Mister Megative
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You do know those numbers align perfectly with historical October sales since 2006, right? Please tell me more about how they underperformed.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2015 [Up1: Xbox #1]
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You do know those numbers align perfectly with historical October sales since 2006, right? Please tell me more about how they underperformed.
In Service
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Word.
I love me some Halo when I'm in the mood but it isn't the same, and never will be the same, as Halo 3 for me.
harrisk954
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If this is the confirmed numbers now, how the heck did MS get to $400 million in sales??? Has anyone tried to come up with a computation for this? If MS only sold 300,000 XB1s in October, most of which were likely not the $500 Halo bundle and you throw in some limited editions,etc.... there is no way to get to $400 million, even if you extrapolate to worldwide numbers... Anyone figured out this puzzle yet?
Not sure about other Octobers, but this one had a price drop for the PS4 and Halo for the Xbone. Many expected bigger numbers due to that. I mean, the PS4 saw a decline YoY at a lower price.
ethomaz
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Yes... 12 days.
A-tier or AAAA games are games that sell 8+ million (Call of Duty, Battlefield, previously-AC, Borderlands, Uncharted, The Last of Us, The Elder Scrolls, previously-Halo, previously-Gran Turismo, Diablo, Star Wars & most likely Fallout 4 this year, and I'm sure there are more that I forgot), less than 5 million is not what I'd call A-tier as that's not even close to the sales of the games I mentioned previously.
You are neglecting the two biggest factors at play here. One, Prior to now Halo had never launched in October. Two, PS4 just had a price cut which if IIRC has not happened in any previous October. I think it is fair to say that both consoles under performed given the circumstances this year.
If this is the confirmed numbers now, how the heck did MS get to $400 million in sales??? Has anyone tried to come up with a computation for this? If MS only sold 300,000 XB1s in October, most of which were likely not the $500 Halo bundle and you throw in some limited editions,etc.... there is no way to get to $400 million, even if you extrapolate to worldwide numbers... Anyone figured out this puzzle yet?
Digital sales? NPD doesn't track those, right?
Steverulez
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Microsoft launched a new entry in their biggest franchise and Sony dropped the price by $50 and included a game in the bundle (Destiny bundle was $449 last year I think?)
I don't think that is particularly good for either of them, even if things are aligned with historical data.
Halo has always launched in September or November (and September releases had hardware bumps iirc), PS4 price drop may well do much more for them next month - in fact its very likely but I don't think many expected it to drop compared to last year with those conditions as they are.
MisterR
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It's basically been confirmed by multiple people who also have access to NPD numbers.
If this is the confirmed numbers now, how the heck did MS get to $400 million in sales??? Has anyone tried to come up with a computation for this? If MS only sold 300,000 XB1s in October, most of which were likely not the $500 Halo bundle and you throw in some limited editions,etc.... there is no way to get to $400 million, even if you extrapolate to worldwide numbers... Anyone figured out this puzzle yet?
Sold in hardware.
tiredheadcrab
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If this is the confirmed numbers now, how the heck did MS get to $400 million in sales??? Has anyone tried to come up with a computation for this? If MS only sold 300,000 XB1s in October, most of which were likely not the $500 Halo bundle and you throw in some limited editions,etc.... there is no way to get to $400 million, even if you extrapolate to worldwide numbers... Anyone figured out this puzzle yet?
Accessories, like the halo controllers and maybe Req packs?
When I say retail, I include etail sales. As in retail copies purchased online. I order the majority of my (retail) games online, and 90% of the time I'll get them at least a day early, depending on the etailer I'm buying from. Granted that's not the case for most people, but if we're talking benefits to a niche consumer base, it's still certainly a more enticing prospect than a midnight preload. As is the cheaper price in the first place.
My bigger point is that the numbers just don't matter all that much anymore. I find them novel to look at but I don't think Microsoft or Sony care about beating each other. They care about revenue. I think that Sony is happy that they are back to making money as a whole and couldn't care less if Microsoft won this month.
The amount of anger and vitriol spewed in this thread is getting absurd for how much these numbers actually matter.
