ShockingAlberto
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Other side of what, exactly
Play-Asia says SJWs to blame for DOAX3 not coming west
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Other side of what, exactly
Too true. At first it was amusing and then it became old fast.
They also probably don't realize they're being suckered either since Play-Asia is more expensive than places like AmiAmi.
Augemitbutter
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this is basically impossible. DOA is one of their most popular brands. they release niche games all the time in the west like Nobunaga's Ambition. they also don't shy away from doing english sub. only releases.
you won't find asia releases on amiami.
aspiegamer
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No. No one is even being "rustled", because there is no movement to squelch the proliferation of this game. Seriously. Like, none. No one is trying to deny this game's right to exist. There is nothing to actually discuss.
"ITT" is people who are paranoid that the game will be taken from them drumming up a fake controversy, and in this case Play-Asia the pandering to these fools to try to increase sales. Reality of the situation be damned!
Yup. It's 100% fake, but people will roll with it anyway since it fits their narrative of evil random people on the internet trying to take their games away via some underhanded means that no one has ever been able to explain or prove the existence of.
A thing that's not happening. There's no sides to an event that's not even occurring.
Finalantagonist
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I've definitely already said that I understand there are certain situations that make you a "dickwad" (although the other term used was "jackass") and I think you're picking parts of my argument you don't agree with and ignoring the rest.
I don't know what this Huniepot dev is, but KoeiTecmo is scumbag? what the fuck? Am I missing something?
Yabberwocky
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I was just checking my email, and, of course, at the top was a product update email from Play-Asia. Whoever does their send outs should handle their twitter account, it was a lot more tactful. 'It's also worth mentioning that Dead Or Alive Xtreme 3 is a Japanese/Asian exclusive, and that it's also region free. '
...woah, that's a lot of editions. KT might be giving Ubisoft a run for its money.
...woah, that's a lot of editions. KT might be giving Ubisoft a run for its money.
Fixed for accuracy, IMO...
Tinfoilhatsron
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Thank you. It's like that Atheist meme hijacked by...
I guess non-Atheists?
Yes it does. I mean, I prefer to call them ignorant jackass fools. They certainly need a name. If only to laugh at their attempts to get mad at marijuana legalization not fiiting exactly their regulations. Haha.
Personally I like igno-sarus. Heh.
And conservatives, am I right?
Acquiescence
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So you think this is all just some ruse then?
Nope. Honest question/opinion.
I don't believe you.
But to answer your question: common sense and empathy decide.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I certainly know exactly who to blame for Christie and Lisa being relegated to the DLC bin, and that's the dang fans themselves
I don't understand why you are acting like trigger warnings are a threat to free speech then. It's a courtesy people use who are sympathetic to other's problems, no one is forcing you to do anything.
So you think there was no common sense back in 1980's when Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor were offending homosexuals and not putting trigger warning for them?
The entire thing we're arguing about is a game not being on sale in the West because of different standards between Japan and here. Which is not censorship, it's a business decision, made because the people in charge looked at both market trends and current societal standards, and saw these games as being more trouble than they're worth.
It's all I'm arguing, admittedly through the absurd example of Rapelay, which has the benefit of being unarguably evil and not appropriate for sale.
Your characterization of the DOAX series as innocuous is another argument altogether, one I disagree with vehemently, but which we can talk about another day, because the topic here really is Play-Asia throwing in their lot with a hate group to sell some video game boobs.
Eh? Very few if any people in this thread have been like that. A couple of people have maybe said something like "and nothing of importance was lost" to the information about DOAX3 not being brought over, but that's just their sentiment over the game and its fate, not them wanting to prevent everyone from playing the game.
Finalantagonist
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That I'd rather not talk about? Sure. We all do. I, for one, am Jewish and hear Jewish jokes all the time. My grandmother escaped the Holocaust. That doesn't mean no one should make Holocaust jokes. It may offend me sometimes, but that doesn't mean they HAVE to change what they say. I think it's more effective that I just learn to deal with the jokes better. And I have. I roll with them.
A bit more personal, but my dad died a very traumatic death for me. My friends occasionally made jokes about it after it happened. Some of them were very offensive, but I know them and they did to make light of the situation to help me cope with it. And it eventually did just that. Knowing my dad, I think he would've found the jokes funny anyway even if I didn't at the time.
