minorities and lower class citizens?

 

[teruterubozu]

Does she even have a stance on the "war on drugs" and how these laws affect minorities and lower class citizens?

It's for science. You know, liberals love science.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Keep ignoring political realities if you want, but such a move would allow ads to be run against Dems not even for the issue that they are looking to make drugs legal in their state. The dems who you energize with marijuana are college students who don't vote anyway. I'd rather she make efforts to change it after being elected than taking a more controversial position during the election.

Political realities, Canada just went through this and our government overcame the 'attack' ads.

 

[Monocle]

And Barack Obama was opposed to gay marriage when he was elected. Hillary is a smart politician. She is pragmatic. It's very likely that what she says publicly doesn't represent her actual views. But you have to understand that she is running for the Democratic party. She wants to run on issues that Southern Demoocrats wont run away from, issues that Dems in red states can run on without taking backlash. It isn't just about one person and their positions.

Exactly. Obama's opposition to gay marriage and later "evolution" on the subject was transparently pragmatic. It's strange to see people act as though a canny politician wouldn't modulate their public positions on controversial issues. Why isn't this obvious? The circus that is American politics demands good marketing.

You have to look at a politician's voting record to get a sense of their actual values. You have to identify the causes on which they spent their time and political capital. And in cases like this one, where a major portion of the public clings to positions based on ignorance and misinformation, you can't pull a Bernie Sanders and say "to hell with this, it's time for a revolution" before you're even elected. No, if you're actually interested in winning a position where you can effect real change, and you don't want to get wrecked by rabid opposition, you tune your message to be as marketable as possible. There are some delicate issues, like drug legalization, where you can't do much more than hint at the intended trajectory of your policies.

Then again, a bait and switch is never out of the question. Maybe Hillary really is conservative about drugs, and the tide of public opinion will have to shift before she pushes for legalization and decriminalization.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

I understand that is a scary proposition but losing both Hillary and Bernie in one presidential term is highly unlikely, unless you think Paul Ryan is likely to pull a Frank Underwood and shoot Air Force One out of the sky.

Hillary is 68, while Bernie is 74. It's a legitimate concern, and I say this as a huge Bernie supporter.

 

[Odrion]

Some people can hate Bernie all they want, but if you support him or Hillary, you should appreciate his strong presence that obviously forces Hillary to stay on her feet.

Lmao if you think she wouldn't go back on her word.

 

[sangreal]

I understand that is a scary proposition but losing both Hillary and Bernie in one presidential term is highly unlikely, unless you think Paul Ryan is likely to pull a Frank Underwood and shoot Air Force One out of the sky.

not even one term -- they'd have to both die before a replacement vp could be confirmed

Hillary is 68, while Bernie is 74. It's a legitimate concern, and I say this as a huge Bernie supporter.

it really isn't

 

[Foffy]

Was a non issue in April



Suddenly after people have pointed out how awful the war on drugs is she switches position.

This generation cannot do anything about jobs and an economy, for we will perhaps inherit the most insoluble frameworks in the history of the developed world regarding these things. We will see those very things collapse, more than anything...

I think doing something about the lives ruined over bad ideas today over the petty war on drugs is quite important. Far more important than nonsense like jobs and economies, which themselves have become tumors for even worse ideas about life and its evocations.

 

[NimbusD]

Yeah, this is pretty par for the course. Half measures meant to please liberals but not rile up the crazy conservatives, but doesn't really do much.

 

[campfireweekend]

Lmao if you think she wouldn't go back on her word.

Lmao if you think she would. Study after study has shown that presidents largely keep their campaign promises.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/presidents-keep-their-campaign-promises/2011/08/25/gIQAwCA9DQ_blog.html

 

[Dali]

Was a non issue in April



Suddenly after people have pointed out how awful the war on drugs is she switches position.

Weed improves all those things except climate change. Legal weed would creates jobs, improve the economy and definitely contributes to peace in the world.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

it really isn't

When average life expectancy for men in the US is 76, being 74 when signing up for an 8-year job is kind of a problem.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

not even one term -- they'd have to both die before a replacement vp could be confirmed



it really isn't

You're right since they both have to die at the same time within the same term. If I'm correct, the VP replacement has to be approved by both houses of Congress, which could give us a Democratic President (if Hillary were to die and her VP becomes President) and a Republican VP (both houses controlled by Republicans).

