Icyflamez96
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I'd have to watch the series over again to really know what ark I liked the best.
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Dragon Ball Super |OT| 28 Episodes Later
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Cell saga is just the GOAT. Very memorable and is what made me such a huge fan of the series.
Then came the Buu saga which is definitely my least liked saga in DBZ.
Below Perfect Cell.
Then came the Buu saga which is definitely my least liked saga in DBZ.
Below Perfect Cell.
Probably just below that and in the upper third of the cast power wise. If there were a list it would probably be something like
Goku
Vegeta
Buu
Gohan
Piccolo
Trunks
Goten
Turtle
Yamcha
Imperfect Cell level, I believe. He didn't get a chance to do anything outside of strategy in the Buu sagas. He was basically the brains.
Too bad he was a filthy android and doesn't get revival or an afterlife.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I did it recently, everything is good until Trunks comes along then everyone gets stupider than normal
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Cell saga got me into DBZ.
I had watched Saiyan/Freeza on and off with my friends, but then I noticed promo material of another Super Saiyan (with a sword) and got instantly interested. Cell saga has its problems, but it's an extremely well rounded and well told story arc overall. Dr. Gero is kind of hamfisted in there, but the callback to Red Ribbon was really cool. The idea of fighting against fate is one of my favorites (See: Chrono Trigger, Lavos). Vegeta and Bulma's son being a super polite awesome warrior from the future was also totally unexpected on so many different levels, but totally awesome.
The second form Cell bits are where it suffers, IMO. Vegeta being a huge asshole and Trunks making a fool of himself is all that really happens, although Tien had a brief moment of glory. First form Cell was the most unique and creepy villain in the series, almost giving off a horror vibe, and Perfect Cell had the honor of fighting Gohan in his first real battle of the series, finally fulflling all of those potential hints that were dropped since he first appeared (and making quite a spectacle of it in the process)
The Androids themselves get underrated quite a bit, too. Vegeta's humbling defeat against 18 was fun to see as Vegeta was being a completely arrogant bastard up until that point, and it really drove home how powerful the Androids were. Piccolo vs. 17 is legit one of the best battles in the series. No power up nonsense, at least during the fight - just straight up battle tactics and awesome moves.
Alright, I'll stop.
I'll watch this just to answer all of my questions.
The next time I post in here I'll be caught up.
it won't be the type of timeskip you're expecting
Main issue with the Cell saga is that a lot of people had to act incredibly dumb for the events to fold as they did.
Like Vegeta letting Cell turn Perfect. Or Goku giving Cell a Senzu bean.
Then again it's par for the course... Goku did let Frieza power up to max while the whole planet was about to blow up LOL!
Like Vegeta letting Cell turn Perfect. Or Goku giving Cell a Senzu bean.
Then again it's par for the course... Goku did let Frieza power up to max while the whole planet was about to blow up LOL!
Goku is pretty dumb and a bad father, he basically is uneducated and has brain damage. Ive been watching the Japanese version of Z for the first time lately and while Kai in english did a better job portraying him like an idiot, hes a super dumb ass in the Japanese version. Par for the course lol. All he cares about is fighting people as strong as he can lol.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
No but like in the Cell arc everyone was an idiot. Which is why it blows
Its been since toonami that I've seen it so I'm a bit rusty on that arc right now, going through Kai again I stopped at that arc for some reason. But that sounds about right. lol.
Nintendoga
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Piccolo vs 17 was ok, but it ain't even in the top 5 fights. Gimmie Goku vs Cell or Vegeta vs 18 over that one any day.
Goku giving Cell a senzu was dumb, but Vegeta letting Cell turn Perfect was in character. Bro just became a super sayain and his ego got the biggest beatdown of his life by 18. After the Hyperbolic Time Chamber he was feeling invincible. Semi-Perfect Cell couldn't even touch him. What was absorbing one more "weak" android gonna do for him? Vegeta let his ego get the best of him and he paid the price.
Goku giving Cell a senzu was dumb, but Vegeta letting Cell turn Perfect was in character. Bro just became a super sayain and his ego got the biggest beatdown of his life by 18. After the Hyperbolic Time Chamber he was feeling invincible. Semi-Perfect Cell couldn't even touch him. What was absorbing one more "weak" android gonna do for him? Vegeta let his ego get the best of him and he paid the price.
The vast majority of arcs in DB are separated by timeskips
The Silver
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I'm glad in RoF that Goku's bullshit finally caught up to him, dude was so overconfident he let himself get taken out by some scrub with a laser.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Hell, in Super we had a skip of 3 months between Episode 14 and 16, and then another 6 between 16 and 17, an indeterminate amount of time passes between 18 and 19 and we are about to get another 4 month skip.
If the series goes past the Universe 6 arc I would not be surprised if it jumps to after the End of Z honestly.
NeonZ
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It's just cool to see someone who continues training and putting his life on the line in spite of not getting handled free power ups, unlike everyone else in the same situation, who just gave up. It's a shame though that him being underpowered forces him to go with Kikoho spam all the time, so we don't get stuff like the multiple arms or copies, since stuff like that wouldn't even be able to scratch whoever he's facing. Maybe Super at least will remember to add those techniques for the grunt battle, unlike the movie?
It's just too bad his girlfriend died in a bar and wasn't wished back because Toriyama Forgot™.
...I wish Lunch was still a character.
I hope you're right, but I kind of doubt it. Where can they even go after exploring different universes? To me it sounds like that arc was the main idea behind the series, and I wouldn't be surprised if they ended it after that.
