Ronda Rousey: I can beat Mayweather in a no-rules fight.
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PetriP-TNT
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If Batman Arkham-series have taught me anything about fighting you can win larger and stronger opponents just by hitting them many times in quick succession.
PeskyToaster
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Hahahaha remember that one crazy thread about Persona and how HolyBaikal changed the person's life even though they never met or talked. lol. I need to go find that.
that thread was godly.
Don't worry. She'll just "grapple" him.lmao.
Oh yeah, she can def beat floyd. i mean, look at her technique. Too fast for money.
Grappler defenders always bring up Royce Gracie. Gracie was the greatest grappler ever. Rousey is no Gracie.
If Rousey were to grab a hold of Mayweaher I doubt she can do anything to him as he's far too strong for her. Rousey grabbed Holm a few times in the fight but never came close to put her in any type of danger.
If Rousey were to grab a hold of Mayweaher I doubt she can do anything to him as he's far too strong for her. Rousey grabbed Holm a few times in the fight but never came close to put her in any type of danger.
and Rousey doesn't have a fraction of BJJ talent that Gracie has. All the tricks in the hat she has is that judo throw and arm bar. One trick pony.
"But Holm has trained all her life to defend take downs. Mayweather's footwork only works in boxing. Holm can beat Rousey. But Rousey can beat Mayweather because I feel strongly about how terrible Mayweather is, and I'm stuck up UFC's ass."
Rockandrollclown
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Amazing seeing the turnaround in this thread since it was first posted.
FriedConsole
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Pantera reference
There's no actual "turnaround."
The people who backed her up just stopped coming into the thread and posting altogether.
Daffy Duck
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nvm I'll post in the other thread I just saw.
_illmatic_
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lol, pretty much sums it up.
Vicetrailia
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No striker can do anything about Royce Gracie. He neutralizes strikes and will close in. It's unavoidable. But Rousey will never touch that.
OH SNAP! Even Lady Gaga is taking shots at Ronda
https://instagram.com/p/-GCdkFpFOm/
http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/haymak...-rousey-after-knockout-loss-at-ufc-193-111515
https://instagram.com/p/-GCdkFpFOm/
http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/haymak...-rousey-after-knockout-loss-at-ufc-193-111515
DKehoe
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Royce is not the best grappler ever. He wasn't even close to being the best of his brothers.
I see some people here talking about the effectiveness of grappling without knowing a damn thing about it.
Here's some recommended viewing. Firas Zahabi (coach of GSP and Rory MacDonald) did an absolutely fantastic breakdown of the grappling exchanges between Holm and Rousey. It'll give you a clear picture of what actually went down during them that you probably missed during your viewing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3stwtCmWTA
Here's some recommended viewing. Firas Zahabi (coach of GSP and Rory MacDonald) did an absolutely fantastic breakdown of the grappling exchanges between Holm and Rousey. It'll give you a clear picture of what actually went down during them that you probably missed during your viewing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3stwtCmWTA
_illmatic_
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Really nice analysis. Thanks for the posting that.
No problem. Glad you enjoyed it.
Ronda really came closer to finishing that fight than most people watching realized, but Holm was clearly prepared. That's full credit to both Holm and her coaching staff. Jackson's camp is pretty much the best in MMA for a reason.
No, dude, no. You don't win a bronze medal in judo at the Olympics with just a "judo throw and an arm bar". Medaling in judo is a greater honor than any award that exists in BJJ. Also, BJJ is just judo with modified rules and a focus on the guard over standup.
Ronda got thrashed but let's not be silly- she's one of the best all-around grapplers in ALL women's combat sports.
_illmatic_
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Yeah, I agree. I didn't watch the fight, only highlights. It's amazing to see a fighter execute a gameplan that well. Holm and her team was prepared. It's difficult to stay focused and not do what you want to do naturally, especially under pressure while getting hit.
DKehoe
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I can't watch the video just now but thanks for posting it. I'll make sure to check it out.
Another thing with the Jackson camp is that they have been preparing Holm specifically for Rousey for years now. So Holm's gameplan was so much more in depth than Rousey's. I really have to wonder (and I know I'm not the only one) if this the end of Rousey training with Edmund Tarverdyan. Although I can also see Ronda being stubborn enough to not want to change anything so she can prove everyone wrong. Also she seems to be really loyal to him.
Shai-Tan
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Rousey's judo is good in mma is because her mom taught her a lot of newaza (ground work). Because of time limits sports judo is not conducive to a focus on ground work so there are very few who would have a base that is good in mma.
PdotMichael
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lmao.
Oh yeah, she can def beat floyd. i mean, look at her technique. Too fast for money.
Way bigger problem is that she has no punch power. And boxers are trained to deal way more critical hits than MMA fighters, people like to forget th there is a referee in boxing who brings the two boxers in perfect punch range again and again.
Boxing has twice so many KO as MMA although they are using boxing gloves for a reason.
CopperPuppy
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The hypothetical Rousey-Mayweather fight was always a moronic and ludicrous thought experiment. Her loss does not change or somehow reinforce that. For anyone with a functioning brain and even rudimentary knowledge of combat sports, there was never a question of "who would win" (except for the fact that we would all be losers) in such a matchup.
