outunderthestars
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AT this point I can't tell who is kidding anymore.
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BLM protesters at Dartmouth College storm library and yell at people
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AT this point I can't tell who is kidding anymore.
The enemy is endemic to the American system and yes, that includes apathetic students in libraries purposefully ignoring the plight and protest of black America.
A few minutes of BLM chants isn't going to ruin their college careers.
It's an awfully large leap from students studying in a library to said students being 1) apathetic and 2) purposefully ignoring the plight or protest of black America, which implies some sort of intent.
AT this point I can't tell who is kidding anymore.
He's not. And I believe he's right.
PezDispenser
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If the white people are feeling uncomfortable and inconvenienced then it makes it harder to ignore and they'll actually listen. Another good protest by BLM imo.
He's right, whenever somebody shouts at me repeatedly to the point of discomfort as I'm trying to mind my own business, it always results in me being more sympathetic to their cause, and more willing to listen to their repeated shouting.
It's an awfully large leap from students studying in a library to said students being 1) apathetic and 2) purposefully ignoring the plight or protest of black America, which implies some sort of intent.
I didn't intent to claim that all the students in the library were apathetic or purposefully ignorant, only to say that the "enemy" of progress (referencing the poster I quoted) is in libraries as much as in the homes and streets of white America.
Corronchilejano
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BLM placing 'em nails in the coffin.
Edit: wait, Breitbart is the source?
Edit: wait, Breitbart is the source?
Kid Kamikaze10
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It's an awfully large leap from students studying in a library to said students being 1) apathetic and 2) purposefully ignoring the plight or protest of black America, which implies some sort of intent.
But the result is remains the same. Which is more important than intent.
The video accompanying the article doesn't seem to contain any of the more noteworthy claims made by the original Dartmouth article.
What do you expect from a right wing rag like the Washington Times.
Eh, college kids gonna act like college kids. Based off of the video it looked pretty harmless; although I'm sure I would've been pissed off if I was in the library trying to study at the time.
Still, not like it's finals season or anything, so it's ultimately just a minor disruption. Dickish, yeah, but nothing for anyone that's not directly impacted (i.e., people trying to study at the library) should really get up in arms about.
Girl flipping off the camera was kind of cute. Very edgy.
Still, not like it's finals season or anything, so it's ultimately just a minor disruption. Dickish, yeah, but nothing for anyone that's not directly impacted (i.e., people trying to study at the library) should really get up in arms about.
Girl flipping off the camera was kind of cute. Very edgy.
If the white people are feeling uncomfortable and inconvenienced then it makes it harder to ignore and they'll actually listen. Another good protest by BLM imo.
Because all white people are against black people until confronted directly and hostilely.
outunderthestars
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But the result is remains the same. Which is more important than intent.
PETA operates the same way. When you're down to emulating PETA tactics then you need to rethink your plans.
Not that this necessarily calls the story into question, but the Dartmouth Review's a fairly right wing rag with a history of racial nastiness. Just for context, Dinesh D'Douza, noted crazy person, wrote for them when he was at Dartmouth.
In the second chapter of What's So Great About America, D'Souza defends colonialism, arguing that the problem with Africa is not that it was colonized, but rather that it was not colonized long enough. He supports the European colonization of India and other countries, claiming that Christian colonization was a good thing for India because it was a way for Indians to escape the caste system, superstitions and poverty.
you're right. Dinesh is cray-cray
AnathemicOne
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I didn't intent to claim that all the students in the library were apathetic or purposefully ignorant, only to say that the "enemy" of progress (referencing the poster I quoted) is in libraries as much as in the homes and streets of white America.
To which the quote you did of mine was strictly referring to studying students to which I derived from the video.
I dunno, as a college student myself if I'm going to the library it's to get work done, as a CS student I'll be very pissed if a group of people started marching around inside and interrupt my coding session.
But that's just me.
PETA operates the same way. When you're down to emulating PETA tactics then you need to rethink your plans.
Your removing the context of the protests, disruption is absolutely necessary for social change of this magnitude. It was necessary 50 years ago and still is today.