Palculator
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And thus irrelevant to a game that's not.
2 people in the last few pages did exactly that tho.
So you don't understand trigger warnings either?
Finalantagonist
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I think you and I are considering different examples. I can understand if you do it as a courtesy in certain situations.
I've only read the first 5 pages of so, but those of you saying that they don't release this "because the market is too small" are wrong, very wrong. This is the same company that has released retail versions in the West of stuff like Nobunaga's Ambition and even two SKUs of Deception IV (and the OT for this game in this very same forum is like 3 pages long, which can tell you how big its public is).
It's not like KT is afraid of releasing games that sell 5k units of even less. Quite on the contrary.
It's not like KT is afraid of releasing games that sell 5k units of even less. Quite on the contrary.
I would argue it is. DOAX3, if previous games in the series are any indication, is garbage for idiots, bad as games and as cultural items depicting women. They're terrible, and people defending them likely aren't any better.
This makes me sad. It feels like you're just letting people walk all over you and your resolve for that is "free speech and thick skin", despite the fact that it obviously effects you enough to remember it.
You know, we could also live in a world where people don't make Jewish jokes or make jokes about your father's death. Why does it have to go their way?
Boo.
Ah well though. There's also Yesasia and I know they do sell asia releases. I think they're the same prices though.
Also why are their so many different limited editions?!
Jack Videogames
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Asking the real questions here: what's the food in the pic? Looks yummy
Sorry if it was answered during the thread, couldn't find it
Sorry if it was answered during the thread, couldn't find it
Palculator
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lol
Well, you're proving the point some of us are making.
I'm real tired of people using 'free speech' and 'honesty' to excuse asshat behaviour. Being considerate for other people is not trampling your human rights, it's basic human decency.
Everyone is so bent on their rights that they forget freedoms come with responsibilities. Yeah, you do have the right to be a jerk but sooner or later it's going to have concequences. It's going to affect how other people relate to you and it's going to affect other people's feelings. Thoughtless words can cut deep. For a suicidal person it can be the final straw. You can't shift the blame on the listener. It's not a question of people choosing to be offended, it's about feelings that can be devastating and something one can't help. Telling others to 'grow a thicker skin' so that you can keep on saying whatever is just BS.
Everyone is so bent on their rights that they forget freedoms come with responsibilities. Yeah, you do have the right to be a jerk but sooner or later it's going to have concequences. It's going to affect how other people relate to you and it's going to affect other people's feelings. Thoughtless words can cut deep. For a suicidal person it can be the final straw. You can't shift the blame on the listener. It's not a question of people choosing to be offended, it's about feelings that can be devastating and something one can't help. Telling others to 'grow a thicker skin' so that you can keep on saying whatever is just BS.
Finalantagonist
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That's a broad view. I don't think everyone agrees on what being "empathetic" means. For example, some people think using the human specific pronouns in everyday conversation is lacking empathy for "otherkin". I don't.
Augemitbutter
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that's how they finance these games. expensive merchandise and expensive dlc. some people will buy multiple LEs.
What the fuck? Is this serious post?
Apparently it's "dried sour plums."
Damn dude, no lie, that's kinda fucked up re: jokes about your dad. Sorry you had to deal with that, even if you think they were helpful.
Anyways, the way I ultimately see it is like this:
In an imaginary world, I run a blog where I post short fiction stories. Most of them are lighthearted adventure stories, but one of them is really fucked up and dark, so I throw a warning for..let's say violence and abuse, and then the story is posted like normal. No editing, no self-censoring, just a warning.
That's all it is, and I don't HAVE to do it. I'm sure there are a million things people could pick at my other (imaginary) stories about and say "ugh your character ate a salad, I almost choked on a salad once!!!", but knowing that violence and abuse are much more likely to be trigger someone somewhere, I just put the little warning on there out of courtesy.
Idk why I wrote so much, and I don't think it'll change you, but I hope you can at least understand why people care about it.
Edit: also the racist shit is a whole 'nother discussion lol
Which is quite funny, because I know plenty of women that enjoy DOAX. Even more so than guys. Which I have heard reinforced a lot as well.