The funniest part about the thread bump, though, isn't the fact that all of the people who claimed Rousey could win are now somehow eating their words or being shown how silly they were. The funniest part is everyone who "knew better" coming in and posting smug pictures and comments to show how wrong everyone else was. This is sadder than the people claiming Rousey would have had a chance in the first place. You're not showing anyone the business, you're just bragging about the painfully obvious to a group of people who didn't care enough to form an educated opinion in the first place.
The funniest part about the thread bump, though, isn't the fact that all of the people who claimed Rousey could win are now somehow eating their words or being shown how silly they were. The funniest part is everyone who "knew better" coming in and posting smug pictures and comments to show how wrong everyone else was. This is sadder than the people claiming Rousey would have had a chance in the first place. You're not showing anyone the business, you're just bragging about the painfully obvious to a group of people who didn't care enough to form an educated opinion in the first place.
FortuneFaded
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Yes, to protect the boxer's hands. Faces can take a lot of beating but hands can't.
PdotMichael
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Absolutely, the MMA harcore fanbase doesn't get it though.
They also reduce facial injuries, some good punches of a world class boxer and your face is ruined.
onepiecefan
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lmao.
Oh yeah, she can def beat floyd. i mean, look at her technique. Too fast for money.
LOOOL this made me laugh more then it should have.
Cloggerdude
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Holy crap.
I do think it would be interesting to see how Mayweather would handle being on the ground with Rousey though. Yes, there's a 99.9% chance that he would never get there in the first place, but still. Would the difference in strength between the two allow him to get back up before she could tap him out? It's an interesting hypothetical....that we will never see.
lmao.
Oh yeah, she can def beat floyd. i mean, look at her technique. Too fast for money.
This gif never gets old. LOL
Why are you even trying? The fact that the poster even said that should tell you everything.
If someone honestly thinks a grappler loses against person that has never grappled in their life in a no holds barred fight, I will gladly challenge them to a bet and take their money. If ufc needs a big fight for ufc 200 they should toss 100 million at Mayweather and make this fight happen. Make it Jose Aldo vs Mayweather if the commission doesn't want deal with the obvious gender issue.
_illmatic_
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Ray Mercer nearly killed Tim Sylvia once but i think Tim Sylvia wanted or had to keep the fight standing.
Tim Sylvia wasn't known for his grappling. He was only the king of an even more shallow heavyweight division than the current one. Not exactly the kind of person that you want to bring up in this kind of debate.
Honestly, Holm is the prototype for making the transition to MMA. She had 2 great striking bases in Boxing and Kickboxing, and then learned the rest from the best camp out there.
The boxing vs MMA debate will always be stupid because they are two different sports with completely different rulesets. The boxing side makes this assumption that you can just walk over without learning a grappling base and smoke people for free, while the MMA side gets too caught in defending it by pointing out that you need multiple bases to do well these days, but they take it to the point of snobbery where they have to attempt to put down boxing as a sport in the process.
It's a stupid debate fueled by a stupid media that wants easy clicks, and a ton of people buy into it, including Ronda herself. A boxer going over to MMA without learning more skills will get destroyed, while an MMA fighter going over to boxing without further developing skills that work well under the boxing ruleset will probably get owned up too.
It's as simple as that people.
Xan Kriegor
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Great post.
BadAss2961
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An MMA fighter casually going over to boxing will get owned up too, or at least never make it to the point of fighting actual contenders.
A good boxer who's serious about making it in MMA can train and make it happen before the other way around. Boxing has evolved over centuries and demands a more particular set of skills than MMA which is still more of a free-for-all at its core. Anyone who's elite at certain disciplines can learn enough in a few years to be a contender in the sport, boxing being one of them. Holly's proven it. We got to see it happen in WMMA first because there's probably more money and fame for her in the UFC than there was for her in women's boxing. Elite male boxers have no reason to make the switch.
I agree with that. Most of the people that have dominated in MMA came in with an elite background in one of the bases. Mostly either wrestling or kickboxing. Just based on that alone, it's easy to see that an elite level boxer that seriously made the transition properly would have just as much success.
I just don't think that really says anything about the ridiculous MMA vs Boxing "debate."
DonasaurusRex
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lmao.
Oh yeah, she can def beat floyd. i mean, look at her technique. Too fast for money.
Explains why the fight went like this.....
Freshmaker
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People did tell me that a boxer crosstraining is somehow impossible earlier in the thread.
unless your opponent is tired as shit, it's not possible, period.
It's not possible to overcome a strength advantage? I guess you've never seen Brock Lesnar or Kimbo Slice lose in MMA. They were easily stronger than their opponents and yet they lost.
That really only happens when the skill gap is wide, or there is some other circumstance involved. When you have two opponents of similar skill levels technically, strength will most likely become the deciding factor.
DonasaurusRex
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and here i thought it was pain
The Spoony Hou
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unless your opponent is tired as shit, it's not possible, period.
No need to get so defensive about it. If you don't get it, you just don't.
Right, it sounds like people think that if Ronda attempts to take Floyd down he will stand there confused because what she is doing is outside of the rules of boxing and it wont compute in his brain
Thanks for posting that. I actually learned a lot from that and felt most of it was practical knowledge anyone could learn from and keep in mind if they unfortunately got into a fight.
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