To which the quote you did of mine was strictly referring to studying students to which I derived from the video.
I dunno, as a college student myself if I'm going to the library it's to get work done, as a CS student I'll be very pissed if a group of people started marching around inside and interrupt my coding session.
But that's just me.
I imagine their intent was to piss people off.
The Jackdog
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The enemy is endemic to the American system and yes, that includes apathetic students in libraries purposefully ignoring the plight and protest of black America.
A few minutes of BLM chants isn't going to ruin their college careers.
dude wtf?
maybe they have a final coming up and want to study for that and arent concerned with fixing all of the nations problems right now, fuck them right?
it doesnt mean they dont give a shit. jesus christ
I didn't intent to claim that all the students in the library were apathetic or purposefully ignorant, only to say that the "enemy" of progress (referencing the poster I quoted) is in libraries as much as in the homes and streets of white America.
Let's force our way into people's homes and shout stuff. After all, we can't be sure exactly what they think. Could very well be our enemies.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I'm fairly certain this story is probably trumped up bullshit, a minor though still damnable incident exaggerated to look like an attack on "hardworking white Americans just going about their day" by "those damned uppity black folk who can't control their tempers".
Having said that, I have no doubt that BLM is going to make some mistakes and be assholes, sometimes, because that's just how humans are. To be honest, I don't think the current upsurge in protesting and activism is actually going to lead to very much change, because the problems being argued against are more abstract, and therefore can more easily denied by white America (and, to be fair to white America, too prone to panchrestonic rhetoric and ideological bubbles among activists), than were things like disenfranchisement, segregation, prohibition of interracial relationships, etc.
Having said that, I have no doubt that BLM is going to make some mistakes and be assholes, sometimes, because that's just how humans are. To be honest, I don't think the current upsurge in protesting and activism is actually going to lead to very much change, because the problems being argued against are more abstract, and therefore can more easily denied by white America (and, to be fair to white America, too prone to panchrestonic rhetoric and ideological bubbles among activists), than were things like disenfranchisement, segregation, prohibition of interracial relationships, etc.
Eh, college kids gonna act like college kids. Based off of the video it looked pretty harmless; although I'm sure I would've been pissed off if I was in the library trying to study at the time.
Still, not like it's finals season or anything, so it's ultimately just a minor disruption. Dickish, yeah, but nothing for anyone that's not directly impacted (i.e., people trying to study at the library) should really get up in arms about.
Girl flipping off the camera was kind of cute. Very edgy.
It is tho.
I'm surprised that there wasn't any violence at this--especially if they were getting in people's faces and were chasing people down (which I don't necessarily believe due in part to nobody actually lashing out).
Overall this makes me uncomfortable and not in the way that makes me a bigger supporter of BLM. Just goin' in and harassing a bunch of kids because they look white is... dumb?
A lot of ethnicities can look caucasian at first blush. I'm latino/jewish but I'm also fairly pale at this time of the year. Are they going to be yelling at me about my white privilege, too?
Let's force our way into people's homes and shout stuff. After all, we can't be sure exactly what they think. Could very well be our enemies.
A library protest is a far cry from what you're suggesting. I'd say don't try it, you may get in trouble with the law.
AnathemicOne
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Your removing the context of the protests, disruption is absolutely necessary for social change of this magnitude. It was necessary 50 years ago and still is today.
I imagine their intent was to piss people off.
I'm not well-versed into the BLM movement but pissing people off in very benign settings (like a campus library) doesn't seem like the most prudent decision in my eyes. What's the logical goal here?
FTFY
I didn't intent to claim that all the students in the library were apathetic or purposefully ignorant, only to say that the "enemy" of progress (referencing the poster I quoted) is in libraries as much as in the homes and streets of white America.
But the result is remains the same. Which is more important than intent.
The points here don't seem very clear.
What result remains the same and what or who causes it to remain the same? Given what was discussed here, it's college kids studying in a library. To take that and move to more general terms and avoid getting bogged down on "college kids in a library" and "Black Lives Matter" specifically... we're talking about a random person that gets passed by a protest for any issue. The random person wasn't already participating in that protest. The random person doesn't join said protest upon seeing but continues doing whatever it is they were doing. The random person has no known thoughts on the protest itself or the message or participants.