Controllers, micro transactions, probably anything stamped with Halo on the box.If this is the confirmed numbers now, how the heck did MS get to $400 million in sales??? Has anyone tried to come up with a computation for this? If MS only sold 300,000 XB1s in October, most of which were likely not the $500 Halo bundle and you throw in some limited editions,etc.... there is no way to get to $400 million, even if you extrapolate to worldwide numbers... Anyone figured out this puzzle yet?
MisterR
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If this is the confirmed numbers now, how the heck did MS get to $400 million in sales??? Has anyone tried to come up with a computation for this? If MS only sold 300,000 XB1s in October, most of which were likely not the $500 Halo bundle and you throw in some limited editions,etc.... there is no way to get to $400 million, even if you extrapolate to worldwide numbers... Anyone figured out this puzzle yet?
Micro transactions.
In Service
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If this is the confirmed numbers now, how the heck did MS get to $400 million in sales??? Has anyone tried to come up with a computation for this? If MS only sold 300,000 XB1s in October, most of which were likely not the $500 Halo bundle and you throw in some limited editions,etc.... there is no way to get to $400 million, even if you extrapolate to worldwide numbers... Anyone figured out this puzzle yet?
Argh, someone is going to say "Digital sales?".
ITS A TRAP!
Edit: Here it was:
Other games do well outside the US & UK though. If Halo sells 1.1 million in those two markets FW, then there isn't that many more units sold WW.
The difference is that the PS4 had a price drop & XB1 had its biggest exclusive yet. 275k in a price drop month is atrocious.
Yeah that's really nice and fitting explanation. I would be good if Microsoft can establish next Halo / Gears (not genre-wise but brand popularity wise).
_/¯. So many people avoid it now because of how it plays and how hard it can be to get into the series.
MisterR
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If you're offended by sales threads, it's best to just stay out of them.
Japanmanx3
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No mod has confirmed or denied George. So far Cosmic has posted seemingly verifying that this was official and off site ZhugeEX has vouched for George. Take that how you will. The dude is still walking tall and Nirolak is back in the thread....
harrisk954
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Even WW and with digital, $400 million? There is a HUGE gap there when we know that the US generally sells the most Halo. They would have needed to sell way more digital copies worldwide than is believable to me.
If this is the confirmed numbers now, how the heck did MS get to $400 million in sales??? Has anyone tried to come up with a computation for this? If MS only sold 300,000 XB1s in October, most of which were likely not the $500 Halo bundle and you throw in some limited editions,etc.... there is no way to get to $400 million, even if you extrapolate to worldwide numbers... Anyone figured out this puzzle yet?
It would have been a major scramble, that's for sure. But going back to the thread about them announcing "biggest Halo launch in history" etc. It seems all bullshit now. Unless they counted every sale with the Halo name on it for the entire world that is (clothing, bubblegum, toys, collectibles, comics, books, OST's, etc). That's really the only way to land at $400 million.
Like $200 million worth? Can't see it.
Lol someone please explain the context behind this!!
If this is the confirmed numbers now, how the heck did MS get to $400 million in sales??? Has anyone tried to come up with a computation for this? If MS only sold 300,000 XB1s in October, most of which were likely not the $500 Halo bundle and you throw in some limited editions,etc.... there is no way to get to $400 million, even if you extrapolate to worldwide numbers... Anyone figured out this puzzle yet?
Keep in mind that number was the worldwide launch, not just the US. Not to mention we have no idea what they included exactly in that figure. For all we know they even counted money generated from the REQ thing.
MisterR
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Who knows. PR is bullshit for a reason. There is nothing concrete in it. For all we know they added any new Xbox Live memberships for the month.
Sure, for Halo 5 itself this isn't helpful, certainly.
It's essentially matching what a 5 million multiplatform title does, but obviously lacks the other markets that get said titles to 5 million. Such is the life of a platform exclusive.
That said, I suspect they'll keep bundling it and putting it on deep sales in hopes of growing the brand again, so its legs will be a bit better in the US/UK than someone going for a higher ASP like many publishers do these days.
Japanmanx3
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But this is literally a sales thread...about the numbers...what were you expecting???