NeonZ
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Well, they're only exploring one other universe right now, and it's a "twin" universe. After that they could go to a completely different one.
The cell/android saga was definitely the best arc from the minute future trunks arrived until cell's defeat. Very rarely was I ever invested from beginning to end, but I thought the events unfolded quite nicely. I also like that almost every important character had awesome moments.
Host Samurai
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My issue with the Cell saga is the damn Cell Games. That ruined it for me. Couldn't stand that plot device. From Trunks arrival till Cell becomes perfect was great, but the entire concept of Cell kinda irks me.
Also Dr Gero was very underutilized. A creepy old man that kidnaps teenagers should have gotten more screen time and should have been a bigger threat. He's the real villian of the saga.
Also Dr Gero was very underutilized. A creepy old man that kidnaps teenagers should have gotten more screen time and should have been a bigger threat. He's the real villian of the saga.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
They should have put a Dr. Gero cameo in the 1996 movie "Dragon Ball: Path to Power", which retells the Red Ribbon Saga with GT artstyle. It would have been a nice touch.
It totally would.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Of course he kikoho spams. Goku showed him how useless all his other attacks were.
Maybe he should have kept his volleyball attack
Wait, what. Launch is seen at the end of the Buu saga and again in Son Goku and Friends Return
That's anime-only, and Super taking place 6 months after Buu kinda erases Goku & Friends Return (actually, that explains why Tarble wasn't mentioned) as proper continuity.
She was legit forgotten in the manga.
Toryama forgot that he forgot, then in Super he forgot again.
Sure, but she didn't die is what I meant. You could also make a case that Toriyama has worked on an endorsed both Super and the new movies, effectively creating two distinct but equally valid canons.
DBZ -> Super Manga/Anime
DBZ -> Goku & Friends -> BoG -> RoF
It was a joke.
Ultra Numb
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Had some of the coolest music in the series as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orh9MvEN9Ac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxPcXCqcKj0
OldAsUrSock
Banned
He has to be close to that power, but its hard to tell with the huge jump of power levels in the Buu and now Battle of the Gods Sagas.
Seven Force
Banned
Yep, definitely my favorite fight in Z. I like how unlike a lot of other fights where things get drawn out for the hell of it, Piccolo (unsuccessfully) tries ending things pretty early on with quite a few finishing attacks.
NeonZ
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He showed that just by being stronger than him though. Goku matched his multiple arms by moving his arms so fast he could keep up with Tenshinhan's extra arms, and he took no damage from the Volleyball attack. Then in the 23rd Budokai, when the distance between them had grown thanks to Goku getting that sacred water years earlier, and Tenshinhan used the split form attack, he had no way to know that Goku could now sense ki and immediately find its weakness, but he actually did get one hit on him before he figured it out.
Lol it's all good.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Gotta admit, I laughed at Goku's reaction when piccolo says to him that gohan is going to lose because he doesn't have the thirst for battle, and that gohan is wondering why his father isn't helping him.
Tizoc
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Cell saga got me into DBZ.
I had watched Saiyan/Freeza on and off with my friends, but then I noticed promo material of another Super Saiyan (with a sword) and got instantly interested. Cell saga has its problems, but it's an extremely well rounded and well told story arc overall. Dr. Gero is kind of hamfisted in there, but the callback to Red Ribbon was really cool. The idea of fighting against fate is one of my favorites (See: Chrono Trigger, Lavos). Vegeta and Bulma's son being a super polite awesome warrior from the future was also totally unexpected on so many different levels, but totally awesome.
The second form Cell bits are where it suffers, IMO. Vegeta being a huge asshole and Trunks making a fool of himself is all that really happens, although Tien had a brief moment of glory. First form Cell was the most unique and creepy villain in the series, almost giving off a horror vibe, and Perfect Cell had the honor of fighting Gohan in his first real battle of the series, finally fulflling all of those potential hints that were dropped since he first appeared (and making quite a spectacle of it in the process)
The Androids themselves get underrated quite a bit, too. Vegeta's humbling defeat against 18 was fun to see as Vegeta was being a completely arrogant bastard up until that point, and it really drove home how powerful the Androids were. Piccolo vs. 17 is legit one of the best battles in the series. No power up nonsense, at least during the fight - just straight up battle tactics and awesome moves.
Yeah 17 vs. Piccolo is well regarded by the fandom
Gotta appreciate TFS doing it justice
http://teamfourstar.com/video/dragonball-z-abridged-episode-46-percussive-maintenance/
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I remember Piccolo vs 17 because in the ocean dub, Scott McNeil's Piccolo powers up with a power metal screech.
Piccolo is basically Gohan's dad at this point anyway.
All this talk makes me want to watch the Android/Cell saga again ;-;.
Shouta
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No. Piccolo can get stronger with training as well but his massive boosts have come when he combines with another Namekian. Those are exponential, kind of like the various fusions that were done during the Buu arc. His biggest problem is just like every non-Saiyan character in the show, he doesn't have access to temp forms that increases his power for a battle. Damn Super Saiyan and its modes.
That said, Piccolo is probably the strongest Z-Fighter in base form aside from Buu up until Battle of Gods. I mean, this was true during Cell and the Androids. Super Saiyan is a multiplier so their base form is weaker overall. Piccolo, who doesn't have a form that multiplies his strength, went toe to toe with 17 who was stronger than the Super Saiyans prior to training. Though, there's probably some bullshit conceptual material out there that says otherwise, lol.
That's how Scott McNeil powers up in every role.
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