That person is the "enemy"? That person is causing the results to remain the same?
But you were likening this to what people were doing in their homes. Do you want me to quote your post again?A library protest is a far cry from what you're suggesting. I'd say don't try it, you may get in trouble with the law.
Captin Quacker
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Even with conflicting reports, we still have people saying there doing it wrong
christian colonozation as a way to escape "superstition"...you're right. Dinesh is cray-cray
he certainly seems to struggle with logical consistency
I'm not well-versed into the BLM movement but pissing people off in very benign settings (like a campus library) doesn't seem like the most prudent decision in my eyes. What's the logical goal here?
The goal is disruption of status quo. We are where we are in America today because of the apathetic view most white progressives and people in power have had toward the dire state of Black Lives. A dire state that was carefully cultivated by decades of racist laws, racist lawmakers, and a racist system. Forcing people to be aware of these issues is one goal of these protests.
Is a library the best place for this? Probably not. Is it the end of BLM because they shouted "Black Lives Matter" for a few minutes in a Library? Also probably not.
But you were likening this to what people were doing in their homes. Do you want me to quote your post again?
If that's what you read in my post then I'm sorry.
Poodlestrike
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Yeah, gonna wait for better sources on this one, but... even assuming that all of the details are crap, barging into a library shouting up a storm is kind of a dick move.
Still, I guess that's maybe the point. Provide an unignorable disruption. But on the other hand, the type of disruption is important. The ultimate goal is visiblity, and if that can be achieved without souring people's perception of your message that's ideal too... Hmm.
If the racist stuff in the details are true, that's just a whole 'nother thing, but it's better to wait until we get better sources on that.
Still, I guess that's maybe the point. Provide an unignorable disruption. But on the other hand, the type of disruption is important. The ultimate goal is visiblity, and if that can be achieved without souring people's perception of your message that's ideal too... Hmm.
If the racist stuff in the details are true, that's just a whole 'nother thing, but it's better to wait until we get better sources on that.
Yeah, gonna wait for better sources on this one, but... even assuming that all of the details are crap, barging into a library shouting up a storm is kind of a dick move.
Still, I guess that's maybe the point. Provide an unignorable disruption. But on the other hand, the type of disruption is important. The ultimate goal is visiblity, and if that can be achieved without souring people's perception of your message that's ideal too... Hmm.
I think if people are willing to be soured to the universal message of equality just because a disruption in a library for a few minutes...
Well, they probably weren't fully willing to accept universal equality in the first place.
If that's what you read in my post then I'm sorry.
Just admit that your example was awful.
Napoleonthechimp
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I have no tolerance for anyone that is okay with this shit.Yeah, gonna wait for better sources on this one, but... even assuming that all of the details are crap, barging into a library shouting up a storm is kind of a dick move.
Still, I guess that's maybe the point. Provide an unignorable disruption. But on the other hand, the type of disruption is important. The ultimate goal is visiblity, and if that can be achieved without souring people's perception of your message that's ideal too... Hmm.
If I worked hard to get into a university like that one and some loud mouthed dickhead comes in and starts mouthing off at me like some crazy fucking lunatic then I see it is my right to smack the shit out of them.
outunderthestars
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Even with conflicting reports, we still have people saying there doing it wrong
I think protesting in a library makes zero sense, and only serves to annoy and alienate possible supporters.
Protest in front of police stations, the courthouse, city/state hall etc. Something with an actual connection to their (very valid) cause.
Poodlestrike
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I think if people are willing to be soured to the universal message of equality just because a disruption in a library for a few minutes...
Well, they probably weren't fully willing to accept universal equality in the first place.
I keep hearing this argument, and it's still dumb. Our reactions to tone aren't something anybody has control over. You can agree with the content of a message wholeheartedly and still come off disliking it, and the messengers, because of how it was delivered. Them's the breaks.
Like how it doesn't really matter if you're a genius, funny, kind dude, you show up to a first date in a tracksuit smelling like you haven't showered in 3 weeks and that's that.