Mister Megative
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Halo has always launched in September or November, two months with sales traditionally higher than October. Also, October is one month before the biggest sales deluge in America. You think people are gonna pay 350 for a console when they can get one for 299 with a bunch of free games? Hell, Xbone was up 81% YoY. Look at it this way: last October Xbone sold 168k, then went on to sell 1.2 million the next month. PS4 sales are essentially flat YoY. Again, this is right before Blck Friday month. Were you expecting 400k+ sales over a 50 dollar price cut right before the November sales rush. Please. Insane deals and massive holiday sales are the new normal. The sky isn't falling.
This is always how it goes. Consoles are dead until they aren't, blah blah blah.
If this is the confirmed numbers now, how the heck did MS get to $400 million in sales??? Has anyone tried to come up with a computation for this? If MS only sold 300,000 XB1s in October, most of which were likely not the $500 Halo bundle and you throw in some limited editions,etc.... there is no way to get to $400 million, even if you extrapolate to worldwide numbers... Anyone figured out this puzzle yet?
They were sold in (aka shipped) figures and included HW bundles and accessories as well as digital sales and Microtransaction profits. You basically can't read anything into them at all. They are effectively meaningless with the number of unpredictable variables that would have to be accounted for.
Japanmanx3
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Something about the person on the left claimed he could fly but the person on the right countered and the dude spazzed.
I wish ms would just drop numbers.
Better Halo sales.
I think this thread is rather tame considering the bomb that just went off.
Fallout 4 shipped 12 million unit worldwide!
Jesus.
https://twitter.com/VG_Dave/status/665184522338738176
Jesus.
https://twitter.com/VG_Dave/status/665184522338738176
Some say it's the Black Friday effect, but BF has an effect on -all- October sales.
For PS4, the only negative effect I see on October sales is the possibility of the Limited edition bundles in November being very attractive as they also benefitted from the price cut.
Both the BF and COD bundles chart pretty high as pre orders in September and October, particularly Battlefront.
Noiw November will also see both consoles hitting the psychological $299 price point.
I already feel for Abdiel and our other Retail insiders ...
edit: Imho, the XB1 having no LE bundles in November has no such "excuse". It's just terrible with little chance of redemption in Nov I think.
And I was betting on a new $50 price drop for MS hehe.
statham
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who?
Katana_Strikes
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Wow Fallout just outsold Halo like 10:1 but in just a day vs a weeks worth.
Another thing is that if they keep the smaller userbase interested long enough & sell them enough microtransactions, it might not be as bad as the sales look right now, releasing the MP portion next year as F2P would probably salvage the situation.
Hmm.. You should read this. Digital sales are not that big as you think it is :
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=183867329
Those are some seriously insane numbers. But I think Black Ops 3 will still be ahead, but both will definitely be ahead of Battlefront in sales IMO.Fallout 4 shipped 12 million unit worldwide!
Jesus.
https://twitter.com/VG_Dave/status/665184522338738176
ethomaz
Banned
I will try to explain...
1. First they showed sold-in revenue.
300k $500 Halo 5 bundles sold WW can means 400k $500 Halo 5 bundles shipped WW
$200m
2m $60 games sold WW can means 3m games shipped WW
$180m
2. Add $99 and $250 LE editions
3. Add micro transactions
Ohhh wait with 400k bundles and 3m games shipped I already near to cross $400m revenue... I guess I need to down a bit theses numbers.
These are very good points, crazy how much has changed in 3 years.
Not necessarily at all honestly, Sony's strategy may have been influenced by Microsoft's, so if Microsoft started with a different strategy hypothetically then you will also have to consider that Sony would have reacted differently. Especially since it is a different Sony altogether to the Early Kutaragi PS3 era.
If MS screwing up was the significant part for people switching to PS4, then PS3 screw ups (which were even worse) are a significant reason for people switching to Xbox 360 in giving it "behemoth" status in the 1st place.
Cosmic and Zhuge
Fallout 4 shipped 12 million unit worldwide!
Jesus.
https://twitter.com/VG_Dave/status/665184522338738176
This is up from 7 million for Skyrim: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452244
Queso and (less reliable in a way) Zhuge.
Fallout 4 shipped 12 million unit worldwide!
Jesus.
https://twitter.com/VG_Dave/status/665184522338738176
Okay, I severely underestimated that game, it might actually sell better than Battlefront & even FIFA as the #2 selling game this year.