 

[noshten]

Weed improves all those things except climate change. Legal weed would creates jobs, improve the economy and definitely contributes to peace in the world.

I don't really look at legality from a financial stand point but it's a valid point.

Colorado county creates weed tax scholarship for higher education

“It’s a landmark vote,” said Brian Vicente, a Denver-based marijuana attorney who wrote Colorado’s 2012 legalization measure. “This is the first time you have marijuana tax money being used directly for scholarships, and that’s pretty remarkable.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...eed-tax-scholarship-for-higher-education.html

​Revenue From Colorado Marijuana Tax Expected To Double In 2015

Colorado is on track to more than double the state's marijuana tax revenues this year, showing up the $44 million collected in 2014 with a projected 2015 windfall of $125 million, reports The Guardian. The state hoped to collect $70 million in 2014, but fell short.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/colorado-marijuana-tax-revenue-2015_560053c4e4b00310edf806d3

It's high time for legalization but that's just the first step to fixing the broken system in place right now which criminalizes drug use and demonizes addicts while taking away the right of many non-violent drug offenders to vote.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Some people can hate Bernie all they want, but if you support him or Hillary, you should appreciate his strong presence that obviously forces Hillary to stay on her feet.

I do. He's forcing Clinton not to rest and pushing liberal polices in to the dem platform

 

[noshten]

repost

 

[RDreamer]

When average life expectancy for men in the US is 76, being 74 when signing up for an 8-year job is kind of a problem.

But it's not an 8 year job. You can pick a new VP when you run again you know.

 

[Zornack]

Bernie would be a terrible VP pick. Most Bernie supports will vote for Hillary and those who don't are likely to live in states where their support doesn't matter, the state will go blue regardless.

 

[NobleXenon]

It's realistic since Hillary Clinton is secretly dying.

I swear I saw that exact same headline at the checkout stand at Wal-Mart on the Enquirer Magazine.

 

[shintoki]

Also I don't know how reclassifying marijuana will help with the underling issue of it being used as a pretext to wage war on minorities and youth. Voter suppression is also not allowing convicts to vote, personally not only marijuana should be legalized but anyone in jail for non-violent/trafficking drug offenses should be released and record cleared.
This is why in the other thread I mentioned Bernie is not going far enough with his stance on marijuana there is a far greater issue at hand.

Nothing wrong with that at all. Its because of those two and their popular support she has to push for it more. Also losing to Obama 8 years ago, made her understand very well why. The youth can get relied up and drive you to victory

 

[LiquidSolid]

Ugh. Low fruit.

And going as Bernie as VP just to placate his fans isn't?

I'm not American but unless we're assuming that Bernie's fans are so childish they'd rather vote for a Republican than Hillary, he doesn't really bring anything to her campaign. Whereas going with Julian Castro (or his brother) would not only appeal to a discriminated minority but also help set up a rising Democratic star for a presidential run in the future.

 

[tokkun]

A low fruit that could bring out an important voting demographic. More important than Bernie's core demographic.

When is the last time this argument about a VP bringing out a specific voting bloc ever worked?

Romney picked Ryan and Wisconsin was not close
McCain picked Palin and women were not close
Kerry picked Edwards and the South was not close

VPs really only make a difference if they turn out to be a disaster and make the candidate look incompetent for picking them.

The media loves to come up with these narratives like Obama picking Biden to compensate for lack of foreign policy experience, but I have yet to see any convincing evidence that it matters one iota. People care a lot more about their traditional voting interests than they do about a token person in a position that is often largely ceremonial. Latinos will vote how they vote regardless of whether Castro is on the ticket, just like upper middle-class white Twitter activists are going to vote Democratic regardless of whether Bernie is on the ticket.

 

[BigDug13]

Because she's just saying things to get elected. She won't actually fight for them.

I thought there was a recent study that concluded that most politicians actually DO follow through with their campaign promises.

 

[lednerg]

Schedule II isn't all that great, either. That's where you'll find methamphetamine, morphine, opium, cocaine, etc.