Just admit that your example was awful.
I've already said as much, but yes the wording was poor.
Are we friends again?
I keep hearing this argument, and it's still dumb. Our reactions to tone aren't something anybody has control over. You can agree with the content of a message wholeheartedly and still come off disliking it, and the messengers, because of how it was delivered.
I can understand disliking specific messengers but the message itself?
I think protesting in a library makes zero sense, and only serves to annoy and alienate possible supporters.
Protest in front of police stations, the courthouse, city/state hall etc. Something with an actual connection to their (very valid) cause.
students have been protesting in libraries for centuries.
gamechanger87
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Your removing the context of the protests, disruption is absolutely necessary for social change of this magnitude. It was necessary 50 years ago and still is today.
I imagine their intent was to piss people off.
Which is exactly how you get people to not support your cause. I don't think that MLK went around hoping to piss people off, then once they were pissed off they would jump to join in his cause.
Even if people are sympathetic to your cause, pissing them off is the exact opposite way to get them on your side. For example, blocking a bridge into Manhattan doesn't get you thousands of new supporters. It pisses everyone else off.
Whom_Gods_Annoy
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I think if people are willing to be soured to the universal message of equality just because a disruption in a library for a few minutes...
Well, they probably weren't fully willing to accept universal equality in the first place.
If anything from that original article turns out to be in any way true, then they aren't exactly giving off a message of universal equality.
benicillin
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I have some friends at Dartmouth I should probably ask if they heard anything, but considering a quick google only shows a bunch of places reporting on it like the Daily Mail and the Blaze, I'm hesitant to believe it went down as described. Always important to consider the source.
AnathemicOne
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The goal is disruption of status quo. We are where we are in America today because of the apathetic view most white progressives and people in power have had toward the dire state of Black Lives. A dire state that was carefully cultivated by decades of racist laws, racist lawmakers, and a racist system. Forcing people to be aware of these issues is one goal of these protests.
Is a library the best place for this? Probably not. Is it the end of BLM because they shouted "Black Lives Matter" for a few minutes in a Library? Also probably not.
If that's what you read in my post then I'm sorry.
Coolio, yeah I don't believe BLM won't end for disrupting a campus library but I do believe that this will be used as some sort of ammunition against them going purely from what was presented in the video. From that then the logical goal was to end with a net negative in getting students pissed and annoyed? Doesn't make sense.
If anything from that original article turns out to be in any way true, then they aren't exactly giving off a message of universal equality.
I agree, but I'm going on the only proper evidence we have which is the video from the article.
Poodlestrike
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I've already said as much, but yes the wording was poor.
Are we friends again?
I can understand disliking specific messengers but the message itself?
Again, not rational. Ideas don't exist in a mental vacuum; we associate them closely with a ton of external factors, like who presented the idea and how it was presented.
Which is exactly how you get people to not support your cause. I don't think that MLK went around hoping to piss people, then once they were pissed off they would jump to join in his cause.
A lot of people was pissed off by MLK
outunderthestars
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students have been protesting in libraries for centuries.
And it has been dumb for just as long.
Captin Quacker
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Your probably right but status quo is everywhere at every level just because we don't see value in it doesn't mean there isn't anyI think protesting in a library makes zero sense, and only serves to annoy and alienate possible supporters.
Protest in front of police stations, the courthouse, city/state hall etc. Something with an actual connection to their (very valid) cause.
I can understand disliking specific messengers but the message itself?
A common thing I've heard, mostly among my parent's generation, is something like...
"Well, I liked what they were trying to say but I didn't like how they were saying it. So I didn't have anything to do with it."
I don't think that's an uncommon sentiment. While we can bemoan the fact that it's kinda shitty, it doesn't change the reality of it. Pissing someone off is pissing someone off.
Kid Kamikaze10
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A lot of people was pissed off by MLK
About the same thing being discussed here too, ironically.
He even talked about it in the infamous Letters in Birmingham Jail. Sounds like a lot of people in this thread would really dislike what he had to say about white moderates.
Or A LOT of what he had to say before he died.
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