ShockingAlberto
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I think the actual answer is this:
1) Yes, they were afraid the backlash wouldn't be worth it. It has been obvious they are embarrassed of what DOA has become since DOA5 tried to rebrand the series, failed miserably, and they made hot bank on appealing to the audience that wants ass & titties. They're a company, this makes money, they're going to pursue this where it makes sense to do so, and it doesn't make sense to do so in America because it is culturally different.
2) They wouldn't care about the first one if it was going to do well. It's not. It'd sell fucking terribly and probably will sell fucking terribly when it comes out. The PS4 audience isn't the otaku audience here and the Vita audience isn't big enough to care about. You know what the main driver behind this decision is? It's not DOAX3 itself, it's probably Toukiden, which they openly admit greatly disappointed them. They have assumed before that the Vita and PS4 audiences overlap in the west, and this is very much a Vita audience game, and that assumption has burned them.
They're concerned about 1, but they wouldn't care if it would sell well. They have outright said as much. They would bring it over if there was demand, there is no demand, so they're not bringing it over.
Which brings me to what I think is happening now, 3) they're just making excuses. This clears them of any anger, it clears them from having to make a print run from a game that stores won't want to buy, that will distract from their DLC money makers of DOA5 and Core Fighters, and will be an annoying albatross around their neck when they decide to bring out DOA6. They're also not ignorant of how the eSports scene views DOA and how they outright ban costumes and can't get the game to EVO because it's just Anime Titties: The Fighter to most people. The DOA5 in-game ticker mentions every weekly tournament in someone's boys and girls club rumpus room, so they're fully aware that this strategy is not doing them favors in America. The guy at Koei Tecmo said what would quickly solve his problem, realized this does way more harm than good, and quickly deleted it.
They're trying to cover their own asses, Play-Asia took advantage of it, and now it has become a shitstorm.
...really? You actually believe this?
I honestly don't know.
Afwul feedback from their PC ports doesn't stop Tecmo from releasing games on steam.
Complaints about DOA's fanservice doesn't stop them from releasing more,
They've already released 2 of those volleyball games in the west without much fuss happening.
Tecmo just doesn't strike me as a company that wouldn't release a game in the west because a bunch of people are vocal about finding their games distateful. "SJW"'s being Tecmos primary concern about releasing the game seems a bit far fetched.
Now whether Play Asia are clever marketers, believe what they are saying or whatever is going on i have no clue.
Jep, and mostly because aside from the game starring women in bikini's the game's presentation and mechanics wasn't really all that guy focused.
NinjamicWZ
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All I know is that this probable surge in demand from johnny come lately better not result in a shortage, where some pre-orders don't get filled... namely mine.
But I do hope this sells a good amount and that raised awareness of Asia-English physical releases leads to a more key Vita imports getting English versions for me to collect. Ones that might not happen otherwise, especially now that the system is basically dead in the west with years still ahead of it in Japan.
But I do hope this sells a good amount and that raised awareness of Asia-English physical releases leads to a more key Vita imports getting English versions for me to collect. Ones that might not happen otherwise, especially now that the system is basically dead in the west with years still ahead of it in Japan.
Khilandros
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lol, wow...and then there was this
Finalantagonist
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Because I don't want to live in that world. TRUTHFULLY. That sounds horrifying. I want everyone to be able to make jokes about whatever they want even if it offends ME. Making a joke about something and truly hating something are two very different things. Context is key.
And you're making a couple assumptions about me. That's ok, but I will tell you that those assumptions are incorrect. I'm not letting people walk all over me. If something upsets me or offends me, I have no qualms telling them. My point is that they shouldn't have to change their behavior and I would be horrified if the rest of the world stopped telling jokes about certain things just because it offended me at one point.
Too bad the reality isn't so accommodating to someone like me. I mean I'm a disabled and asian but there's so much only one man can do because people can sometimes be accidentally offensive.
Yeah, I wish there was a AAA game in the style of DOOM/Dead space with sexy female lead instead of sexy bulky manmeat. If only to understand Konami.
As far as games go, it's an art form, and having art that caters to whoever is not a bad thing.
I'm sure you don't go around burning paintings because they feature nips and dicks from the 1800s so why do that with games?
Nobody is burning anything here.
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